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MouthWash
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11/15/2012 8:05:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
William Shakespeare.

He is the single most overrated human who ever existed. All he did was make up a bunch of words because his audience was illiterate (which then became common phrases, hence he "invented" them) and he took his plot and tragedy elements from old stories. Please tell me- why do people still worship this cretin?
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11/15/2012 8:14:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I heard there was a joke?
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11/15/2012 8:32:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/15/2012 8:14:37 PM, phantom wrote:
I heard there was a joke?

I didn't say it would be funny.
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11/15/2012 9:05:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Nobody in society values the opinion of a high school dropout.
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11/15/2012 9:06:35 PM
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At 11/15/2012 9:05:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Nobody in society values the opinion of a high school dropout.

Q: Is that mean or true?

A: It's both.
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11/15/2012 9:49:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/15/2012 9:05:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Nobody in society values the opinion of a high school dropout.

Too bad for me, I guess. I'm still right.
"Well, that gives whole new meaning to my assassination. If I was going to die anyway, perhaps I should leave the Bolsheviks' descendants some Christmas cookies instead of breaking their dishes and vodka bottles in their sleep." -Tsar Nicholas II (YYW)
ConservativePolitico
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11/15/2012 11:35:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/15/2012 9:49:53 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 11/15/2012 9:05:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Nobody in society values the opinion of a high school dropout.

Too bad for me, I guess. I'm still right.

No you're wrong.

Shakespeare had a way with words. Iambic pentameter is not something easy to achieve. Ever tried writing in it? Ever tried writing entire works in it? His comedy was hilarious. His poems moving. His adaptations thrilling and powerful.

Read Julius Caesar. I'd love to see you "make up" and "adapt" a compelling play as powerful as Shakespeare's.

Tell me the emotions and struggles of Hamlet are just sub-par.

Your thoughts about Shakespeare only begets your ignorance on the subject. You probably can't even read him correctly. You have to get immersed in the language. The characters are so vibrant and real. It's amazing.

You seriously look like an idiot for saying what you said.
MouthWash
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11/16/2012 8:57:32 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/15/2012 11:35:12 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 11/15/2012 9:49:53 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 11/15/2012 9:05:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Nobody in society values the opinion of a high school dropout.

Too bad for me, I guess. I'm still right.

No you're wrong.

Shakespeare had a way with words. Iambic pentameter is not something easy to achieve. Ever tried writing in it? Ever tried writing entire works in it? His comedy was hilarious. His poems moving. His adaptations thrilling and powerful.

Read Julius Caesar. I'd love to see you "make up" and "adapt" a compelling play as powerful as Shakespeare's.

Tell me the emotions and struggles of Hamlet are just sub-par.

Your thoughts about Shakespeare only begets your ignorance on the subject. You probably can't even read him correctly. You have to get immersed in the language. The characters are so vibrant and real. It's amazing.

You seriously look like an idiot for saying what you said.

I really wish I knew Shakespearean English so that I could have an appropriate comeback to this. Forsooth! (or whatever; I'm just trolling. But he still gets too much credit.)
"Well, that gives whole new meaning to my assassination. If I was going to die anyway, perhaps I should leave the Bolsheviks' descendants some Christmas cookies instead of breaking their dishes and vodka bottles in their sleep." -Tsar Nicholas II (YYW)
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11/16/2012 9:14:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/15/2012 9:05:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Nobody in society values the opinion of a high school dropout.

LOL, that's so mean.
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11/16/2012 9:21:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Yeah, but we're talking about a "society" that idolizes Shakespeare, so right there we get a hint of what we're dealing with.
"Well, that gives whole new meaning to my assassination. If I was going to die anyway, perhaps I should leave the Bolsheviks' descendants some Christmas cookies instead of breaking their dishes and vodka bottles in their sleep." -Tsar Nicholas II (YYW)
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11/16/2012 9:24:18 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/15/2012 9:05:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Nobody in society values the opinion of a high school dropout.

Albert Einstein, Henry Ford, Walt Disney, John Rockefeller.
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11/16/2012 9:37:45 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/16/2012 9:24:18 AM, Ren wrote:
At 11/15/2012 9:05:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Nobody in society values the opinion of a high school dropout.

Albert Einstein, Henry Ford, Walt Disney, John Rockefeller.

Disney???
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11/16/2012 9:44:37 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/16/2012 9:37:45 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 11/16/2012 9:24:18 AM, Ren wrote:
At 11/15/2012 9:05:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Nobody in society values the opinion of a high school dropout.

Albert Einstein, Henry Ford, Walt Disney, John Rockefeller.

Disney???

Not any more. in the 1900's a , today's high school's drop out would be well off.
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11/16/2012 10:19:29 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/15/2012 9:05:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Nobody in society values the opinion of a high school dropout.

Really?

For your information, William Skakespeare dropped out of school when he was 14.
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11/16/2012 12:19:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/16/2012 10:19:29 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 11/15/2012 9:05:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Nobody in society values the opinion of a high school dropout.

Really?

For your information, William Skakespeare dropped out of school when he was 14.

1400 AD century High School = College Today.
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11/16/2012 12:59:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/16/2012 9:24:18 AM, Ren wrote:
At 11/15/2012 9:05:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Nobody in society values the opinion of a high school dropout.

Albert Einstein, Henry Ford, Walt Disney, John Rockefeller.

Lol, that was win.
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11/16/2012 1:02:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/15/2012 11:35:12 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 11/15/2012 9:49:53 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 11/15/2012 9:05:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Nobody in society values the opinion of a high school dropout.

Too bad for me, I guess. I'm still right.

No you're wrong.

Shakespeare had a way with words. Iambic pentameter is not something easy to achieve. Ever tried writing in it? Ever tried writing entire works in it? His comedy was hilarious. His poems moving. His adaptations thrilling and powerful.

Read Julius Caesar. I'd love to see you "make up" and "adapt" a compelling play as powerful as Shakespeare's.

Tell me the emotions and struggles of Hamlet are just sub-par.

Your thoughts about Shakespeare only begets your ignorance on the subject. You probably can't even read him correctly. You have to get immersed in the language. The characters are so vibrant and real. It's amazing.

You seriously look like an idiot for saying what you said.

This, and their sense of humor was also different back then. Read a copy of TwelfthNight (one of his comedies) with the notes on the sides and you'll really see he had a brilliant wit even if it takes the notes for you to understand it.
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11/16/2012 1:05:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/15/2012 9:05:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Nobody in society values the opinion of a high school dropout.

I do!

Then again, nobody values me, either.

Oh, well. Carry on.
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11/16/2012 2:42:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/16/2012 12:19:52 PM, MilitaryAtheist wrote:
At 11/16/2012 10:19:29 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 11/15/2012 9:05:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Nobody in society values the opinion of a high school dropout.

Really?

For your information, William Skakespeare dropped out of school when he was 14.

1400 AD century High School = College Today.
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11/16/2012 5:02:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/16/2012 10:19:29 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 11/15/2012 9:05:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Nobody in society values the opinion of a high school dropout.

Really?

For your information, William Skakespeare dropped out of school when he was 14.

The fact that he was educated until age 14 is impressive for the time period, very impressive.

Come on people, use a little historical perspective.
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11/16/2012 6:00:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/15/2012 11:35:12 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:

No you're wrong.

Shakespeare had a way with words. Iambic pentameter is not something easy to achieve. Ever tried writing in it? Ever tried writing entire works in it? His comedy was hilarious. His poems moving. His adaptations thrilling and powerful.

Read Julius Caesar. I'd love to see you "make up" and "adapt" a compelling play as powerful as Shakespeare's.

Tell me the emotions and struggles of Hamlet are just sub-par.

Your thoughts about Shakespeare only begets your ignorance on the subject. You probably can't even read him correctly. You have to get immersed in the language. The characters are so vibrant and real. It's amazing.

You seriously look like an idiot for saying what you said.

I agree with the OP. Most of Shakespeare's plays are overrated and involve people making up things he probably never intended. Romeo and Juliet is a joke. Othello is awful. Hamlet is the worst of all. Twelfth Night was the only good one.

Shakespeare's sonnets are the best thing about him. Other than that...
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11/16/2012 6:04:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/16/2012 6:00:28 PM, tulle wrote:
At 11/15/2012 11:35:12 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:

No you're wrong.

Shakespeare had a way with words. Iambic pentameter is not something easy to achieve. Ever tried writing in it? Ever tried writing entire works in it? His comedy was hilarious. His poems moving. His adaptations thrilling and powerful.

Read Julius Caesar. I'd love to see you "make up" and "adapt" a compelling play as powerful as Shakespeare's.

Tell me the emotions and struggles of Hamlet are just sub-par.

Your thoughts about Shakespeare only begets your ignorance on the subject. You probably can't even read him correctly. You have to get immersed in the language. The characters are so vibrant and real. It's amazing.

You seriously look like an idiot for saying what you said.

I agree with the OP. Most of Shakespeare's plays are overrated and involve people making up things he probably never intended. Romeo and Juliet is a joke. Othello is awful. Hamlet is the worst of all. Twelfth Night was the only good one.

Shakespeare's sonnets are the best thing about him. Other than that...

BULLSH!T!!!!
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11/16/2012 6:42:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/16/2012 12:19:52 PM, MilitaryAtheist wrote:
At 11/16/2012 10:19:29 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 11/15/2012 9:05:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Nobody in society values the opinion of a high school dropout.

Really?

For your information, William Shakespeare dropped out of school when he was 14.

1400 AD century High School = College Today.

Nope, that just isn't true, in Elizabethan England boys generally attended "grammar" school till they graduated at around the age of 14 or 15, and then attended University after that. Shakespeare dropped out of school before graduating and couldn't continue his education at University because of his father's financial problems.

I'm not saying I appreciate Shakespeare or anything, reading it makes me want to kill myself, but it is a fact that he was the Elizabethan England equivalent of a high school drop out.
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11/16/2012 6:47:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/16/2012 6:41:09 PM, tulle wrote:
Dark, he just talked and talked and talked. Even when he was dying it was like WHY ARE YOU DEAD ALREADY STFU :p

A story about murder and betrayl is pretty awesome. I thought Hamlet was pretty bad@ss. But I was 16 when I read it so who knows what I'd think about it if I read it today.
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11/19/2012 8:44:18 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I enjoyed A Midsummer Night's Dream and The Sonnets, most notably.

I thought Shakespeare was a pretty great writer. There are few with such a skilled pen and easily distinguishable voice.

Though, I do have to impress that most Elizabethan drama and literature sounded akin. There were a lot of musical undertones and characteristics native to that period in drama. This was likely because all writing was most often performed -- the majority of everyone weren't literate.

Which leads me to my next point -- what is all this about people being more educated than they are now?? That's silliness; up until the Victorian age, only the upper class was literate. For us, that's essentially $500k +. Anyone making less didn't get an education. There were far, far less people on the planet back then, and the illiterate population was still a significantly larger proportion of the overall population than it is today.

So, consider this: the majority of those who loved Shakespeare's plays enough to love and immortalize them only heard them, and still understood them, because they were illiterate and thus, couldn't read them.
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11/19/2012 8:59:37 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/16/2012 6:00:28 PM, tulle wrote:
At 11/15/2012 11:35:12 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:

No you're wrong.

Shakespeare had a way with words. Iambic pentameter is not something easy to achieve. Ever tried writing in it? Ever tried writing entire works in it? His comedy was hilarious. His poems moving. His adaptations thrilling and powerful.

Read Julius Caesar. I'd love to see you "make up" and "adapt" a compelling play as powerful as Shakespeare's.

Tell me the emotions and struggles of Hamlet are just sub-par.

Your thoughts about Shakespeare only begets your ignorance on the subject. You probably can't even read him correctly. You have to get immersed in the language. The characters are so vibrant and real. It's amazing.

You seriously look like an idiot for saying what you said.

I agree with the OP. Most of Shakespeare's plays are overrated and involve people making up things he probably never intended. Romeo and Juliet is a joke. Othello is awful. Hamlet is the worst of all. Twelfth Night was the only good one.

Shakespeare's sonnets are the best thing about him. Other than that...

fuuuuuuuk that! Shakespeare was great! Romeo and Julet was great, Hamlet was perfect, and Julius Caesar and Macbeth were the best!
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