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dylancatlow
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2/22/2013 7:23:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I have recently completed a study (more like an investigation) into how one's beliefs play into who they vote for on DDO.

The question: How strongly does which party one agrees with before reading the debate (as stated on the vote itself) affect who one votes for?

Answer: overwhelmingly

Methodology: I did not choose debates randomly for vote analysis. Debates had to have a resolution that I deemed to be important enough for people to likely have an opinion prior to reading the debate. The debates also had to have someone mixed votes, with no side having more than 75% of the total votes (below a 6 point difference this didn't apply). I included all of the votes in a debate (up to two pages of votes). Please note that only votes where people indicated who they agreed with prior to reading the debate were counted. I did not record the exact number of debates, but it was more than 30.

Important: a vote was considered "pro" or "con" for whichever side was given more points. Votes without points were not counted.

The results
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Agreed with Pro (prior) and voted for Pro : 100
Agreed with Pro (prior) and voted for Con: 20
80.33% of people who agreed with pro voted for pro
51.2% of total votes counted were for pro
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Agreed with Con (prior) and voted for Con: 98
Agreed with Con (prior) and voted for pro : 24
80.32% of people who agreed with con voted for con
48.8% of total votes counted were for con
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2/23/2013 3:01:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
This is proof that DDO capitalism doesn't work and the DDO government must chose what debate is best. Long live the internet communist revolution!
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2/23/2013 10:59:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Those interesting results demonstrate profound confirmation bias. Do you have an excel sheet with all of the data values available?
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2/24/2013 5:52:10 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
They could simply be selectively voting on debates which they genuinely think the party they disagree with lost. At least, that's my policy with certain members of this site.
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2/24/2013 7:19:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Your methodology is flawed in several ways, one of which being that you're only analyzing where people stated explicitly who they already agreed with. I usually don't, and most voters don't, state that outright when they're giving an RFD.
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2/24/2013 8:45:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/24/2013 7:19:25 PM, Noumena wrote:
Your methodology is flawed in several ways, one of which being that you're only analyzing where people stated explicitly who they already agreed with. I usually don't, and most voters don't, state that outright when they're giving an RFD.

It's flawed if it's being used as if it were an exhaustive study. I know that people with staunch convictions are more likely to indicate their position rather than those who are on-the-fence, and thus more likely to vote for the position that reflects that conviction, but I don't think the study is inaccurate in its conclusion i.e., people vote how they believe.
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2/24/2013 9:05:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
It's not that beliefs influence votes. It's that votes influence beliefs.
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2/24/2013 9:42:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/24/2013 9:05:29 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
It's not that beliefs influence votes. It's that votes influence beliefs.

Hogwash.
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2/24/2013 9:48:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/24/2013 7:19:25 PM, Noumena wrote:
Your methodology is flawed in several ways, one of which being that you're only analyzing where people stated explicitly who they already agreed with. I usually don't, and most voters don't, state that outright when they're giving an RFD.
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2/24/2013 10:02:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/24/2013 9:48:31 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 2/24/2013 7:19:25 PM, Noumena wrote:
Your methodology is flawed in several ways, one of which being that you're only analyzing where people stated explicitly who they already agreed with. I usually don't, and most voters don't, state that outright when they're giving an RFD.

If one doesn't explicitly state who one agrees with before a debate, there's a good chance one doesn't have a strong feeling either way.
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2/24/2013 10:09:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/24/2013 10:02:22 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/24/2013 9:48:31 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 2/24/2013 7:19:25 PM, Noumena wrote:
Your methodology is flawed in several ways, one of which being that you're only analyzing where people stated explicitly who they already agreed with. I usually don't, and most voters don't, state that outright when they're giving an RFD.

If one doesn't explicitly state who one agrees with before a debate, there's a good chance one doesn't have a strong feeling either way.

idk man, I tend not to even when I do have strong feelings. Sometimes i will sometimes I wont, it just depends but generally i wont. what i think you ought to do is analyze the votingrecords of a few specific members (who arent like trolls or votebombers or whjatever). You can judge their opinion basd on their big issues/ideology. You could well be right, I just have a problem with your methods
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: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
: thett was right
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2/24/2013 10:14:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/24/2013 10:09:20 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 2/24/2013 10:02:22 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/24/2013 9:48:31 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 2/24/2013 7:19:25 PM, Noumena wrote:
Your methodology is flawed in several ways, one of which being that you're only analyzing where people stated explicitly who they already agreed with. I usually don't, and most voters don't, state that outright when they're giving an RFD.

If one doesn't explicitly state who one agrees with before a debate, there's a good chance one doesn't have a strong feeling either way.

idk man, I tend not to even when I do have strong feelings. Sometimes i will sometimes I wont, it just depends but generally i wont. what i think you ought to do is analyze the votingrecords of a few specific members (who arent like trolls or votebombers or whjatever). You can judge their opinion basd on their big issues/ideology. You could well be right, I just have a problem with your methods

The conclusion of my study rests on the assumption that people who report which side they agree with are essentially no different than those have opinions, but don't share them for whatever reason.
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2/24/2013 10:14:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
People tend to vote on debates that they have a personal interest in . . . I try to be as unbiased as possible. Generally the debates with a lot of votes are less biased.
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2/24/2013 10:17:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/24/2013 10:14:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/24/2013 10:09:20 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 2/24/2013 10:02:22 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/24/2013 9:48:31 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 2/24/2013 7:19:25 PM, Noumena wrote:
Your methodology is flawed in several ways, one of which being that you're only analyzing where people stated explicitly who they already agreed with. I usually don't, and most voters don't, state that outright when they're giving an RFD.

If one doesn't explicitly state who one agrees with before a debate, there's a good chance one doesn't have a strong feeling either way.

idk man, I tend not to even when I do have strong feelings. Sometimes i will sometimes I wont, it just depends but generally i wont. what i think you ought to do is analyze the votingrecords of a few specific members (who arent like trolls or votebombers or whjatever). You can judge their opinion basd on their big issues/ideology. You could well be right, I just have a problem with your methods

The conclusion of my study rests on the assumption that people who report which side they agree with are essentially no different than those have opinions, but don't share them for whatever reason.

I feel stupid for saying this but can you elaboraate? I'm not sure what you mean.(dont judge, im tired)
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: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
: thett was right
dylancatlow
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2/24/2013 10:20:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/24/2013 10:14:50 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
People tend to vote on debates that they have a personal interest in . . . I try to be as unbiased as possible. Generally the debates with a lot of votes are less biased.

It's hard to be objective when the vote question reads "made more convincing arguments" and you already agree with a position and all of its arguments. If you have a stance on an issue, you probably believe it because the arguments convinced you. And if the arguments convinced you, you probably find them convincing. Get my drift?
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2/24/2013 10:21:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/24/2013 10:17:29 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 2/24/2013 10:14:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/24/2013 10:09:20 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 2/24/2013 10:02:22 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/24/2013 9:48:31 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 2/24/2013 7:19:25 PM, Noumena wrote:
Your methodology is flawed in several ways, one of which being that you're only analyzing where people stated explicitly who they already agreed with. I usually don't, and most voters don't, state that outright when they're giving an RFD.

If one doesn't explicitly state who one agrees with before a debate, there's a good chance one doesn't have a strong feeling either way.

idk man, I tend not to even when I do have strong feelings. Sometimes i will sometimes I wont, it just depends but generally i wont. what i think you ought to do is analyze the votingrecords of a few specific members (who arent like trolls or votebombers or whjatever). You can judge their opinion basd on their big issues/ideology. You could well be right, I just have a problem with your methods

The conclusion of my study rests on the assumption that people who report which side they agree with are essentially no different than those have opinions, but don't share them for whatever reason.

I feel stupid for saying this but can you elaboraate? I'm not sure what you mean.(dont judge, im tired)

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2/24/2013 11:02:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I remain unbiased with all my votes. As rarely as I do, i guess I'm part of a small minority
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2/25/2013 6:27:27 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/24/2013 9:42:27 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/24/2013 9:05:29 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
It's not that beliefs influence votes. It's that votes influence beliefs.

Hogwash.

Are you saying that people hold beliefs that are not in-line with what side they think has the better arguments?
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2/25/2013 8:54:48 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/25/2013 6:27:27 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 2/24/2013 9:42:27 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/24/2013 9:05:29 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
It's not that beliefs influence votes. It's that votes influence beliefs.

Hogwash.

Are you saying that people hold beliefs that are not in-line with what side they think has the better arguments?

No, people do, but not because the arguments convinced them. People recognize arguments convincing usually because they already agree with them.
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2/26/2013 10:59:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
You posted this in two forums? *facepalm*
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2/26/2013 5:37:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 10:59:21 AM, lannan13 wrote:
You posted this in two forums? *facepalm*

That's not even the biggest facepalm: I posted in in two forums, and had typos in both.
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2/26/2013 5:38:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 5:37:55 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/26/2013 10:59:21 AM, lannan13 wrote:
You posted this in two forums? *facepalm*

That's not even the biggest facepalm: I posted in in two forums, and had typos in both.

it in*!
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2/26/2013 5:39:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 5:37:55 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/26/2013 10:59:21 AM, lannan13 wrote:
You posted this in two forums? *facepalm*

That's not even the biggest facepalm: I posted in in two forums, and had typos in both.

Wow, how ironic. Correct version: "That's not even the biggest facepalm: I posted this in two forums, and both had typos."
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2/26/2013 6:18:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 5:39:10 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/26/2013 5:37:55 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/26/2013 10:59:21 AM, lannan13 wrote:
You posted this in two forums? *facepalm*

That's not even the biggest facepalm: I posted in in two forums, and had typos in both.

Wow, how ironic. Correct version: "That's not even the biggest facepalm: I posted this in two forums, and both had typos."

LOL
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2/26/2013 6:20:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 6:18:24 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/26/2013 5:39:10 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/26/2013 5:37:55 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/26/2013 10:59:21 AM, lannan13 wrote:
You posted this in two forums? *facepalm*

That's not even the biggest facepalm: I posted in in two forums, and had typos in both.

Wow, how ironic. Correct version: "That's not even the biggest facepalm: I posted this in two forums, and both had typos."

LOL

I am reading your comment through the slits of my fingers, and in a sense of defeat.
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2/26/2013 6:25:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/26/2013 6:20:29 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 2/26/2013 6:18:24 PM, lannan13 wrote:
You posted this in two forums? *facepalm*

That's not even the biggest facepalm: I posted in in two forums, and had typos in both.
I am reading your comment through the slits of my fingers, and in a sense of defeat.

Don't feel bad I had the same thing happen to me before.
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