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Why do girls go for jerks?

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11/29/2009 4:47:04 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/29/2009 3:59:30 AM, sllewuy wrote:
Is it because they think they can change them or something?

That would rather defeat the purpose of being attracted to one in the first place and if true, result in girls likely skipping that phase all together, which leaves us with you making a why can't I get the girl thread. :P
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11/29/2009 7:49:57 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Because most jerks demonstrate alpha-male characteristics. Women of today still retain their biological attraction to those characteristics. Novelty, charisma, leader-type mentality, high social standing, etc.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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11/29/2009 7:53:50 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Because women are begging for it once they step outside the kitchen.

I lol, in all seriousness women are biologically inferior to men 90+% of the time. They feel weak, and need someone who appears strong to protect them. Besides, they like wild adventures and the bay boy image promises that.
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11/29/2009 7:57:04 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Girls aren't attracted to "bad boys", they are attracted to certain characteristics of which "bad boys" generally exhibit the most. What they're really going for is the member of the species which seems to have the most "pull" out of a specific social group.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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11/29/2009 8:06:19 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/29/2009 7:49:57 AM, Kleptin wrote:
Because most jerks demonstrate alpha-male characteristics. Women of today still retain their biological attraction to those characteristics. Novelty, charisma, leader-type mentality, high social standing, etc.

Novelty, charisma, leadership and high social standing don't = jerks.
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11/29/2009 8:09:52 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
I agree with Kleptin that women want a guy with charisma, charm, etc. Girls definitely want a guy that everybody else likes as well. While the biological reasons that have been mentioned are most definitely true, there's also the reality that most girls are just desperate to have a boyfriend (and yes, biology has something to do with it) so they're usually quite tolerant of awful behavior. Guys know that they can get away with a lot; they can be an a-hole and still get the girl, so they are. Girls have a social need to have a guy in their lives too. That's why they act retarded around them - all gaga and stuff. They want acceptance and to be liked by men. Also, let's face it - most of the time, the "good guys" are ugly. Straight up.
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11/29/2009 8:29:50 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/29/2009 8:09:52 AM, theLwerd wrote:
I agree with Kleptin that women want a guy with charisma, charm, etc. Girls definitely want a guy that everybody else likes as well. While the biological reasons that have been mentioned are most definitely true, there's also the reality that most girls are just desperate to have a boyfriend (and yes, biology has something to do with it) so they're usually quite tolerant of awful behavior. Guys know that they can get away with a lot; they can be an a-hole and still get the girl, so they are. Girls have a social need to have a guy in their lives too. That's why they act retarded around them - all gaga and stuff. They want acceptance and to be liked by men. Also, let's face it - most of the time, the "good guys" are ugly. Straight up.

hey, hey, hey, I'm a "good guy", and I'm not too particularly objectionable, at least that's what my girlfriend tells me :) lol
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11/29/2009 8:39:25 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/29/2009 8:29:50 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:

hey, hey, hey, I'm a "good guy", and I'm not too particularly objectionable, at least that's what my girlfriend tells me :) lol

Lol I always come across guys who claim to be the good guy. I'm starting to think it's just a marketing ploy ;) Seriously though, if all these good guys exist as they so claim, then they must be living under a rock (or just taken with gf's already as you said).
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11/29/2009 10:28:53 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/29/2009 8:06:19 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 11/29/2009 7:49:57 AM, Kleptin wrote:
Because most jerks demonstrate alpha-male characteristics. Women of today still retain their biological attraction to those characteristics. Novelty, charisma, leader-type mentality, high social standing, etc.

Novelty, charisma, leadership and high social standing don't = jerks.

It's kind of like how splenda has 0 calories and still tastes sweet. Our bodies were made to reward us with positive sensations when we get things we need, like sugar.

Most jerks display characteristics that are *interpreted* as alpha-male characteristics, without actually being positive traits. Just like artificial sweeteners.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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11/29/2009 10:38:16 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/29/2009 10:28:53 AM, Kleptin wrote:
At 11/29/2009 8:06:19 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 11/29/2009 7:49:57 AM, Kleptin wrote:
Because most jerks demonstrate alpha-male characteristics. Women of today still retain their biological attraction to those characteristics. Novelty, charisma, leader-type mentality, high social standing, etc.

Novelty, charisma, leadership and high social standing don't = jerks.

It's kind of like how splenda has 0 calories and still tastes sweet. Our bodies were made to reward us with positive sensations when we get things we need, like sugar.

Most jerks display characteristics that are *interpreted* as alpha-male characteristics, without actually being positive traits. Just like artificial sweeteners.

Kind of like how shooting up heroin is a pretty positive experience at first, and then it eventually crashes and burns on you.
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11/29/2009 10:41:40 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
The question perplexes me as well.

There is a guy at my school--for anonymity's sake let's call him "Andy"--who causes the girls to swoon every time he walks by. The thing is, he's a total @sshole. And not just a typical everyday as$hole either. He's a downright misogynist. An extreme one at that.

Here's an overheard conversation.

"Hey Randy, what's going--"
"Oh my god, what happened to your t!tties?"
"What about my--"
"My god they've grown so small!"
"Stop it, you're making me self-consci--"
"Well, you probably have a tight @!*&#^, right? I mean, you're so short anyway."
"Well, I don't really kno...I mean, I don't...I mean, maybe I guess."
"You know one thing that can help you grow your t!tties is that...well, my cousin has this girlfriend who had small t!tties, and my cousin has been sucking on them, and then they grew bigger. So what size are you? Are you like an A cup?"
...and so on...

At this point, the girl is covering her chest in apparent embarrassment, but she's smiling. She goddamn smiling. As if she's enjoying the verbal assault.

It doesn't make any sense to me.
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11/29/2009 10:42:28 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Why hasn't john joined this thread?
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11/29/2009 10:45:49 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/29/2009 10:42:28 AM, johngriswald wrote:
Why hasn't john joined this thread?

Assuming you're talking about s0m31john, he's long gone. Too busy with college.
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11/29/2009 11:34:34 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Kleptin's got some good points on this topic and I believe it is at least as much the fault of male attitudes as female ones.

As others have suggested women are basically responding to assertiveness and confidence.

The problem is that "good" behaviour is not conventionally rewarded amongst male society whereas "bad" behaviour is.

Especially in a school or industrial environment, males who are kind, generous, fair etc. are generally derided as "gay" or "pvssy" while those who get the respect are the aggressive or those with the wittiest, most harsh putdowns and insults.

Since the obnoxious behaviour is rewarded amongst their own gender group it is easier to be confident and assertive in this manner when dealing with the opposite sex than it is to exhibit "nice" behaviour confidently.

There are probably also deeper biological reasons as well as the fact of good looks boosting one's self esteem and the fine line that exists between confidence and arrogance anyway.
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11/29/2009 11:40:48 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Feverish is right. I have this one friend who is short and not that great looking... but he gets so many girls! He's my buddy so we chit chat and objectify women together (lulz) and I asked him why he's such a jerk to them, since he's actually a genuinely nice guy. He said that girls only get with him when he's an a-sshole to them and barely pays them any attention. And he's right. But I think a woman who is confident enough not to tolerate that BS is much sexier.
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11/29/2009 2:24:13 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/29/2009 11:40:48 AM, theLwerd wrote:

But I think a woman who is confident enough not to tolerate that BS is much sexier.

Absolutely; it also says much about a man who wants the woman, and seeks one, to be dominated in such a negative fashion.
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11/29/2009 3:22:41 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/29/2009 11:40:48 AM, theLwerd wrote:
But I think a woman who is confident enough not to tolerate that BS is much sexier.

Agreed, well put.
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11/29/2009 3:24:21 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/29/2009 3:22:41 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 11/29/2009 11:40:48 AM, theLwerd wrote:
But I think a woman who is confident enough not to tolerate that BS is much sexier.

Agreed, well put.

Me too.
But the ones that tolerate the BS, are so hot, not sexier though.
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11/29/2009 3:26:20 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/29/2009 3:24:21 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 11/29/2009 3:22:41 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 11/29/2009 11:40:48 AM, theLwerd wrote:
But I think a woman who is confident enough not to tolerate that BS is much sexier.

Agreed, well put.

Me too.
But the ones that tolerate the BS, are so hot, not sexier though.

Lol are you serious? Girls who tolerate @ssholes are stupid b*tches.
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

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11/29/2009 3:26:23 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/29/2009 11:40:48 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Feverish is right. I have this one friend who is short and not that great looking... but he gets so many girls! He's my buddy so we chit chat and objectify women together (lulz) and I asked him why he's such a jerk to them, since he's actually a genuinely nice guy. He said that girls only get with him when he's an a-sshole to them and barely pays them any attention. And he's right. But I think a woman who is confident enough not to tolerate that BS is much sexier.

It works, and if your are hot and a jerk it is just crazy amount of p.....
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11/29/2009 3:27:22 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/29/2009 3:26:20 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 11/29/2009 3:24:21 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 11/29/2009 3:22:41 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 11/29/2009 11:40:48 AM, theLwerd wrote:
But I think a woman who is confident enough not to tolerate that BS is much sexier.

Agreed, well put.

Me too.
But the ones that tolerate the BS, are so hot, not sexier though.

Lol are you serious? Girls who tolerate @ssholes are stupid b*tches.

With tight bodies!
But yes dumb.

but some do say that beauty is only a light switch way.
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11/29/2009 3:28:30 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/29/2009 8:09:52 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Also, let's face it - most of the time, the "good guys" are ugly. Straight up.

That's so true...

But women have no taste so its all good.
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11/29/2009 3:44:25 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/29/2009 3:26:23 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 11/29/2009 11:40:48 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Feverish is right. I have this one friend who is short and not that great looking... but he gets so many girls! He's my buddy so we chit chat and objectify women together (lulz) and I asked him why he's such a jerk to them, since he's actually a genuinely nice guy. He said that girls only get with him when he's an a-sshole to them and barely pays them any attention. And he's right. But I think a woman who is confident enough not to tolerate that BS is much sexier.

It works, and if your are hot and a jerk it is just crazy amount of STDs...

Fixed. I've got your back, buddy.
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11/29/2009 3:45:51 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/29/2009 3:27:22 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 11/29/2009 3:26:20 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 11/29/2009 3:24:21 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 11/29/2009 3:22:41 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 11/29/2009 11:40:48 AM, theLwerd wrote:
But I think a woman who is confident enough not to tolerate that BS is much sexier.

Agreed, well put.

Me too.
But the ones that tolerate the BS, are so hot, not sexier though.

Lol are you serious? Girls who tolerate @ssholes are stupid b*tches.

With tight bodies!
But yes dumb.

I myself hate dumb people. I could never date, nor could I sleep with a girl who is unintelligent.
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11/29/2009 3:47:06 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/29/2009 3:44:25 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 11/29/2009 3:26:23 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 11/29/2009 11:40:48 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Feverish is right. I have this one friend who is short and not that great looking... but he gets so many girls! He's my buddy so we chit chat and objectify women together (lulz) and I asked him why he's such a jerk to them, since he's actually a genuinely nice guy. He said that girls only get with him when he's an a-sshole to them and barely pays them any attention. And he's right. But I think a woman who is confident enough not to tolerate that BS is much sexier.

It works, and if your are hot and a jerk it is just crazy amount of STDs...

Fixed. I've got your back, buddy.

HaHaHaHaHa
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11/29/2009 3:48:14 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/29/2009 3:27:22 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 11/29/2009 3:26:20 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 11/29/2009 3:24:21 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 11/29/2009 3:22:41 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 11/29/2009 11:40:48 AM, theLwerd wrote:
But I think a woman who is confident enough not to tolerate that BS is much sexier.

Agreed, well put.

Me too.
But the ones that tolerate the BS, are so hot, not sexier though.

Lol are you serious? Girls who tolerate @ssholes are stupid b*tches.

With tight bodies!
But yes dumb.

but some do say that beauty(and intelligence) is only a light switch way.
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11/29/2009 3:49:37 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/29/2009 3:45:51 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 11/29/2009 3:27:22 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 11/29/2009 3:26:20 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 11/29/2009 3:24:21 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 11/29/2009 3:22:41 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 11/29/2009 11:40:48 AM, theLwerd wrote:
But I think a woman who is confident enough not to tolerate that BS is much sexier.

Agreed, well put.

Me too.
But the ones that tolerate the BS, are so hot, not sexier though.

Lol are you serious? Girls who tolerate @ssholes are stupid b*tches.

With tight bodies!
But yes dumb.

I myself hate dumb people. I could never date, nor could I sleep with a girl who is unintelligent.

Likewise. Well, I could defnitely sleep with one, but I would never date one. Intelligence is the main attribute I look for in a friend or lover. Not necessarily booksmart, "streetsmarts" are just as important in the friends I choose to have. I also respect good common sense and willingness to learn.
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11/29/2009 3:51:04 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/29/2009 3:45:51 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:

I myself hate dumb people. I could never date, nor could I sleep with a girl who is unintelligent.

Sure, there would, I hazard however, be plenty of intelligent women in other arenas of their life bar relationship choices.