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dylancatlow
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6/24/2013 12:22:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
So for my senior project, we're supposed to write a 4,000 word research paper on pretty much anything which merits a high level of investigation. My research question is not set in stone, but it's essentially "To what extent have linguistic differences contributed to the differences between Eastern and Western societies." Specially, I'm going to be focusing on the differences between the metaphors used in these societies, and how this difference has shaped the development of their respective philosophies and culture. If you have any direct insight on this, that'd be great (even if it's just a layman's opinion), or if you know of any relevant sources which would be useful for answering this question, that would be great as well.
benevolent
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6/24/2013 12:31:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
i'm just YOLO but maybe you could write something about how we're so blasphemous in the west and that that might serve to corrode our indoctrination, whilst in the east they're not at all blasphemous, but instead fill their speech with positive religious connotation which might inversely strengthen their belief... you know, like it's ingrained itself so much into their everything that it's harder to let go. and there's scientific evidence of language distorting people's memories anyway, not so big a step to push that towards belief: http://www.spring.org.uk...
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6/24/2013 12:33:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
i'd say the main contributor to the difference between eastern and western societies is that we got the pigs and they got the women, though. i'd say pretty much everything stems from there.
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6/24/2013 12:36:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
someone should draw a picture of like osama bin laden lying naked will all his muslim buddies on a pile of women each, off in their own eastern part of the picture, then the pope and his cronies in their golden temple that is also a golden pig pen full of pigs, and some dude - the everyman - looking on in like... um, absolute wtf'ness
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6/24/2013 1:00:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
hebrew, the mathematical language, might lend mathematical ability. the eastern lot are rather mathematical, aren't they? um...
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6/24/2013 1:03:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
you're welcome for the effort anyway. i guess an obvious one is that the dominant western language is dominant the world over and so invites multiculturalism
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6/24/2013 1:10:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/24/2013 1:03:17 PM, benevolent wrote:
you're welcome for the effort anyway. i guess an obvious one is that the dominant western language is dominant the world over and so invites multiculturalism

That's an interesting thought, actually. Foreign philosophies and culture can pervade a society much more easily if there's no language gap, hence Eastern societies are a lot more uniform. It doesn't directly pertain to the question, though, because a 'linguistic difference' can't be as broad as 'a different language,' but it might come in handy. Thanks
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6/24/2013 1:10:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Well I can't help much. I know what certain societies have different ways of talking about past, present and future tense, even excluding some of them. I know that certain societies have different ways of talking about groups of things. Some have different primary colour groups they name.

There's a lot to consider.
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6/24/2013 1:11:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/24/2013 1:07:44 PM, benevolent wrote:
guess i completely glossed over your metaphors bit too but wtf is that?

Thinking of one thing in terms of another.
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6/24/2013 1:12:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/24/2013 1:10:14 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:03:17 PM, benevolent wrote:
you're welcome for the effort anyway. i guess an obvious one is that the dominant western language is dominant the world over and so invites multiculturalism

That's an interesting thought, actually. Foreign philosophies and culture can pervade a society much more easily if there's no language gap, hence Eastern societies are a lot more uniform. It doesn't directly pertain to the question, though, because a 'linguistic difference' can't be as broad as 'a different language,' but it might come in handy. Thanks

You are welcome, my man! Ha!
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6/24/2013 1:13:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/24/2013 1:11:23 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:07:44 PM, benevolent wrote:
guess i completely glossed over your metaphors bit too but wtf is that?

Thinking of one thing in terms of another.

i dunno how it'd affect society though. seems kinda inconsequential to me. i'd be interested to hear? :3
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6/24/2013 1:16:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/24/2013 1:13:26 PM, benevolent wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:11:23 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:07:44 PM, benevolent wrote:
guess i completely glossed over your metaphors bit too but wtf is that?

Thinking of one thing in terms of another.

i dunno how it'd affect society though. seems kinda inconsequential to me. i'd be interested to hear? :3

You can't see how the manner in which a society views the world could be relevant?
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6/24/2013 1:18:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The tricky part is going to be how do I show that the linguistic differences aren't the product of preexisting cultural differences.
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6/24/2013 1:21:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/24/2013 1:16:55 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:13:26 PM, benevolent wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:11:23 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:07:44 PM, benevolent wrote:
guess i completely glossed over your metaphors bit too but wtf is that?

Thinking of one thing in terms of another.

i dunno how it'd affect society though. seems kinda inconsequential to me. i'd be interested to hear? :3

You can't see how the manner in which a society views the world could be relevant?

i guess if they're creating images with their metaphors images stick better in people's heads than anything else.... but otherwise, their interpretation of things doesn't seem like it'd be primarily down to language...
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6/24/2013 1:22:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/24/2013 1:21:19 PM, benevolent wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:16:55 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:13:26 PM, benevolent wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:11:23 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:07:44 PM, benevolent wrote:
guess i completely glossed over your metaphors bit too but wtf is that?

Thinking of one thing in terms of another.

i dunno how it'd affect society though. seems kinda inconsequential to me. i'd be interested to hear? :3

You can't see how the manner in which a society views the world could be relevant?

i guess if they're creating images with their metaphors images stick better in people's heads than anything else.... but otherwise, their interpretation of things doesn't seem like it'd be primarily down to language...

their philosophizing is more intensive due to the sort of language they use maybe...
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6/24/2013 1:23:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/24/2013 1:18:29 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
The tricky part is going to be how do I show that the linguistic differences aren't the product of preexisting cultural differences.

ohh, fun.
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6/24/2013 1:25:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/24/2013 1:21:19 PM, benevolent wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:16:55 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:13:26 PM, benevolent wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:11:23 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:07:44 PM, benevolent wrote:
guess i completely glossed over your metaphors bit too but wtf is that?

Thinking of one thing in terms of another.

i dunno how it'd affect society though. seems kinda inconsequential to me. i'd be interested to hear? :3

You can't see how the manner in which a society views the world could be relevant?

i guess if they're creating images with their metaphors images stick better in people's heads than anything else.... but otherwise, their interpretation of things doesn't seem like it'd be primarily down to language...

The idea is that abstract concepts must be broken into concrete terms to be understood, and the concretes chosen for these abstract concepts affects the way in which people view and act upon them.
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6/24/2013 1:27:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/24/2013 1:25:17 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:21:19 PM, benevolent wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:16:55 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:13:26 PM, benevolent wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:11:23 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:07:44 PM, benevolent wrote:
guess i completely glossed over your metaphors bit too but wtf is that?

Thinking of one thing in terms of another.

i dunno how it'd affect society though. seems kinda inconsequential to me. i'd be interested to hear? :3

You can't see how the manner in which a society views the world could be relevant?

i guess if they're creating images with their metaphors images stick better in people's heads than anything else.... but otherwise, their interpretation of things doesn't seem like it'd be primarily down to language...

The idea is that abstract concepts must be broken into concrete terms to be understood, and the concretes chosen for these abstract concepts affects the way in which people view and act upon them.

would you mind providing an example? this is pretty interesting dude
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6/24/2013 1:30:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/24/2013 1:27:25 PM, benevolent wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:25:17 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:21:19 PM, benevolent wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:16:55 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:13:26 PM, benevolent wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:11:23 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:07:44 PM, benevolent wrote:
guess i completely glossed over your metaphors bit too but wtf is that?

Thinking of one thing in terms of another.

i dunno how it'd affect society though. seems kinda inconsequential to me. i'd be interested to hear? :3

You can't see how the manner in which a society views the world could be relevant?

i guess if they're creating images with their metaphors images stick better in people's heads than anything else.... but otherwise, their interpretation of things doesn't seem like it'd be primarily down to language...

The idea is that abstract concepts must be broken into concrete terms to be understood, and the concretes chosen for these abstract concepts affects the way in which people view and act upon them.

would you mind providing an example? this is pretty interesting dude

I know - that's why I chose it :)

One concrete example is medicine. In Western societies, the abstract concept of illness is thought in terms of something that is broken and needs fixing; in Eastern societies, this concept is thought of in terms of an imbalance that needs to be treated. This obviously could have implications for how these two societies go about treating illness, and I would argue that it has.
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6/24/2013 1:34:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/24/2013 1:23:27 PM, benevolent wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:18:29 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
The tricky part is going to be how do I show that the linguistic differences aren't the product of preexisting cultural differences.

ohh, fun.

I think bilingualism will play a key role in proving this one way or the other. Not sure how exactly. Summer '13 is sure to be fun.
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6/24/2013 1:38:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Another major linguistic difference that I plan to explore is passive vs active voice, and how that could have played a role in the development of one society which is more extroverted (west) and another that is more introverted (east).
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6/24/2013 1:41:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/24/2013 1:38:22 PM, benevolent wrote:
enjoy dude! :D

i'ma read that book

I had to reread the book using the knowledge the book offered to better understand the book itself.
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6/24/2013 1:45:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/24/2013 1:41:09 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/24/2013 1:38:22 PM, benevolent wrote:
enjoy dude! :D

i'ma read that book

I had to reread the book using the knowledge the book offered to better understand the book itself.

oh cool, like a clockwork orange, then?