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headphonegut
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12/12/2009 11:08:40 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
How long do you guys think it would be before resources run out and what factors would contribute to this please if you want post whatever you want funny <warning funny videos will be laughed at>
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12/12/2009 11:44:55 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/12/2009 11:08:40 PM, headphonegut wrote:
How long do you guys think it would be before resources run out and what factors would contribute to this please if you want post whatever you want funny <warning funny videos will be laughed at>

Well it depends on what resources we are talking about but as an overall rule we are talking at least milenia, possible millions of years.

Sure oil and gas have relatively short durations, but there are alternatives, renewable ones as well.

It really is a question of the speed at which 'new' or alternative resources are developed. If oil run out today western civilisation would collapse. If we knew it was due to run out in exactly 50 years we would have time to adapt.
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12/12/2009 11:47:46 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Depends on rate of technological innovation.

Of which I do not know.
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12/13/2009 10:53:49 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Resources will not "run out" because they are not "used up". Matter is neither gained or lost. It is simply transformed.

Even further, transmutation is allowing man to produce desired elements at will.

Conclusion: We won't run out of all resources. Individual ones may disappear, but they can be reproduced or replaced.
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12/13/2009 1:25:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/13/2009 10:53:49 AM, wjmelements wrote:
Resources will not "run out" because they are not "used up". Matter is neither gained or lost. It is simply transformed.

Even further, transmutation is allowing man to produce desired elements at will.

Conclusion: We won't run out of all resources. Individual ones may disappear, but they can be reproduced or replaced.

Wjm - That's a contradiction if I've ever heard one. You said that resources will not "run out" and then a few sentences later said "individual ones may disappear."

Right now we can produce SOME desired elements at will, but not all. And what about the places we use as resources being exploited (such as the ocean and forests)?

Also just because matter is transformed does not mean that it transforms to something we can utilize.

Conclusion: We will run out of SOME resources (and already have) --- We can reproduce some of them, but not all. We're working on it.
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12/13/2009 1:28:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/13/2009 10:53:49 AM, wjmelements wrote:
Resources will not "run out" because they are not "used up". Matter is neither gained or lost. It is simply transformed.

Even further, transmutation is allowing man to produce desired elements at will.

Yeah, last I checked transmutation was still a kind of 'magic'. A cool kind, but I think in order to specialize in it you have to give up evocation, which kind of sucks.
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12/13/2009 1:37:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/13/2009 1:28:46 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 12/13/2009 10:53:49 AM, wjmelements wrote:
Resources will not "run out" because they are not "used up". Matter is neither gained or lost. It is simply transformed.

Even further, transmutation is allowing man to produce desired elements at will.

Yeah, last I checked transmutation was still a kind of 'magic'. A cool kind, but I think in order to specialize in it you have to give up evocation, which kind of sucks.

Never heard of nuclear fission/fusion? :P
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12/13/2009 1:40:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/13/2009 1:25:02 PM, theLwerd wrote:

Conclusion: We will run out of SOME resources (and already have) --- We can reproduce some of them, but not all. We're working on it.

Waste eating bacteria that produce petroleum are neat. ^^
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12/13/2009 1:42:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/13/2009 1:37:42 PM, Puck wrote:
At 12/13/2009 1:28:46 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 12/13/2009 10:53:49 AM, wjmelements wrote:
Resources will not "run out" because they are not "used up". Matter is neither gained or lost. It is simply transformed.

Even further, transmutation is allowing man to produce desired elements at will.

Yeah, last I checked transmutation was still a kind of 'magic'. A cool kind, but I think in order to specialize in it you have to give up evocation, which kind of sucks.

Never heard of nuclear fission/fusion? :P

yes that's getting energy from matter, is it not? not changing lead into gold.

I wouldn't say chemistry/physics hasn't allowing us to rearrange things on much smaller scales, but we can't just make one thing into another at will.
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12/13/2009 1:44:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/13/2009 1:42:57 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 12/13/2009 1:37:42 PM, Puck wrote:
At 12/13/2009 1:28:46 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 12/13/2009 10:53:49 AM, wjmelements wrote:
Resources will not "run out" because they are not "used up". Matter is neither gained or lost. It is simply transformed.

Even further, transmutation is allowing man to produce desired elements at will.

Yeah, last I checked transmutation was still a kind of 'magic'. A cool kind, but I think in order to specialize in it you have to give up evocation, which kind of sucks.

Never heard of nuclear fission/fusion? :P

yes that's getting energy from matter, is it not? not changing lead into gold.

I wouldn't say chemistry/physics hasn't allowing us to rearrange things on much smaller scales, but we can't just make one thing into another at will.

And most of our processes to do so take a lot more energy than that we get out of it, like hydrogen.
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12/13/2009 1:45:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/13/2009 1:37:42 PM, Puck wrote:
At 12/13/2009 1:28:46 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 12/13/2009 10:53:49 AM, wjmelements wrote:
Resources will not "run out" because they are not "used up". Matter is neither gained or lost. It is simply transformed.

Even further, transmutation is allowing man to produce desired elements at will.

Yeah, last I checked transmutation was still a kind of 'magic'. A cool kind, but I think in order to specialize in it you have to give up evocation, which kind of sucks.

Never heard of nuclear fission/fusion? :P

Do you know how much energy that requires?
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12/13/2009 1:48:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/13/2009 1:45:25 PM, Vi_Veri wrote:
At 12/13/2009 1:37:42 PM, Puck wrote:
At 12/13/2009 1:28:46 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 12/13/2009 10:53:49 AM, wjmelements wrote:
Resources will not "run out" because they are not "used up". Matter is neither gained or lost. It is simply transformed.

Even further, transmutation is allowing man to produce desired elements at will.

Yeah, last I checked transmutation was still a kind of 'magic'. A cool kind, but I think in order to specialize in it you have to give up evocation, which kind of sucks.

Never heard of nuclear fission/fusion? :P

Do you know how much energy that requires?

Fusion. Relatively little compared to other fuels, a a lot compared to what we have.

Fissions. Little over time.
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12/13/2009 1:48:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/13/2009 1:42:57 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 12/13/2009 1:37:42 PM, Puck wrote:
At 12/13/2009 1:28:46 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 12/13/2009 10:53:49 AM, wjmelements wrote:
Resources will not "run out" because they are not "used up". Matter is neither gained or lost. It is simply transformed.

Even further, transmutation is allowing man to produce desired elements at will.

Yeah, last I checked transmutation was still a kind of 'magic'. A cool kind, but I think in order to specialize in it you have to give up evocation, which kind of sucks.

Never heard of nuclear fission/fusion? :P

yes that's getting energy from matter, is it not? not changing lead into gold.

It's changing elements, which was referred to earlier. Lead > gold is alchemy, nuclear reactions which change elements and alchemy just share the same term, transmuting, which simply indicates a change of matter, not its creation.


I wouldn't say chemistry/physics hasn't allowing us to rearrange things on much smaller scales, but we can't just make one thing into another at will.

That would be called God. We however are bound by physics.
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12/13/2009 1:50:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/13/2009 1:45:25 PM, Vi_Veri wrote:
At 12/13/2009 1:37:42 PM, Puck wrote:
At 12/13/2009 1:28:46 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 12/13/2009 10:53:49 AM, wjmelements wrote:
Resources will not "run out" because they are not "used up". Matter is neither gained or lost. It is simply transformed.

Even further, transmutation is allowing man to produce desired elements at will.

Yeah, last I checked transmutation was still a kind of 'magic'. A cool kind, but I think in order to specialize in it you have to give up evocation, which kind of sucks.

Never heard of nuclear fission/fusion? :P

Do you know how much energy that requires?

Yes. It was aimed more at the comment suggesting it couldn't be done. :)
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12/13/2009 1:52:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/13/2009 1:25:02 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 12/13/2009 10:53:49 AM, wjmelements wrote:
Resources will not "run out" because they are not "used up". Matter is neither gained or lost. It is simply transformed.

Even further, transmutation is allowing man to produce desired elements at will.

Conclusion: We won't run out of all resources. Individual ones may disappear, but they can be reproduced or replaced.

Wjm - That's a contradiction if I've ever heard one. You said that resources will not "run out" and then a few sentences later said "individual ones may disappear."
Not at all. Resources as a whole will not run out, but individuals will be expended.
Conclusion: We will run out of SOME resources (and already have) --- We can reproduce some of them, but not all. We're working on it.
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And what about the places we use as resources being exploited (such as the ocean and forests)?
Dumb statement. Those are far from being expended and in every case where parts of them are privatized (tree farms and fish farms), there is zero problem of over fishing.
Also just because matter is transformed does not mean that it transforms to something we can utilize.
They can be transformed back or into something else. Take for example the turning of oil into plastic. Plastic can be recycled or reused. Sure, it is currently cheeeper to create new plastics, but when there is a need for plastic to be recycled, a more efficient process will be found.
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12/13/2009 1:54:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/13/2009 1:28:46 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 12/13/2009 10:53:49 AM, wjmelements wrote:
Resources will not "run out" because they are not "used up". Matter is neither gained or lost. It is simply transformed.

Even further, transmutation is allowing man to produce desired elements at will.

Yeah, last I checked transmutation was still a kind of 'magic'. A cool kind, but I think in order to specialize in it you have to give up evocation, which kind of sucks.

We can do it on a small scale with alpha particles and beta particles as of now. The human race is still working on other methods, but transmutation should become an effective means of production.
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12/15/2009 4:30:44 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/14/2009 3:41:27 PM, wonderwoman wrote:
Tommorrow......or the next day

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