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11/5/2013 8:45:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/5/2013 7:37:44 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

What are you confused about?
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11/5/2013 9:18:49 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/5/2013 8:45:44 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/5/2013 7:37:44 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

What are you confused about?

If I posted a link to a picture on another website, would I be committing theft?
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11/5/2013 9:45:11 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/5/2013 9:18:49 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 11/5/2013 8:45:44 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/5/2013 7:37:44 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

What are you confused about?

If I posted a link to a picture on another website, would I be committing theft?

It's a term of art. It's not technically theft, however, people pay for bandwidth on their site. When they have an image, they want it to be viewed in the context of their site, whether because of the content or because of ad revenue. When someone straight-up takes an image, it's copyright infringement. When they hotlink to it, though, they wind up getting the same effect, without even having to host it themselves--and the original poster has to pay for the bandwidth every time someone accesses it through the "thief's" website.
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11/5/2013 10:01:31 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Hotlinking pertains less (or even not at all) to simply posting a URL to an image or some other content. Rather it pertains to embedding that content in a web page via that link.

It is the difference between posting a link to an image here (which a person must click to follow to the source) and posting a link to a youtube video (which DDO then processes and displays the video here).

I would say the second is an example of hotlinking, not the first.

The issues with the second is that you could build an entire web page off of hotlinked imagines and visitors would never know the difference. You are consuming the bandwidth of someone else, while also bypassing any advertising revenue they may have set up.

While the same is true by having direct links, hotlinking obfuscates the origin of the content since the content itself is being displayed without the user having to click anything to get to it. It is, essentially, a form of plagiarism.

It is also dangerous since people can tell (by examining their logs) whether or not content is being hotlinked and can set up their server to prevent hotlinking (often by redirecting the request to display different content - for example, having an offensive imagine turn up rather than the intended one).
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11/5/2013 1:26:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/5/2013 10:01:31 AM, drafterman wrote:
Hotlinking pertains less (or even not at all) to simply posting a URL to an image or some other content. Rather it pertains to embedding that content in a web page via that link.

It is the difference between posting a link to an image here (which a person must click to follow to the source) and posting a link to a youtube video (which DDO then processes and displays the video here).

I would say the second is an example of hotlinking, not the first.

The issues with the second is that you could build an entire web page off of hotlinked imagines and visitors would never know the difference. You are consuming the bandwidth of someone else, while also bypassing any advertising revenue they may have set up.

While the same is true by having direct links, hotlinking obfuscates the origin of the content since the content itself is being displayed without the user having to click anything to get to it. It is, essentially, a form of plagiarism.

It is also dangerous since people can tell (by examining their logs) whether or not content is being hotlinked and can set up their server to prevent hotlinking (often by redirecting the request to display different content - for example, having an offensive imagine turn up rather than the intended one).

So why does DDO allow us to hotlink YouTube videos?
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11/5/2013 1:26:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/5/2013 9:45:11 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/5/2013 9:18:49 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 11/5/2013 8:45:44 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/5/2013 7:37:44 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

What are you confused about?

If I posted a link to a picture on another website, would I be committing theft?

It's a term of art. It's not technically theft, however, people pay for bandwidth on their site. When they have an image, they want it to be viewed in the context of their site, whether because of the content or because of ad revenue. When someone straight-up takes an image, it's copyright infringement. When they hotlink to it, though, they wind up getting the same effect, without even having to host it themselves--and the original poster has to pay for the bandwidth every time someone accesses it through the "thief's" website.

So Is DDO in trouble?
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11/5/2013 1:36:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/5/2013 10:01:31 AM, drafterman wrote:
: Hotlinking pertains less (or even not at all) to simply posting a URL to an image or some other content. Rather it pertains to embedding that content in a web page via that link.
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It is the difference between posting a link to an image here (which a person must click to follow to the source) and posting a link to a youtube video (which DDO then processes and displays the video here).

I would say the second is an example of hotlinking, not the first.

The issues with the second is that you could build an entire web page off of hotlinked imagines and visitors would never know the difference. You are consuming the bandwidth of someone else, while also bypassing any advertising revenue they may have set up.

While the same is true by having direct links, hotlinking obfuscates the origin of the content since the content itself is being displayed without the user having to click anything to get to it. It is, essentially, a form of plagiarism.

It is also dangerous since people can tell (by examining their logs) whether or not content is being hotlinked and can set up their server to prevent hotlinking (often by redirecting the request to display different content - for example, having an offensive imagine turn up rather than the intended one).

Good point--I should have ensured that was very explicit (not that the rest weren't good points, too).
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11/5/2013 1:36:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/5/2013 1:26:51 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 11/5/2013 9:45:11 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/5/2013 9:18:49 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 11/5/2013 8:45:44 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/5/2013 7:37:44 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

What are you confused about?

If I posted a link to a picture on another website, would I be committing theft?

It's a term of art. It's not technically theft, however, people pay for bandwidth on their site. When they have an image, they want it to be viewed in the context of their site, whether because of the content or because of ad revenue. When someone straight-up takes an image, it's copyright infringement. When they hotlink to it, though, they wind up getting the same effect, without even having to host it themselves--and the original poster has to pay for the bandwidth every time someone accesses it through the "thief's" website.

So Is DDO in trouble?

No.

Youtube encourages embedding, so it's legit.
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11/5/2013 1:37:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/5/2013 1:26:23 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 11/5/2013 10:01:31 AM, drafterman wrote:
Hotlinking pertains less (or even not at all) to simply posting a URL to an image or some other content. Rather it pertains to embedding that content in a web page via that link.

It is the difference between posting a link to an image here (which a person must click to follow to the source) and posting a link to a youtube video (which DDO then processes and displays the video here).

I would say the second is an example of hotlinking, not the first.

The issues with the second is that you could build an entire web page off of hotlinked imagines and visitors would never know the difference. You are consuming the bandwidth of someone else, while also bypassing any advertising revenue they may have set up.

While the same is true by having direct links, hotlinking obfuscates the origin of the content since the content itself is being displayed without the user having to click anything to get to it. It is, essentially, a form of plagiarism.

It is also dangerous since people can tell (by examining their logs) whether or not content is being hotlinked and can set up their server to prevent hotlinking (often by redirecting the request to display different content - for example, having an offensive imagine turn up rather than the intended one).

So why does DDO allow us to hotlink YouTube videos?

Because that is a functionality that Youtube explicitly allows.
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11/5/2013 1:54:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
https://support.google.com...

Now, of course, the question is why does Youtube allow this if it is such a nefarious practice?

Youtube controls the manner in which videos are displayed, so can ensure that their "brand" is marketed correctly. Furthermore, advertisements are embedded in the video itself, so their revenue stream is unaffected. Youtube only stands to gain by allowing other websites to embed/hotlink to videos as it increases their exposure.
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11/5/2013 2:38:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/5/2013 1:36:49 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/5/2013 1:26:51 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 11/5/2013 9:45:11 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/5/2013 9:18:49 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 11/5/2013 8:45:44 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/5/2013 7:37:44 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

What are you confused about?

If I posted a link to a picture on another website, would I be committing theft?

It's a term of art. It's not technically theft, however, people pay for bandwidth on their site. When they have an image, they want it to be viewed in the context of their site, whether because of the content or because of ad revenue. When someone straight-up takes an image, it's copyright infringement. When they hotlink to it, though, they wind up getting the same effect, without even having to host it themselves--and the original poster has to pay for the bandwidth every time someone accesses it through the "thief's" website.

So Is DDO in trouble?

No.

Youtube encourages embedding, so it's legit.

If we like pictures from non picture-hosting sites?
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11/5/2013 2:49:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/5/2013 2:38:58 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 11/5/2013 1:36:49 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/5/2013 1:26:51 PM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 11/5/2013 9:45:11 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/5/2013 9:18:49 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 11/5/2013 8:45:44 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/5/2013 7:37:44 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

What are you confused about?

If I posted a link to a picture on another website, would I be committing theft?

It's a term of art. It's not technically theft, however, people pay for bandwidth on their site. When they have an image, they want it to be viewed in the context of their site, whether because of the content or because of ad revenue. When someone straight-up takes an image, it's copyright infringement. When they hotlink to it, though, they wind up getting the same effect, without even having to host it themselves--and the original poster has to pay for the bandwidth every time someone accesses it through the "thief's" website.

So Is DDO in trouble?

No.

Youtube encourages embedding, so it's legit.

If we like pictures from non picture-hosting sites?

Well, i'm not entirely sure what you're asking--do you mean "If we want to post a picture from non-picture hosting sites"? Which I presume to be just general websites where you find an image you like?

I don't believe DDO allows hotlinking (except for from your DDO albums and from youtube). At most you could direct link (which would cause the clicker to open it in a new window/tab, but JUST the picture...at least then it's clear you're opening a new website, even if you are stripping it out of context), OR you can take it and upload it to your account. If you do that, you're not using their bandwidth, you've uploaded it to DDO and DDO is providing the bandwidth to view the image. You may get into copyright issues (of course, there's fair use and so on), but to be honest, no one is likely to complain--it's the internet, and you aren't using it to make a profit, and, since you aren't hotlinking, you aren't using up their bandwidth. It's all about how likely they are to notice or care, at that point. Not that i'm recommending copyright infringement! (He said, loudly enough for the NSA to hear...)
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