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7/20/2014 8:43:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I'm really bored, and think my spare time would be well spent reading something interesting. Any ideas? I'm open to a wide range of topics - science, business, politics, current affairs, poverty, art, ethics etc.

just no fiction & no dense/tedious philosophical literature
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7/21/2014 9:29:54 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/20/2014 10:57:49 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

lol that fails to meet either of his criteria.
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7/21/2014 9:43:42 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/20/2014 8:47:05 PM, YYW wrote:
Outliers, by Malcolm Gladwell.

I like Malcolm Gladwell's writing, but he's definitely a fraud.
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7/21/2014 10:01:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2014 9:29:54 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 7/20/2014 10:57:49 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

lol that fails to meet either of his criteria.

I know, I was bumping forums in the misc section and I had to post random goop but don't question why I was bumping the forums.
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7/21/2014 12:10:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/20/2014 10:57:49 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

lol... no.
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7/21/2014 12:14:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2014 12:10:24 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/20/2014 10:57:49 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

lol... no.

I was bumping forums in the misc section and I had to post random goop but don't question why I was bumping the forums.
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7/21/2014 12:18:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2014 12:14:43 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 7/21/2014 12:10:24 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/20/2014 10:57:49 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

lol... no.

I was bumping forums in the misc section and I had to post random goop but don't question why I was bumping the forums.

Be that as it may... I am not a fan of Ayn Rand.
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7/21/2014 12:21:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2014 12:10:24 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/20/2014 10:57:49 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

lol... no.

It's an amazing book and that's a fact. If you disagree, you can take it up with Atlas Man: http://www.debate.org...
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7/21/2014 12:30:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2014 12:18:23 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/21/2014 12:14:43 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 7/21/2014 12:10:24 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/20/2014 10:57:49 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

lol... no.

I was bumping forums in the misc section and I had to post random goop but don't question why I was bumping the forums.

Be that as it may... I am not a fan of Ayn Rand.

I respect Ayn Rand much even though I don't agree with her on many things. I do plan on studying her philosophy soon though.
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7/21/2014 12:37:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2014 12:30:50 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 7/21/2014 12:18:23 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/21/2014 12:14:43 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 7/21/2014 12:10:24 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/20/2014 10:57:49 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

lol... no.

I was bumping forums in the misc section and I had to post random goop but don't question why I was bumping the forums.

Be that as it may... I am not a fan of Ayn Rand.

I respect Ayn Rand much even though I don't agree with her on many things. I do plan on studying her philosophy soon though.

Sure.
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7/21/2014 1:36:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/20/2014 8:43:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
I'm really bored, and think my spare time would be well spent reading something interesting. Any ideas? I'm open to a wide range of topics - science, business, politics, current affairs, poverty, art, ethics etc.

just no fiction & no dense/tedious philosophical literature

Any of Hawking's writings are a pleasure, I can also recommend Games People Play through a friend of mine.
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7/21/2014 5:06:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2014 9:43:42 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 7/20/2014 8:47:05 PM, YYW wrote:
Outliers, by Malcolm Gladwell.

I like Malcolm Gladwell's writing, but he's definitely a fraud.

Why do you say he's a fraud?
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7/21/2014 5:15:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2014 5:06:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 7/21/2014 9:43:42 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 7/20/2014 8:47:05 PM, YYW wrote:
Outliers, by Malcolm Gladwell.

I like Malcolm Gladwell's writing, but he's definitely a fraud.

Why do you say he's a fraud?

He's a pretend philosopher.
"In case anyone hasn't noticed it, the West is in extremis. The undertaker is checking his watch at the foot of its bed, and there's a sinister kettle of croaking, money-feathered vultures on the roof."
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7/21/2014 5:26:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2014 5:15:52 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 7/21/2014 5:06:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 7/21/2014 9:43:42 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 7/20/2014 8:47:05 PM, YYW wrote:
Outliers, by Malcolm Gladwell.

I like Malcolm Gladwell's writing, but he's definitely a fraud.

Why do you say he's a fraud?

He's a pretend philosopher.

I didn't think he. Fancied himself a philosopher. I understand your point now.
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7/21/2014 5:27:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2014 5:26:58 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 7/21/2014 5:15:52 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 7/21/2014 5:06:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 7/21/2014 9:43:42 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 7/20/2014 8:47:05 PM, YYW wrote:
Outliers, by Malcolm Gladwell.

I like Malcolm Gladwell's writing, but he's definitely a fraud.

Why do you say he's a fraud?

He's a pretend philosopher.

I didn't think he. Fancied himself a philosopher. I understand your point now.

I still think he's fun to read though.
"In case anyone hasn't noticed it, the West is in extremis. The undertaker is checking his watch at the foot of its bed, and there's a sinister kettle of croaking, money-feathered vultures on the roof."
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7/21/2014 5:30:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2014 5:27:41 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 7/21/2014 5:26:58 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 7/21/2014 5:15:52 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 7/21/2014 5:06:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 7/21/2014 9:43:42 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 7/20/2014 8:47:05 PM, YYW wrote:
Outliers, by Malcolm Gladwell.

I like Malcolm Gladwell's writing, but he's definitely a fraud.

Why do you say he's a fraud?

He's a pretend philosopher.

I didn't think he. Fancied himself a philosopher. I understand your point now.

I still think he's fun to read though.

Me too. I don't agree with him on everything, but I know when I pick up one of his books it will be at least mildly entertaining and I'll learn something new. The stuff I learn seems to be of practical use, as well.
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7/21/2014 8:43:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/20/2014 8:47:05 PM, YYW wrote:
Outliers, by Malcolm Gladwell.

I didn't like tipping point very much, and a brief synopsis of this work suggests it may be forwarding a very straightforward and unsurprising point. Is this unfair? - what was your impression of it if you read it?
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7/21/2014 8:51:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2014 8:43:18 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/20/2014 8:47:05 PM, YYW wrote:
Outliers, by Malcolm Gladwell.

I didn't like tipping point very much, and a brief synopsis of this work suggests it may be forwarding a very straightforward and unsurprising point. Is this unfair? - what was your impression of it if you read it?

His main point is that innate ability isn't as innate as we might think, and that practice and hard work and the circumstances we find ourselves in really are the determinants of success. It's a very short, accessible read too and I think you'll like it because he uses real life examples to make the points he's trying to make, some of whom are from pop culture and others of whom are not.

As a side note: The reason Dylan doesn't like it is because (I think) of the chapter about Oppenheimer and Dylan's hero Chris Langan, and contrasts their abilities and outcomes. Gladwell, I think, has a very charitable account of Langan's life -perhaps more than he deserves- and is utterly unforgiving of Oppenheimer -which is probably more appropriate.
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7/21/2014 8:54:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2014 9:29:54 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 7/20/2014 10:57:49 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

lol that fails to meet either of his criteria.

But, man, it's NONFICTION!!!
#UnbanTheMadman

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7/21/2014 8:54:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2014 8:51:56 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/21/2014 8:43:18 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/20/2014 8:47:05 PM, YYW wrote:
Outliers, by Malcolm Gladwell.

I didn't like tipping point very much, and a brief synopsis of this work suggests it may be forwarding a very straightforward and unsurprising point. Is this unfair? - what was your impression of it if you read it?

His main point is that innate ability isn't as innate as we might think, and that practice and hard work and the circumstances we find ourselves in really are the determinants of success. It's a very short, accessible read too and I think you'll like it because he uses real life examples to make the points he's trying to make, some of whom are from pop culture and others of whom are not.

As a side note: The reason Dylan doesn't like it is because (I think) of the chapter about Oppenheimer and Dylan's hero Chris Langan, and contrasts their abilities and outcomes. Gladwell, I think, has a very charitable account of Langan's life -perhaps more than he deserves- and is utterly unforgiving of Oppenheimer -which is probably more appropriate.

Actually, I thought Gladwell was a pretend philosopher after reading Blink. But that didn't stop me from reading all his books lol
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7/21/2014 8:55:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2014 8:54:31 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 7/21/2014 8:51:56 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/21/2014 8:43:18 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/20/2014 8:47:05 PM, YYW wrote:
Outliers, by Malcolm Gladwell.

I didn't like tipping point very much, and a brief synopsis of this work suggests it may be forwarding a very straightforward and unsurprising point. Is this unfair? - what was your impression of it if you read it?

His main point is that innate ability isn't as innate as we might think, and that practice and hard work and the circumstances we find ourselves in really are the determinants of success. It's a very short, accessible read too and I think you'll like it because he uses real life examples to make the points he's trying to make, some of whom are from pop culture and others of whom are not.

As a side note: The reason Dylan doesn't like it is because (I think) of the chapter about Oppenheimer and Dylan's hero Chris Langan, and contrasts their abilities and outcomes. Gladwell, I think, has a very charitable account of Langan's life -perhaps more than he deserves- and is utterly unforgiving of Oppenheimer -which is probably more appropriate.

Actually, I thought Gladwell was a pretend philosopher after reading Blink. But that didn't stop me from reading all his books lol

He is not a pretend philosopher. He's a social scientist, and one of the best, though I'll agree that Blink isn't his best work. Outliers is.
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7/21/2014 8:56:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2014 8:54:30 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 7/21/2014 9:29:54 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 7/20/2014 10:57:49 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

lol that fails to meet either of his criteria.

But, man, it's NONFICTION!!!

Bossy, say no to drugs. lol
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7/21/2014 8:56:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2014 12:18:23 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/21/2014 12:14:43 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 7/21/2014 12:10:24 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/20/2014 10:57:49 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

lol... no.

I was bumping forums in the misc section and I had to post random goop but don't question why I was bumping the forums.

Be that as it may... I am not a fan of Ayn Rand.

Didn't you say that you thought Atlas Shrugged was a well-written book before, even if you didn't agree with the message?
#UnbanTheMadman

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Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
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7/21/2014 8:56:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2014 8:55:38 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/21/2014 8:54:31 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 7/21/2014 8:51:56 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/21/2014 8:43:18 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/20/2014 8:47:05 PM, YYW wrote:
Outliers, by Malcolm Gladwell.

I didn't like tipping point very much, and a brief synopsis of this work suggests it may be forwarding a very straightforward and unsurprising point. Is this unfair? - what was your impression of it if you read it?

His main point is that innate ability isn't as innate as we might think, and that practice and hard work and the circumstances we find ourselves in really are the determinants of success. It's a very short, accessible read too and I think you'll like it because he uses real life examples to make the points he's trying to make, some of whom are from pop culture and others of whom are not.

As a side note: The reason Dylan doesn't like it is because (I think) of the chapter about Oppenheimer and Dylan's hero Chris Langan, and contrasts their abilities and outcomes. Gladwell, I think, has a very charitable account of Langan's life -perhaps more than he deserves- and is utterly unforgiving of Oppenheimer -which is probably more appropriate.

Actually, I thought Gladwell was a pretend philosopher after reading Blink. But that didn't stop me from reading all his books lol

He is not a pretend philosopher. He's a social scientist, and one of the best, though I'll agree that Blink isn't his best work. Outliers is.

Outliers is also my favorite.
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7/21/2014 8:57:05 PM
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At 7/21/2014 8:56:19 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 7/21/2014 12:18:23 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/21/2014 12:14:43 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 7/21/2014 12:10:24 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/20/2014 10:57:49 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Atlas Shrugged

lol... no.

I was bumping forums in the misc section and I had to post random goop but don't question why I was bumping the forums.

Be that as it may... I am not a fan of Ayn Rand.

Didn't you say that you thought Atlas Shrugged was a well-written book before, even if you didn't agree with the message?

It is well written AND a work of fiction, that doesn't mean that I like it.
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7/21/2014 8:57:48 PM
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In fact, Gladwell is one of the few authors that I've read. I don't read much lol.
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7/21/2014 9:03:01 PM
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At 7/21/2014 8:57:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
In fact, Gladwell is one of the few authors that I've read. I don't read much lol.

What have you read that you didn't like?
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7/21/2014 9:03:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2014 9:03:01 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/21/2014 8:57:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
In fact, Gladwell is one of the few authors that I've read. I don't read much lol.

What have you read that you didn't like?

I only read what I like it seems.
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