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brian_eggleston
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5/7/2010 2:15:16 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
The Good News: The dirty, cheating Tory scum have failed to win a overall majority in the British General Election.

The Bad News: Neither have the Labour Party.

At the moment it is not clear which party will form the next government, although the Liberal Democrats will certainly be the king-makers.
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5/7/2010 6:11:44 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/7/2010 2:15:16 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
The Good News: The dirty, cheating Tory scum have failed to win a overall majority in the British General Election.

The Bad News: Neither have the Labour Party.

At the moment it is not clear which party will form the next government, although the Liberal Democrats will certainly be the king-makers.

That's the way it should be (not about the Tory winning), no party should hold all power, there needs to be diversity (political, not PC diversity) in government so that it better matches the people and has to actually engage in real debate and real policy consideration to get things done, not "We won the election, now you guys just stand there, bend over and TAKE IT LIKE A MAN!!!" Which then switches next election and both sides spend their time either bitching (the minority party) or screwing the people (majority party).
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5/7/2010 8:07:29 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/7/2010 6:03:35 AM, Kinesis wrote:
The Conservatives have the upper hand with the most seats.

Clegg has also issued a statement of support for Cameron - http://www.csmonitor.com...

Seems to me that all he says here is that since the Tories have the most votes, they have the right to approach him and discuss terms first, before Labour.
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5/7/2010 8:37:45 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/7/2010 2:15:16 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
The Good News: The dirty, cheating Tory scum have failed to win a overall majority in the British General Election.

The Bad News: Neither have the Labour Party.

At the moment it is not clear which party will form the next government, although the Liberal Democrats will certainly be the king-makers.

As long as Labour fails to make a new Government it's a plus.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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5/7/2010 8:40:30 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/7/2010 8:07:29 AM, feverish wrote:
At 5/7/2010 6:03:35 AM, Kinesis wrote:
The Conservatives have the upper hand with the most seats.

Clegg has also issued a statement of support for Cameron - http://www.csmonitor.com...

Seems to me that all he says here is that since the Tories have the most votes, they have the right to approach him and discuss terms first, before Labour.

Labour doesn't respect issues such as rights, or the proper way to do things. If the shoddiest most anti-democratic deal was on the table they would take it.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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5/7/2010 12:39:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/7/2010 8:40:30 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:

Labour doesn't respect issues such as rights, or the proper way to do things. If the shoddiest most anti-democratic deal was on the table they would take it.

Can you express exactly what it is you hate about the Labour party in concrete terms Cereb?
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5/7/2010 12:50:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Sinn Féin (5) + Labour (258) + Scottish National (6) + Lib Dems (57) = 326 majority on the dot.

And what's more it's entirely plausible.

Votes Summary: http://en.wikipedia.org...
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5/7/2010 12:51:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/7/2010 12:50:16 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Sinn Féin (5) + Labour (258) + Scottish National (6) + Lib Dems (57) = 326 majority on the dot.

And what's more it's entirely plausible.

Votes Summary: http://en.wikipedia.org...

Yes please.
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5/7/2010 12:53:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/7/2010 12:51:38 PM, feverish wrote:
At 5/7/2010 12:50:16 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Sinn Féin (5) + Labour (258) + Scottish National (6) + Lib Dems (57) = 326 majority on the dot.

And what's more it's entirely plausible.

Votes Summary: http://en.wikipedia.org...

Yes please.

There's also some SDLP and Green votes which would bump it up to 329
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5/8/2010 12:02:24 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/7/2010 12:39:38 PM, feverish wrote:
At 5/7/2010 8:40:30 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:

Labour doesn't respect issues such as rights, or the proper way to do things. If the shoddiest most anti-democratic deal was on the table they would take it.

Can you express exactly what it is you hate about the Labour party in concrete terms Cereb?

The use of anti-terror legislation against people who put the wrong piece of trash in a rubbish bag or may be lying about what catchment area they live in.
The failure to protect private data of citizens.
The petrol riots.
The reaction to, and the cover up of the murder of Charles De Menzies.
The war in Iraq and Afghanistan, both the joining off, and the conduct in.
The failure to hold a referendum for the lisbon treaty.
The police raid on Parliament/corruption of the Labour Speaker.
The mismangement of the welfare state, the culture of dependency.
The immigration crisis.
The downgrading of the police force, moving away from bobbies on the beat dealing with real crime to matters of less importance and the recruitment of female front line officers, and 'plastic coppers'.
The expenses scandal, the worst perpertrators were Labour and it should have caused a resignation of the PM and fresh elections.
Blair's babes, a disgusting act of affirmative action that has failed to produce any MP's of any value.
The failure to deal with, indeed the decision of the Government to pander to the Islamic community.
The issue that Gordon Brown has no mandate from the people, his mandate is to be a constituency MP. When Tony Blair handed him the reins their should have been a fresh election.
The fact that it is now, more than ever 'in hoc' to the trade unions, as a result it can not be seen as likely to work for the good of the general public, especially not the working class (ironic I know).
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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5/8/2010 4:52:04 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 12:02:24 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 5/7/2010 12:39:38 PM, feverish wrote:
At 5/7/2010 8:40:30 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:

Labour doesn't respect issues such as rights, or the proper way to do things. If the shoddiest most anti-democratic deal was on the table they would take it.

Can you express exactly what it is you hate about the Labour party in concrete terms Cereb?

The use of anti-terror legislation against people who put the wrong piece of trash in a rubbish bag or may be lying about what catchment area they live in.
The failure to protect private data of citizens.
The petrol riots.
The reaction to, and the cover up of the murder of Charles De Menzies.
The war in Iraq and Afghanistan, both the joining off, and the conduct in.
The failure to hold a referendum for the lisbon treaty.
The police raid on Parliament/corruption of the Labour Speaker.
The mismangement of the welfare state, the culture of dependency.
The immigration crisis.
The downgrading of the police force, moving away from bobbies on the beat dealing with real crime to matters of less importance and the recruitment of female front line officers, and 'plastic coppers'.
The expenses scandal, the worst perpertrators were Labour and it should have caused a resignation of the PM and fresh elections.
Blair's babes, a disgusting act of affirmative action that has failed to produce any MP's of any value.
The failure to deal with, indeed the decision of the Government to pander to the Islamic community.
The issue that Gordon Brown has no mandate from the people, his mandate is to be a constituency MP. When Tony Blair handed him the reins their should have been a fresh election.
The fact that it is now, more than ever 'in hoc' to the trade unions, as a result it can not be seen as likely to work for the good of the general public, especially not the working class (ironic I know).

'Tis a fair list, although a lot of your opinions on the issues seem sexist and xenophobic. Have you ever considered a job with The Daily Mail?

I think for every valid complaint you have, I can site a worse failure from the Tory government of our youth and on many of the issues you site, Labour had the support of the Conservatives.

Perhaps rather than responding to your points individually here, it would be more fun to do some kind of Labour v Tory debate. What do you think?
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5/8/2010 5:57:14 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/7/2010 12:40:12 PM, BellumQuodPacis wrote:
**zips up zipper** Topic fooled me.

What, you wanted the Parliament to do a porno?
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5/8/2010 10:42:59 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 4:52:04 AM, feverish wrote:
At 5/8/2010 12:02:24 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 5/7/2010 12:39:38 PM, feverish wrote:
At 5/7/2010 8:40:30 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:

Labour doesn't respect issues such as rights, or the proper way to do things. If the shoddiest most anti-democratic deal was on the table they would take it.

Can you express exactly what it is you hate about the Labour party in concrete terms Cereb?

The use of anti-terror legislation against people who put the wrong piece of trash in a rubbish bag or may be lying about what catchment area they live in.
The failure to protect private data of citizens.
The petrol riots.
The reaction to, and the cover up of the murder of Charles De Menzies.
The war in Iraq and Afghanistan, both the joining off, and the conduct in.
The failure to hold a referendum for the lisbon treaty.
The police raid on Parliament/corruption of the Labour Speaker.
The mismangement of the welfare state, the culture of dependency.
The immigration crisis.
The downgrading of the police force, moving away from bobbies on the beat dealing with real crime to matters of less importance and the recruitment of female front line officers, and 'plastic coppers'.
The expenses scandal, the worst perpertrators were Labour and it should have caused a resignation of the PM and fresh elections.
Blair's babes, a disgusting act of affirmative action that has failed to produce any MP's of any value.
The failure to deal with, indeed the decision of the Government to pander to the Islamic community.
The issue that Gordon Brown has no mandate from the people, his mandate is to be a constituency MP. When Tony Blair handed him the reins their should have been a fresh election.
The fact that it is now, more than ever 'in hoc' to the trade unions, as a result it can not be seen as likely to work for the good of the general public, especially not the working class (ironic I know).

'Tis a fair list, although a lot of your opinions on the issues seem sexist and xenophobic. Have you ever considered a job with The Daily Mail?

I do not consider a single of my statements to be sexist or xenophobic.

I think for every valid complaint you have, I can site a worse failure from the Tory government of our youth and on many of the issues you site, Labour had the support of the Conservatives.

Well I am not a Conservative either, but they do appear to be the lesser of two evils.

Perhaps rather than responding to your points individually here, it would be more fun to do some kind of Labour v Tory debate. What do you think?

That could be fun.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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5/8/2010 10:50:46 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 5:57:14 AM, Kinesis wrote:
At 5/7/2010 12:40:12 PM, BellumQuodPacis wrote:
**zips up zipper** Topic fooled me.

What, you wanted the Parliament to do a porno?

Its is a HUNG parliament.
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5/8/2010 10:53:37 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 10:42:59 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 5/8/2010 4:52:04 AM, feverish wrote:

I think for every valid complaint you have, I can site a worse failure from the Tory government of our youth and on many of the issues you site, Labour had the support of the Conservatives.

Well I am not a Conservative either, but they do appear to be the lesser of two evils.

That's how I feel about Labour.

Perhaps rather than responding to your points individually here, it would be more fun to do some kind of Labour v Tory debate. What do you think?

That could be fun.

Cool, maybe something arguing the pros and cons of the Thatcher/Major government versus the Blair/Brown administration?
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5/8/2010 10:56:55 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 10:53:37 AM, feverish wrote:
At 5/8/2010 10:42:59 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 5/8/2010 4:52:04 AM, feverish wrote:

I think for every valid complaint you have, I can site a worse failure from the Tory government of our youth and on many of the issues you site, Labour had the support of the Conservatives.

Well I am not a Conservative either, but they do appear to be the lesser of two evils.

That's how I feel about Labour.

Perhaps rather than responding to your points individually here, it would be more fun to do some kind of Labour v Tory debate. What do you think?

That could be fun.

Cool, maybe something arguing the pros and cons of the Thatcher/Major government versus the Blair/Brown administration?

Yea okay, can we set this up monday? (At the earliest).
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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5/10/2010 12:15:16 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 11:10:49 AM, feverish wrote:
At 5/8/2010 10:56:55 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:

Yea okay, can we set this up monday? (At the earliest).

Sure, nice one. :)

I'm scared.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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5/10/2010 9:54:16 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Breaking News:

Gordon Brown is to resign as Prime Minister.

This could pave the way for a Lib-Lab pact – which would be the best possible outcome under the present circumstances.
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5/10/2010 11:12:41 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/10/2010 9:54:16 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Breaking News:

Gordon Brown is to resign as Prime Minister.

This could pave the way for a Lib-Lab pact – which would be the best possible outcome under the present circumstances.

Swapping one terrible outcome for another.
A lib-lab pact will be a disgusting betrayal of democracy.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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5/10/2010 11:30:20 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/10/2010 11:12:41 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 5/10/2010 9:54:16 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Breaking News:

Gordon Brown is to resign as Prime Minister.

This could pave the way for a Lib-Lab pact – which would be the best possible outcome under the present circumstances.

Swapping one terrible outcome for another.
A lib-lab pact will be a disgusting betrayal of democracy.

FPTP is itself a gross betrayal of democracy.
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5/10/2010 11:35:47 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/10/2010 11:30:20 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
FPTP is itself a gross betrayal of democracy.

Not really. FPTP was designed mostly in mind with two main competing parties, which for most of British electoral history has been the case. But when more parties start getting on board it starts getting fuzzier.
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5/10/2010 11:39:14 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/10/2010 11:35:47 AM, Volkov wrote:
At 5/10/2010 11:30:20 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
FPTP is itself a gross betrayal of democracy.

Not really. FPTP was designed mostly in mind with two main competing parties, which for most of British electoral history has been the case. But when more parties start getting on board it starts getting fuzzier.

And proportional representation becomes more democratic.
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5/10/2010 11:42:21 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/10/2010 11:39:14 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
And proportional representation becomes more democratic.

It also makes it much harder to govern properly.

Preferential ballot is much better than proportional rep.
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5/10/2010 12:12:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/10/2010 9:54:16 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Breaking News:

Gordon Brown is to resign as Prime Minister.

This could pave the way for a Lib-Lab pact – which would be the best possible outcome under the present circumstances.

Whoop, whoop!

This news made my day. Fingers well and truly crossed.
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5/10/2010 12:14:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Apparently Liberal Democrats and Conservatives are just finishing their talks. The BBC says so at least.

At 5/10/2010 11:42:21 AM, Volkov wrote:
At 5/10/2010 11:39:14 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
And proportional representation becomes more democratic.

It also makes it much harder to govern properly.

Preferential ballot is much better than proportional rep.

Thank you!! I amount of times I've had to say that today.
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5/10/2010 12:27:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Standard transferable is pretty sexy, but I'd like the idea of two houses, one formed by FPTP, the other by PR.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.