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3/18/2015 4:18:43 PM
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What are some random issues that you are passionate about? By random issues, I mean issues that are not the primary issues talked about in the media (e.g. gay marriage, Hillary's candidacy, abolishing the IRS, boots on the ground to fight ISIS, etc.).

Here are some of mine:

- Animal Rights (Pro)
- Rights for Artificial Intelligence (Pro)
- Chinese Influence in Africa (Con)
- Civics in U.S. Education (Pro)
- Human Trafficking (obviously Con)
- Mandatory post-secondary Education (Pro)
- More restrictive rules on radio editing (Pro)

...There are probably more, but that list suffices for now. So, what are some of your random buzz issues?
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3/18/2015 4:32:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
1. Transhumanist issues which include a lot of sub topics. The only time I see the stuff debated though is when BSH1 does a StarTrek topic.

2. I like cults and how they operate. I'm not sure why I have that odd fascination, but I am constantly researching cults. I want to start one just to learn more about how they operate.

3. Conspiracy theories especially true ones, but any will do.
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3/18/2015 5:13:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/18/2015 4:18:43 PM, bsh1 wrote:

- Mandatory post-secondary Education (Pro)

I'm passionately Con on this.
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3/18/2015 5:15:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/18/2015 5:13:08 PM, WillYouMarryMe wrote:
At 3/18/2015 4:18:43 PM, bsh1 wrote:

- Mandatory post-secondary Education (Pro)

I'm passionately Con on this.

Agreed.
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3/18/2015 5:19:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/18/2015 5:15:25 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/18/2015 5:13:08 PM, WillYouMarryMe wrote:
At 3/18/2015 4:18:43 PM, bsh1 wrote:

- Mandatory post-secondary Education (Pro)

I'm passionately Con on this.

Agreed.

If anything we have too many people going to college.

If by mandatory post secondary education he means we should try to make everyone learn a trade or something that's more defensible. But to make everyone go to college? I think it's a really really bad idea.
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3/18/2015 5:25:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/18/2015 5:19:55 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 3/18/2015 5:15:25 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/18/2015 5:13:08 PM, WillYouMarryMe wrote:
At 3/18/2015 4:18:43 PM, bsh1 wrote:

- Mandatory post-secondary Education (Pro)

I'm passionately Con on this.

Agreed.

If anything we have too many people going to college.

If by mandatory post secondary education he means we should try to make everyone learn a trade or something that's more defensible. But to make everyone go to college? I think it's a really really bad idea.

We have far too many people going to college. And on top of it college isn't even affordable. Nothing is worth tens of thousands of dollars of debt for someone who is 22 years old. That's stupidity. If I had to take out loans to go to college, I wouldn't have gone. I would have gone to a trade school and become a mechanic or plumber and forgone the crippling debt with no guarantee of a job.
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3/18/2015 5:27:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/18/2015 4:18:43 PM, bsh1 wrote:
What are some random issues that you are passionate about? By random issues, I mean issues that are not the primary issues talked about in the media (e.g. gay marriage, Hillary's candidacy, abolishing the IRS, boots on the ground to fight ISIS, etc.).

Here are some of mine:

- Animal Rights (Pro)
- Rights for Artificial Intelligence (Pro)
- Chinese Influence in Africa (Con)
- Civics in U.S. Education (Pro)
- Human Trafficking (obviously Con)
- Mandatory post-secondary Education (Pro)
- More restrictive rules on radio editing (Pro)

...There are probably more, but that list suffices for now. So, what are some of your random buzz issues?

What do you mean about restrictive rules on radio editing?
Why don't you want the Chinese in Africa?
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3/18/2015 5:35:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/18/2015 4:18:43 PM, bsh1 wrote:
What are some random issues that you are passionate about? By random issues, I mean issues that are not the primary issues talked about in the media (e.g. gay marriage, Hillary's candidacy, abolishing the IRS, boots on the ground to fight ISIS, etc.).

Here are some of mine:

- Animal Rights (Pro)
Agreed
- Rights for Artificial Intelligence (Pro)
Agreed
- Chinese Influence in Africa (Con)
I thought it was Africans moving into China, not the other way around o.O
- Civics in U.S. Education (Pro)
neutral
- Human Trafficking (obviously Con)
Agreed.... unless willing prostitution counts, then I disagree
- Mandatory post-secondary Education (Pro)
Neutral
- More restrictive rules on radio editing (Pro)
For example?
...There are probably more, but that list suffices for now. So, what are some of your random buzz issues?
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3/18/2015 6:17:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/18/2015 5:19:55 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 3/18/2015 5:15:25 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/18/2015 5:13:08 PM, WillYouMarryMe wrote:
At 3/18/2015 4:18:43 PM, bsh1 wrote:

- Mandatory post-secondary Education (Pro)

I'm passionately Con on this.

Agreed.

If anything we have too many people going to college.

If by mandatory post secondary education he means we should try to make everyone learn a trade or something that's more defensible. But to make everyone go to college? I think it's a really really bad idea.

By post-secondary education I mean anything from undergrad education, to vocational/technical schools, to licensed apprenticeships, and so forth.
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3/18/2015 6:17:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/18/2015 5:15:25 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/18/2015 5:13:08 PM, WillYouMarryMe wrote:
At 3/18/2015 4:18:43 PM, bsh1 wrote:

- Mandatory post-secondary Education (Pro)

I'm passionately Con on this.

Agreed.

Why?
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3/18/2015 6:17:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/18/2015 5:13:08 PM, WillYouMarryMe wrote:
At 3/18/2015 4:18:43 PM, bsh1 wrote:

- Mandatory post-secondary Education (Pro)

I'm passionately Con on this.

Why?
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3/18/2015 6:28:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/18/2015 6:17:22 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 3/18/2015 5:19:55 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 3/18/2015 5:15:25 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/18/2015 5:13:08 PM, WillYouMarryMe wrote:
At 3/18/2015 4:18:43 PM, bsh1 wrote:

- Mandatory post-secondary Education (Pro)

I'm passionately Con on this.

Agreed.

If anything we have too many people going to college.

If by mandatory post secondary education he means we should try to make everyone learn a trade or something that's more defensible. But to make everyone go to college? I think it's a really really bad idea.

By post-secondary education I mean anything from undergrad education, to vocational/technical schools, to licensed apprenticeships, and so forth.

I see no reason to make it mandatory. Unskilled labor is a necessary thing...you can't make everyone middle class. Let the people who want to pursue these things pursue them and those who don't shouldn't have to. I can see subsidizing it, maybe
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3/18/2015 6:34:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/18/2015 4:18:43 PM, bsh1 wrote:
What are some random issues that you are passionate about? By random issues, I mean issues that are not the primary issues talked about in the media (e.g. gay marriage, Hillary's candidacy, abolishing the IRS, boots on the ground to fight ISIS, etc.).

Here are some of mine:

- Animal Rights (Pro)
- Rights for Artificial Intelligence (Pro)
- Chinese Influence in Africa (Con)
- Civics in U.S. Education (Pro)
- Human Trafficking (obviously Con)
- Mandatory post-secondary Education (Pro)
- More restrictive rules on radio editing (Pro)

...There are probably more, but that list suffices for now. So, what are some of your random buzz issues?

Annexation of Canada.
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3/18/2015 6:56:46 PM
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At 3/18/2015 6:17:41 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 3/18/2015 5:13:08 PM, WillYouMarryMe wrote:
At 3/18/2015 4:18:43 PM, bsh1 wrote:

- Mandatory post-secondary Education (Pro)

I'm passionately Con on this.

Why?

(1) It would be extremely expensive to fund, and we can't afford to take on more debt or tax hikes right now. (2) It wouldn't have a very big return on investment because the "value-added" by college is highly exaggerated-- simply going to some random college for a few years doesn't actually give you a very big edge in the job market. (3) People who have no interest in pursuing secondary education should be free not to pursue it, especially given its lack of value. (4) It would be far more efficient to just reform the current public school system to make it more vocation-oriented.
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3/18/2015 7:02:56 PM
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Also, what thett said factors into point 3. The economy *needs* unskilled labor, so forcing people who don't care about pursuing more specialized fields to waste some of the most productive years of their lives getting educated is nonsensical.
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3/18/2015 7:12:22 PM
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At 3/18/2015 7:02:56 PM, WillYouMarryMe wrote:
Also, what thett said factors into point 3. The economy *needs* unskilled labor, so forcing people who don't care about pursuing more specialized fields to waste some of the most productive years of their lives getting educated is nonsensical.

Psh that's what the rest of the uneducated Third World is for: our unskilled labor. Duh.
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3/18/2015 7:31:58 PM
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My Big Issues:

Universal, single payer health care (PRO)
Higher education that is completely funded by taxpayers, and top-down educational reform more generally (PRO)
Gay rights (PRO - obviously)

Beyond that, I'm pretty apathetic. I don't care about abortion. I don't care about most of the "big issues" that people usually do.

With regard to foreign policy, I think I'm probably somewhere between Obama and Clinton. I used to be more of a neocon, but that is really fading away. It seems that the older I get, the more liberal I get and the more cynical I become.
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3/18/2015 7:38:27 PM
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I think it also bears disclosing that I really am unconcerned about the economy. It goes up. It goes down. In the United States, it all goes around. Other people can worry about it.

I took a lot of economics classes as an undergrad, and I read a lot of books regarding economics when I was a Republican, but my interest, at the end of the day, is not numbers. It's people, and their lives, and the quality of life that they live.

The beginning and end of my concern for corporations is the extent to which employment within them can provide a reasonably good standard of living for people. I do not care about corporations being able to make hundreds of billions of dollars in profit.

I do not care about financiers being able to manipulate money and rake in hundred million dollar bonuses. It's just not interesting to me, other than regulating them to the extent that the social outcomes that I want come to pass. I understand that there will always be inequality, and that's probably a good thing, but at the same time there is a minimum standard of living that I would be delighted to give to the "have nots" by taking from the "haves."

I know that outside of certain parts of California, New York, Illinois and Minnesota this makes me "unelectable," but I don't care. My sympathy is always with the little guy.
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3/18/2015 7:42:09 PM
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At 3/18/2015 7:31:58 PM, YYW wrote:
My Big Issues:

Universal, single payer health care (PRO)
Higher education that is completely funded by taxpayers, and top-down educational reform more generally (PRO)
Gay rights (PRO - obviously)

Are those things you're willing to debate?
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3/18/2015 7:44:07 PM
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I guess in that light, I am very strongly in favor of organized labor (even though I think teachers unions have destroyed American education and continue to wreak political havoc on communities). Granted, I do not think that teachers unions are inherently bad, but they have uniquely caused an astronomically high level of damage, and continue to do so, and if I could unilaterally disband them I would.
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3/18/2015 7:44:17 PM
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*Voting for US territories and DC. I think all territories should at least have a voting member in the House and more territorial autonomy.
*Either abolishing the draft or requiring women to sign up for it. I think it is fundamentally unjust that women, despite being allowed to do the same things as men, are granted their natural rights when they turn 18, while men only receive theirs after signing up for selective service (ie. government, not God/nature, grants men rights).
*Smoking ban. Very much opposed to it.
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3/18/2015 7:45:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/18/2015 7:38:27 PM, YYW wrote:
I think it also bears disclosing that I really am unconcerned about the economy. It goes up. It goes down. In the United States, it all goes around. Other people can worry about it.

I took a lot of economics classes as an undergrad, and I read a lot of books regarding economics when I was a Republican, but my interest, at the end of the day, is not numbers. It's people, and their lives, and the quality of life that they live.

You were a Republican?

The beginning and end of my concern for corporations is the extent to which employment within them can provide a reasonably good standard of living for people. I do not care about corporations being able to make hundreds of billions of dollars in profit.

I do not care about financiers being able to manipulate money and rake in hundred million dollar bonuses. It's just not interesting to me, other than regulating them to the extent that the social outcomes that I want come to pass. I understand that there will always be inequality, and that's probably a good thing, but at the same time there is a minimum standard of living that I would be delighted to give to the "have nots" by taking from the "haves."

I know that outside of certain parts of California, New York, Illinois and Minnesota this makes me "unelectable," but I don't care. My sympathy is always with the little guy.
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3/18/2015 7:47:35 PM
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At 3/18/2015 7:44:07 PM, YYW wrote:
I guess in that light, I am very strongly in favor of organized labor (even though I think teachers unions have destroyed American education and continue to wreak political havoc on communities). Granted, I do not think that teachers unions are inherently bad, but they have uniquely caused an astronomically high level of damage, and continue to do so, and if I could unilaterally disband them I would.

Do you think people should be obligated to join unions, especially when they contribute money to one group and one group only?

Also, do you see an issue with the fact public sector unions and politicians can effectively form a corrupt circle (unions fund politicians, who grant the unions lots of taxpayer-funed pensions, which the unions use to fund politicians, and so on)?
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3/18/2015 7:50:05 PM
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At 3/18/2015 7:44:17 PM, TN05 wrote:
*Voting for US territories and DC. I think all territories should at least have a voting member in the House and more territorial autonomy.
*Either abolishing the draft or requiring women to sign up for it. I think it is fundamentally unjust that women, despite being allowed to do the same things as men, are granted their natural rights when they turn 18, while men only receive theirs after signing up for selective service (ie. government, not God/nature, grants men rights).

I think gender should be irrelevant; it should just be based on physical capability.

*Smoking ban. Very much opposed to it.

Even if it's just for public spaces?
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3/18/2015 7:51:02 PM
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At 3/18/2015 7:42:09 PM, WillYouMarryMe wrote:
At 3/18/2015 7:31:58 PM, YYW wrote:
My Big Issues:

Universal, single payer health care (PRO)
Higher education that is completely funded by taxpayers, and top-down educational reform more generally (PRO)
Gay rights (PRO - obviously)

Are those things you're willing to debate?

Are they issues that I'm willing to debate? Sure, but as a matter of practicality, health care and education are incredibly complex and they aren't really topics that lend themselves to specific debates on this site.

I mean, we can talk about them as normative issues (like, debate the issue of 'whether the US should adopt a single payer system') but debating the "how" of that policy, which is what I'm most principally interested in, isn't really well suited for this medium.

I'm interested in debating gay rights as well, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone I'd be willing to debate it with on DDO. Most, if not all, of DDO's best and brightest support gay rights. I'm not going to waste my time with an irrational homophobic zealot who opposes gay rights for religious reasons, or whatever, because those are all incredibly stupid perspectives and they're not worth my time.

There was a point when I'd be willing to hash out these things (when I had more free time) but now that my time is as constrained as it is, it would take both:

1. An exceptionally well phrased resolution, and
2. A challenged I deemed worth of my time.

I know that probably sounds really arrogant.... but I'm just telling you how it is.
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3/18/2015 7:52:03 PM
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At 3/18/2015 7:50:05 PM, WillYouMarryMe wrote:
At 3/18/2015 7:44:17 PM, TN05 wrote:
*Voting for US territories and DC. I think all territories should at least have a voting member in the House and more territorial autonomy.
*Either abolishing the draft or requiring women to sign up for it. I think it is fundamentally unjust that women, despite being allowed to do the same things as men, are granted their natural rights when they turn 18, while men only receive theirs after signing up for selective service (ie. government, not God/nature, grants men rights).

I think gender should be irrelevant; it should just be based on physical capability.

*Smoking ban. Very much opposed to it.

Even if it's just for public spaces?

On government land, I don't see a huge problem. I don't agree with in being banned in private property, unless the property owner wants it banned.
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3/18/2015 7:56:13 PM
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At 3/18/2015 7:47:35 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/18/2015 7:44:07 PM, YYW wrote:
I guess in that light, I am very strongly in favor of organized labor (even though I think teachers unions have destroyed American education and continue to wreak political havoc on communities). Granted, I do not think that teachers unions are inherently bad, but they have uniquely caused an astronomically high level of damage, and continue to do so, and if I could unilaterally disband them I would.

Do you think people should be obligated to join unions, especially when they contribute money to one group and one group only?

That really depends on the industry, although not joining a union is incredibly stupid. I don't think government workers should be obliged to join unions, but I have no issue requiring private workers in some private industries (like, low-skilled and skilled manual labor positions) to unionize because it resolves a collective action problem.

Also, do you see an issue with the fact public sector unions and politicians can effectively form a corrupt circle (unions fund politicians, who grant the unions lots of taxpayer-funed pensions, which the unions use to fund politicians, and so on)?

I think that Republicans in non-union states have an unreasonable view of how unions work, and I think that if North Carolina, for example, had unions, there might actually be a functioning middle class outside of Raleigh and Charlotte... but I digress.

But really, I would much rather politicians be able to receive money from unions than from corporations for the reason that unions represent the interests of the working class, whereas corporations advocate only for themselves.

And again, I have zero sympathy for corporations beyond the extent to which they can provide a reasonably decent standard of living for their employees and contribute to the community in which they exist.
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3/18/2015 7:58:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/18/2015 7:45:49 PM, TN05 wrote:
You were a Republican?

Yes, although not the kind of Republican that you're used too. Back when Bush was in office, there were sort of three kinds of Republicans: (1) Movement Conservatives (read: the base), (2) the establishment (read: the Bush's and the Romneys), and (3) Northern and Californian Republicans (read: socially apathetic or liberal and economically concerned people). I was of the third category, but that changed in 2012.
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3/18/2015 7:59:42 PM
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At 3/18/2015 7:56:13 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/18/2015 7:47:35 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/18/2015 7:44:07 PM, YYW wrote:
I guess in that light, I am very strongly in favor of organized labor (even though I think teachers unions have destroyed American education and continue to wreak political havoc on communities). Granted, I do not think that teachers unions are inherently bad, but they have uniquely caused an astronomically high level of damage, and continue to do so, and if I could unilaterally disband them I would.

Do you think people should be obligated to join unions, especially when they contribute money to one group and one group only?

That really depends on the industry, although not joining a union is incredibly stupid. I don't think government workers should be obliged to join unions, but I have no issue requiring private workers in some private industries (like, low-skilled and skilled manual labor positions) to unionize because it resolves a collective action problem.

It's not stupid if you don't want your money going to an organization you don't support.

Also, do you see an issue with the fact public sector unions and politicians can effectively form a corrupt circle (unions fund politicians, who grant the unions lots of taxpayer-funed pensions, which the unions use to fund politicians, and so on)?

I think that Republicans in non-union states have an unreasonable view of how unions work, and I think that if North Carolina, for example, had unions, there might actually be a functioning middle class outside of Raleigh and Charlotte... but I digress.

If unions offered North Carolina voters anything we wanted, they'd be around here. Most of us don't want our money taken from us and given to a party we don't support.

But really, I would much rather politicians be able to receive money from unions than from corporations for the reason that unions represent the interests of the working class, whereas corporations advocate only for themselves.

Unions don't support the working class - they support the workers in their industry, especially the older ones. Younger workers are first on the chopping block.

And again, I have zero sympathy for corporations beyond the extent to which they can provide a reasonably decent standard of living for their employees and contribute to the community in which they exist.

I don't really care much for corporations or rich people either. Doesn't mean you have to take their money.