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5/22/2015 2:32:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Here it is: Do not ever, under any circumstances - I don't care if it's life or death, or if he's holding your prized copy of Keynes's The General Theory hostage - waive your night kill. Don't pull a Mestari, don't try to be a hero, don't claim bulletproof ex post facto. It won't work, and will only result in your untimely lynch.

That is all.
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5/22/2015 2:54:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2015 2:32:36 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
Here it is: Do not ever, under any circumstances - I don't care if it's life or death, or if he's holding your prized copy of Keynes's The General Theory hostage - waive your night kill. Don't pull a Mestari, don't try to be a hero, don't claim bulletproof ex post facto. It won't work, and will only result in your untimely lynch.

That is all.

That is a horrible book.
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5/22/2015 2:55:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2015 2:54:55 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 5/22/2015 2:32:36 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
Here it is: Do not ever, under any circumstances - I don't care if it's life or death, or if he's holding your prized copy of Keynes's The General Theory hostage - waive your night kill. Don't pull a Mestari, don't try to be a hero, don't claim bulletproof ex post facto. It won't work, and will only result in your untimely lynch.

That is all.

That is a horrible book.

NK Lannan
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5/22/2015 2:56:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2015 2:55:22 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
At 5/22/2015 2:54:55 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 5/22/2015 2:32:36 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
Here it is: Do not ever, under any circumstances - I don't care if it's life or death, or if he's holding your prized copy of Keynes's The General Theory hostage - waive your night kill. Don't pull a Mestari, don't try to be a hero, don't claim bulletproof ex post facto. It won't work, and will only result in your untimely lynch.

That is all.

That is a horrible book.

NK Lannan

His theories are flawed and based off of rediculous and obvious observations. Anyone could've seen that Scandinavia was going to recover the fastest after the war. That's because they weren't affected by the war.
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If the sky's the limit then why do we have footprints on the Moon? I'm shooting my aspirations for the stars.

"If you are going through hell, keep going." "Sir Winston Churchill

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." "Eleanor Roosevelt

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5/22/2015 3:00:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2015 2:56:35 PM, lannan13 wrote:
His theories are flawed and based off of rediculous and obvious observations.

What in particular are you referring to? If you accept anything as intuitive as the AD-AS model - which is, indeed, Hicksian, bastardized Keynesianism - then you buy Keynes.

Anyone could've seen that Scandinavia was going to recover the fastest after the war. That's because they weren't affected by the war.

I agree with this to some effect, but it's beside the point. Are you willing to say that AD doesn't matter? You don't need to support a Sweden-esque expansion of the public sector to think that NGDP shocks are important.
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5/22/2015 6:34:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2015 2:32:36 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
Here it is: Do not ever, under any circumstances - I don't care if it's life or death, or if he's holding your prized copy of Keynes's The General Theory hostage - waive your night kill. Don't pull a Mestari, don't try to be a hero, don't claim bulletproof ex post facto. It won't work, and will only result in your untimely lynch.

That is all.

I've done it before with great results. It entirely depends on the situation.
: At 10/2/2017 3:00:43 AM, YYW wrote:
: Bossy: You are Regina.

:Inferno wrote:
:You sound rather gay.

-- And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

"I believe that my powers of mind are surely such that I would have become in a
certain sense a resolver of all problems. I do not believe that I could have remained in
error anywhere for long. I believe that I would have earned the name of Redeemer,
because I had the nature of a Redeemer. "
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5/22/2015 6:39:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2015 6:34:59 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 5/22/2015 2:32:36 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
Here it is: Do not ever, under any circumstances - I don't care if it's life or death, or if he's holding your prized copy of Keynes's The General Theory hostage - waive your night kill. Don't pull a Mestari, don't try to be a hero, don't claim bulletproof ex post facto. It won't work, and will only result in your untimely lynch.

That is all.

I've done it before with great results. It entirely depends on the situation.

I'd love to hear the full scenario(s).
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5/22/2015 6:59:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2015 6:39:23 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
At 5/22/2015 6:34:59 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 5/22/2015 2:32:36 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
Here it is: Do not ever, under any circumstances - I don't care if it's life or death, or if he's holding your prized copy of Keynes's The General Theory hostage - waive your night kill. Don't pull a Mestari, don't try to be a hero, don't claim bulletproof ex post facto. It won't work, and will only result in your untimely lynch.

That is all.

I've done it before with great results. It entirely depends on the situation.

I'd love to hear the full scenario(s).

Here one that I've just made up:

4 players remaining, the townies have either confirmed their roles or you've rolecopped them or whatever, and you know that there's no doc. The DP ends, you waive, and then the next DP you claim that you're doc and you protected yourself. That's a huge help.
: At 10/2/2017 3:00:43 AM, YYW wrote:
: Bossy: You are Regina.

:Inferno wrote:
:You sound rather gay.

-- And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

"I believe that my powers of mind are surely such that I would have become in a
certain sense a resolver of all problems. I do not believe that I could have remained in
error anywhere for long. I believe that I would have earned the name of Redeemer,
because I had the nature of a Redeemer. "
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5/22/2015 7:05:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2015 6:59:58 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 5/22/2015 6:39:23 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
At 5/22/2015 6:34:59 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 5/22/2015 2:32:36 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
Here it is: Do not ever, under any circumstances - I don't care if it's life or death, or if he's holding your prized copy of Keynes's The General Theory hostage - waive your night kill. Don't pull a Mestari, don't try to be a hero, don't claim bulletproof ex post facto. It won't work, and will only result in your untimely lynch.

That is all.

I've done it before with great results. It entirely depends on the situation.

I'd love to hear the full scenario(s).

Here one that I've just made up:

4 players remaining, the townies have either confirmed their roles or you've rolecopped them or whatever, and you know that there's no doc. The DP ends, you waive, and then the next DP you claim that you're doc and you protected yourself. That's a huge help.

Fair enough, but if everyone else is confirmed, isn't it nevertheless a toss-up?

One scenario I considered was in an open setup with several BP's. Actually, that's what prompted me to make this thread. I waived the night kill and then claimed to have been hit - because in EM you're told - and still got lynched.

Granted, I fcked up royally, but that's beside the point, lol.
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5/22/2015 7:19:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2015 7:05:00 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
At 5/22/2015 6:59:58 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 5/22/2015 6:39:23 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
At 5/22/2015 6:34:59 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 5/22/2015 2:32:36 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
Here it is: Do not ever, under any circumstances - I don't care if it's life or death, or if he's holding your prized copy of Keynes's The General Theory hostage - waive your night kill. Don't pull a Mestari, don't try to be a hero, don't claim bulletproof ex post facto. It won't work, and will only result in your untimely lynch.

That is all.

I've done it before with great results. It entirely depends on the situation.

I'd love to hear the full scenario(s).

Here one that I've just made up:

4 players remaining, the townies have either confirmed their roles or you've rolecopped them or whatever, and you know that there's no doc. The DP ends, you waive, and then the next DP you claim that you're doc and you protected yourself. That's a huge help.

Fair enough, but if everyone else is confirmed, isn't it nevertheless a toss-up?
Well, I mean, a doc claim is less likely to be lynched than anyone else, especially if the doc "proved" himself by saving someone.
One scenario I considered was in an open setup with several BP's. Actually, that's what prompted me to make this thread. I waived the night kill and then claimed to have been hit - because in EM you're told - and still got lynched.

Granted, I fcked up royally, but that's beside the point, lol.

Your problem was that you were on EM, lol.
: At 10/2/2017 3:00:43 AM, YYW wrote:
: Bossy: You are Regina.

:Inferno wrote:
:You sound rather gay.

-- And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

"I believe that my powers of mind are surely such that I would have become in a
certain sense a resolver of all problems. I do not believe that I could have remained in
error anywhere for long. I believe that I would have earned the name of Redeemer,
because I had the nature of a Redeemer. "
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5/22/2015 7:20:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2015 7:19:00 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 5/22/2015 7:05:00 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
At 5/22/2015 6:59:58 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 5/22/2015 6:39:23 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
At 5/22/2015 6:34:59 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 5/22/2015 2:32:36 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
Here it is: Do not ever, under any circumstances - I don't care if it's life or death, or if he's holding your prized copy of Keynes's The General Theory hostage - waive your night kill. Don't pull a Mestari, don't try to be a hero, don't claim bulletproof ex post facto. It won't work, and will only result in your untimely lynch.

That is all.

I've done it before with great results. It entirely depends on the situation.

I'd love to hear the full scenario(s).

Here one that I've just made up:

4 players remaining, the townies have either confirmed their roles or you've rolecopped them or whatever, and you know that there's no doc. The DP ends, you waive, and then the next DP you claim that you're doc and you protected yourself. That's a huge help.

Fair enough, but if everyone else is confirmed, isn't it nevertheless a toss-up?
Well, I mean, a doc claim is less likely to be lynched than anyone else, especially if the doc "proved" himself by saving someone.

Not necessarily, because then that person becomes embroiled in questions of "why didn't you protect X person two night phases ago?" It would require retroactively justifying past "decisions."

One scenario I considered was in an open setup with several BP's. Actually, that's what prompted me to make this thread. I waived the night kill and then claimed to have been hit - because in EM you're told - and still got lynched.

Granted, I fcked up royally, but that's beside the point, lol.

Your problem was that you were on EM, lol.

That may be the case.
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5/22/2015 7:24:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2015 7:20:53 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
At 5/22/2015 7:19:00 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 5/22/2015 7:05:00 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
At 5/22/2015 6:59:58 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 5/22/2015 6:39:23 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
At 5/22/2015 6:34:59 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 5/22/2015 2:32:36 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
Here it is: Do not ever, under any circumstances - I don't care if it's life or death, or if he's holding your prized copy of Keynes's The General Theory hostage - waive your night kill. Don't pull a Mestari, don't try to be a hero, don't claim bulletproof ex post facto. It won't work, and will only result in your untimely lynch.

That is all.

I've done it before with great results. It entirely depends on the situation.

I'd love to hear the full scenario(s).

Here one that I've just made up:

4 players remaining, the townies have either confirmed their roles or you've rolecopped them or whatever, and you know that there's no doc. The DP ends, you waive, and then the next DP you claim that you're doc and you protected yourself. That's a huge help.

Fair enough, but if everyone else is confirmed, isn't it nevertheless a toss-up?
Well, I mean, a doc claim is less likely to be lynched than anyone else, especially if the doc "proved" himself by saving someone.

Not necessarily, because then that person becomes embroiled in questions of "why didn't you protect X person two night phases ago?" It would require retroactively justifying past "decisions."
That's better than claiming vanilla or whatever else in that situation.
One scenario I considered was in an open setup with several BP's. Actually, that's what prompted me to make this thread. I waived the night kill and then claimed to have been hit - because in EM you're told - and still got lynched.

Granted, I fcked up royally, but that's beside the point, lol.

Your problem was that you were on EM, lol.

That may be the case.
: At 10/2/2017 3:00:43 AM, YYW wrote:
: Bossy: You are Regina.

:Inferno wrote:
:You sound rather gay.

-- And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

"I believe that my powers of mind are surely such that I would have become in a
certain sense a resolver of all problems. I do not believe that I could have remained in
error anywhere for long. I believe that I would have earned the name of Redeemer,
because I had the nature of a Redeemer. "
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5/22/2015 7:25:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2015 7:24:29 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 5/22/2015 7:20:53 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
At 5/22/2015 7:19:00 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 5/22/2015 7:05:00 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
At 5/22/2015 6:59:58 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 5/22/2015 6:39:23 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
At 5/22/2015 6:34:59 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 5/22/2015 2:32:36 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
Here it is: Do not ever, under any circumstances - I don't care if it's life or death, or if he's holding your prized copy of Keynes's The General Theory hostage - waive your night kill. Don't pull a Mestari, don't try to be a hero, don't claim bulletproof ex post facto. It won't work, and will only result in your untimely lynch.

That is all.

I've done it before with great results. It entirely depends on the situation.

I'd love to hear the full scenario(s).

Here one that I've just made up:

4 players remaining, the townies have either confirmed their roles or you've rolecopped them or whatever, and you know that there's no doc. The DP ends, you waive, and then the next DP you claim that you're doc and you protected yourself. That's a huge help.

Fair enough, but if everyone else is confirmed, isn't it nevertheless a toss-up?
Well, I mean, a doc claim is less likely to be lynched than anyone else, especially if the doc "proved" himself by saving someone.

Not necessarily, because then that person becomes embroiled in questions of "why didn't you protect X person two night phases ago?" It would require retroactively justifying past "decisions."
That's better than claiming vanilla or whatever else in that situation.

I mean, a lot of things are better than claiming vanilla, lol. You could insert any Mestari fake claim, and that would be better than claiming vanilla.

One scenario I considered was in an open setup with several BP's. Actually, that's what prompted me to make this thread. I waived the night kill and then claimed to have been hit - because in EM you're told - and still got lynched.

Granted, I fcked up royally, but that's beside the point, lol.

Your problem was that you were on EM, lol.

That may be the case.
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