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twsurber
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10/3/2010 5:58:59 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Resolved: The abuse of illegal drugs ought to be treated as a matter of public health, not of criminal justice.

If there is a law against illegal drugs ( thus the term illegal) doesn't that compel a punishment? Otherwise, drugs would have to become legal in order to treat abusers without also giving a consequence.

This is gonna be interesting to prepare for.
LaissezFaire
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10/3/2010 10:57:50 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I think it means currently illegal drugs. And if anyone's interested in doing this, I'll debate the public health side of the issue.
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10/3/2010 11:12:24 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/3/2010 10:57:50 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
I think it means currently illegal drugs.

Nope, LD (Lincoln-Douglass) is a high school debate that is philosophical and theoretical. You can make arguments regarding the status quo but at the end of the day you have to defend a case that achieves a value that you advocate such as morality, utilitarianism, human welfare, etc. It never refers explicitly to anything; it's always trying to question something philosophically.
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10/3/2010 11:13:59 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Why wouldn't you simply treat their health issue in jail? Even if it's diagnosed as a disease it doesn't change the illegality. Kleptomania is considered a mental disorder but it doesn't eliminate the validity of the crime.
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10/3/2010 11:15:26 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
To clarify, since I'm unfamiliar with this type of debate, can I take the public health side of the topic and argue that currently illegal recreational drugs should be legalized?
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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10/3/2010 11:20:00 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/3/2010 11:15:26 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
To clarify, since I'm unfamiliar with this type of debate, can I take the public health side of the topic and argue that currently illegal recreational drugs should be legalized?

I don't think that is the core argument. The argument would follow that those who are dependent on illegal drugs should not be incarcerated because it is not a legal issue but rather a public health issue.
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10/3/2010 11:22:42 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/3/2010 11:20:00 AM, innomen wrote:
At 10/3/2010 11:15:26 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
To clarify, since I'm unfamiliar with this type of debate, can I take the public health side of the topic and argue that currently illegal recreational drugs should be legalized?

I don't think that is the core argument. The argument would follow that those who are dependent on illegal drugs should not be incarcerated because it is not a legal issue but rather a public health issue.

That's what I'd be arguing. That it should be treated as a matter of public health, and thus the best policy is legalization. Or do I have to just be really vague and only say that it should be treated as a matter of public health, without recommending any actual policy?
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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10/3/2010 11:26:43 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/3/2010 11:22:42 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 10/3/2010 11:20:00 AM, innomen wrote:
At 10/3/2010 11:15:26 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
To clarify, since I'm unfamiliar with this type of debate, can I take the public health side of the topic and argue that currently illegal recreational drugs should be legalized?

I don't think that is the core argument. The argument would follow that those who are dependent on illegal drugs should not be incarcerated because it is not a legal issue but rather a public health issue.

That's what I'd be arguing. That it should be treated as a matter of public health, and thus the best policy is legalization. Or do I have to just be really vague and only say that it should be treated as a matter of public health, without recommending any actual policy?

You're assuming that it's a public health issue for all users. I don't get that from the OP. I also don't believe it to be true.
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10/3/2010 11:32:17 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/3/2010 11:26:43 AM, innomen wrote:
At 10/3/2010 11:22:42 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 10/3/2010 11:20:00 AM, innomen wrote:
At 10/3/2010 11:15:26 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
To clarify, since I'm unfamiliar with this type of debate, can I take the public health side of the topic and argue that currently illegal recreational drugs should be legalized?

I don't think that is the core argument. The argument would follow that those who are dependent on illegal drugs should not be incarcerated because it is not a legal issue but rather a public health issue.

That's what I'd be arguing. That it should be treated as a matter of public health, and thus the best policy is legalization. Or do I have to just be really vague and only say that it should be treated as a matter of public health, without recommending any actual policy?

You're assuming that it's a public health issue for all users. I don't get that from the OP. I also don't believe it to be true.
I don't see how I'm assuming that it's a public health issue for all users. I'm saying that overall drug policy should treat drugs as a matter of public health, and that thus, legalization is the best option, overall. It doesn't mean that drugs are a public health issue for all drug users, it just means that the goal of overall public health is maximized through legalization. Anyway, it IS potentially a public health issue for all drug users, because black market drugs are often tainted and dangerous.
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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10/3/2010 11:38:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/3/2010 11:32:17 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 10/3/2010 11:26:43 AM, innomen wrote:
At 10/3/2010 11:22:42 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 10/3/2010 11:20:00 AM, innomen wrote:
At 10/3/2010 11:15:26 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
To clarify, since I'm unfamiliar with this type of debate, can I take the public health side of the topic and argue that currently illegal recreational drugs should be legalized?

I don't think that is the core argument. The argument would follow that those who are dependent on illegal drugs should not be incarcerated because it is not a legal issue but rather a public health issue.

That's what I'd be arguing. That it should be treated as a matter of public health, and thus the best policy is legalization. Or do I have to just be really vague and only say that it should be treated as a matter of public health, without recommending any actual policy?

You're assuming that it's a public health issue for all users. I don't get that from the OP. I also don't believe it to be true.
I don't see how I'm assuming that it's a public health issue for all users. I'm saying that overall drug policy should treat drugs as a matter of public health, and that thus, legalization is the best option, overall. It doesn't mean that drugs are a public health issue for all drug users, it just means that the goal of overall public health is maximized through legalization. Anyway, it IS potentially a public health issue for all drug users, because black market drugs are often tainted and dangerous.

First of all, the OP specifically uses the word "abuse", and connecting abuse to a public health issues is clear. Legalizing drugs (which means for everyone) via a reason of it being a public health issue for abusers is illogical. Secondly, the black market argument is a stretch, and ignores the "abuse" qualifier in the OP. Furthermore, society is not responsible for the personal risks that people take when engaging in illegal activity; any connection to that would be a stretch.
m93samman
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10/3/2010 11:46:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/3/2010 11:15:26 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
To clarify, since I'm unfamiliar with this type of debate, can I take the public health side of the topic and argue that currently illegal recreational drugs should be legalized?

You can argue whatever you want; here is what you need to know fundamentally http://en.wikipedia.org...
: At 4/15/2011 5:29:37 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
: Pascal's wager is for poosies.
:
: I mean that sincerly, because it's basically an argument from poooosie.
:
: I'm pretty sure that's like a fallacy.. Argument ad Pussium or something like that.
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10/3/2010 11:48:06 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/3/2010 11:46:13 AM, m93samman wrote:
At 10/3/2010 11:15:26 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
To clarify, since I'm unfamiliar with this type of debate, can I take the public health side of the topic and argue that currently illegal recreational drugs should be legalized?

You can argue whatever you want; here is what you need to know fundamentally http://en.wikipedia.org...

Thanks. Could you give me a link to an example of this type of debate on this website?
Should we subsidize education?
http://www.debate.org...

http://mises.org...

http://lewrockwell.com...

http://antiwar.com...

: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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10/3/2010 4:16:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/3/2010 11:48:06 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 10/3/2010 11:46:13 AM, m93samman wrote:
At 10/3/2010 11:15:26 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
To clarify, since I'm unfamiliar with this type of debate, can I take the public health side of the topic and argue that currently illegal recreational drugs should be legalized?

You can argue whatever you want; here is what you need to know fundamentally http://en.wikipedia.org...

Thanks. Could you give me a link to an example of this type of debate on this website?

http://www.debate.org...