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The Office Mafia Day Phase #4

I-am-a-panda
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10/6/2010 10:03:03 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
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Alive Players:

1. SportsGuru
6. tvellalott
8. Kinesis
9. Chrysippus
10. sac8
14. oceanix
15. Vi_Veri
16. JBlake

Graveyard:

13. xxdarkxx
2. theLwerd
5. Korashk
12. BQP
3. Alex
11. mongoose
4. Innomen
7. Leafrod

Mongoose - You are Ryan Howard, the Mafia Godfather. You have started the anti-Scranton posse, and want the entire branch shut down. You control the Mafias night kill and will come up innocent in investigations. You win when all pro-town parties have been eliminated.

Innomen - You are Angela Martin, the Faith Healer. A devout Christian, you reject most modern medical practices and prefer to heal people through their soul. Once a night you can target someone with a 50% chance you will protect them. You win when all anti-town parties have been eliminated.

Leafrod - You are Oscar Martinez, the Politician. Being a Hispanic homosexual, you can keep anyone quiet on the pretence of libel. You may steal someones vote once per night and use it on anyone,. You win when all anti-town parties have been eliminated.

5 Votes needed to lynch. DP ends 9 October 6pm GMT
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10/6/2010 10:18:20 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
First.

Another mafia down, but we lost the Doctor too. To quote all six Star wars movies, "I have a bad feeling about this."
Cavete mea inexorabilis legiones mimus!
studentathletechristian8
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10/6/2010 10:29:36 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/6/2010 10:18:20 AM, Chrysippus wrote:
First.

Another mafia down, but we lost the Doctor too. To quote all six Star wars movies, "I have a bad feeling about this."

It's not necessarily the doctor.

He had a very limited role, as did I have a limited protection role as well.
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10/6/2010 10:37:33 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
1. SportsGuru - Dwight Schrute
6. tvellalott- Toby Flenderson
8. Kinesis - Bob Vance
9. Chrysippus - Kelly Kapoor
10. sac8 - Daryll Philbin
14. oceanix - Kevin Malone
15. Vi_Veri - Pam Beasly
16. Jblake
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10/6/2010 10:38:49 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
1. SportsGuru - Dwight Schrute - Vig
6. tvellalott- Toby Flenderson
8. Kinesis - Bob Vance - Vanilla
9. Chrysippus - Kelly Kapoor
10. sac8 - Daryll Philbin - Security Guard type role, lost power
14. oceanix - Kevin Malone
15. Vi_Veri - Pam Beasly - Watcher
16. Jblake - HAS MADE NO CLAIM

I don't remember if the rest gave roles or not.
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10/6/2010 10:42:56 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Townie: (At least in my book)
1) SportsGuru
2) Vi_Veri
3) sac8

Leaning somewhat on townie:
1) Chrysippus
2) oceanix

Don't know:
1) tvellalott

Suspicious:
1) Kinesis - immediately jumped into conversation last day phase and provided us with a character and (vanilla) role claim.
2) JBlake - he participated in the last day phase, but gave no claim whatsoever.

Vote JBlake
Kinesis
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10/6/2010 11:14:00 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/6/2010 10:42:56 AM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Townie: (At least in my book)
1) SportsGuru
2) Vi_Veri
3) sac8

Leaning somewhat on townie:
1) Chrysippus
2) oceanix

Don't know:
1) tvellalott

Suspicious:
1) Kinesis - immediately jumped into conversation last day phase and provided us with a character and (vanilla) role claim.
2) JBlake - he participated in the last day phase, but gave no claim whatsoever.

Vote JBlake

lmao, you are by far the most suspicious character right now with that ridiculous role claim.

This is my first game ever, I didn't realise people rarely give away their character and roles straight away without being pressured to. It's hardly suspicious, just n00bish.
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10/6/2010 1:57:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
"lmao, you are by far the most suspicious character right now with that ridiculous role claim.

This is my first game ever, I didn't realise people rarely give away their character and roles straight away without being pressured to. It's hardly suspicious, just n00bish."

I bet JBlake or your fellow mafioso told you to type something like that.

Too many players are willing to believe the "noob" excuse. Thus, your more experienced mafia member probably told you to simply play the noob card when you play suspiciously.

Plus, you gave only a vanilla claim.

If we get more pressure for you (which we should), I would like to see the whole claim that Panda gave you.

Unvote

Vote Kinesis

Plus, you need to realize that Kinesis only focused on me. He did not mention anything about a SUSPICIOUS JBlake who came in here, knew we wanted character claims at least, AND GAVE US NOTHING.

Kinesis and JBlake could easily be the last two mafia members. For some reason, I don't exactly believe JBlake to be mafia, but he's playing like he is, and it kind of makes sense for him to be one of the remaining mafia. He could easily use his experience to tell Kinesis what to do, especially regarding the "noob" excuse.
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10/6/2010 2:21:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I've made random mistakes throughout the game. This is not because I'm being elaborately manipulated by the mafia group to appear as a n00b because players are gullible to it. It is because I've been thrust into a new game as a townie (and thus no help) and have had to figure out how to play the game from random old blog posts by Panda and wiki pages about the original mafia game.

If anything, I would be more informed about the game if I were in constant contact with mafia, and would on their advice not do random and suspicious things like I've been constantly doing the whole game. >.>

I wholly agree that JBlake is one of the suspicious characters remaining in the game. However, we have hard evidence at this point that SAC8 has falsified his character claim. We should eliminate him first.
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10/6/2010 2:44:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/6/2010 2:21:21 PM, Kinesis wrote:
I've made random mistakes throughout the game. This is not because I'm being elaborately manipulated by the mafia group to appear as a n00b because players are gullible to it. It is because I've been thrust into a new game as a townie (and thus no help) and have had to figure out how to play the game from random old blog posts by Panda and wiki pages about the original mafia game.

If anything, I would be more informed about the game if I were in constant contact with mafia, and would on their advice not do random and suspicious things like I've been constantly doing the whole game. >.>

I wholly agree that JBlake is one of the suspicious characters remaining in the game. However, we have hard evidence at this point that SAC8 has falsified his character claim. We should eliminate him first.

Ha. We do not have any falsified evidence.

My character is Daryll Philbin. It is my true character, and no one has counter-claimed.
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10/6/2010 2:53:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/6/2010 2:21:21 PM, Kinesis wrote:
I've made random mistakes throughout the game. This is not because I'm being elaborately manipulated by the mafia group to appear as a n00b because players are gullible to it. It is because I've been thrust into a new game as a townie (and thus no help) and have had to figure out how to play the game from random old blog posts by Panda and wiki pages about the original mafia game.

If anything, I would be more informed about the game if I were in constant contact with mafia, and would on their advice not do random and suspicious things like I've been constantly doing the whole game. >.>

I wholly agree that JBlake is one of the suspicious characters remaining in the game. However, we have hard evidence at this point that SAC8 has falsified his character claim. We should eliminate him first.

Welcome to the world of Mafia.
If you want to rake up some quick experience, go and play http://www.epicmafia.com...
If you want to play some much more serious (sorry guys, but it's true) mafia games, go and play http://www.mafiascum.com...

Kinesis doesn't come across as newb mafia at all sac8. I did (and occasionally still do >_<) the exact same thing.
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studentathletechristian8
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10/6/2010 2:56:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/6/2010 2:53:01 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 10/6/2010 2:21:21 PM, Kinesis wrote:
I've made random mistakes throughout the game. This is not because I'm being elaborately manipulated by the mafia group to appear as a n00b because players are gullible to it. It is because I've been thrust into a new game as a townie (and thus no help) and have had to figure out how to play the game from random old blog posts by Panda and wiki pages about the original mafia game.

If anything, I would be more informed about the game if I were in constant contact with mafia, and would on their advice not do random and suspicious things like I've been constantly doing the whole game. >.>

I wholly agree that JBlake is one of the suspicious characters remaining in the game. However, we have hard evidence at this point that SAC8 has falsified his character claim. We should eliminate him first.

Welcome to the world of Mafia.
If you want to rake up some quick experience, go and play http://www.epicmafia.com...
If you want to play some much more serious (sorry guys, but it's true) mafia games, go and play http://www.mafiascum.com...

Kinesis doesn't come across as newb mafia at all sac8. I did (and occasionally still do >_<) the exact same thing.

Kinesis stated that he was a noob himself.
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10/6/2010 3:55:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/6/2010 10:42:56 AM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:

2) JBlake - he participated in the last day phase, but gave no claim whatsoever.

From near the end of last DP:

JBlake:
"At any rate, I am Hank Tate. I would imagine that my role would be easily enough identified."

So, really, we're at
1. SportsGuru - Dwight Schrute
6. tvellalott- Toby Flenderson
8. Kinesis - Bob Vance
9. Chrysippus - Kelly Kapoor
10. sac8 - Daryll Philbin
14. oceanix - Kevin Malone
15. Vi_Veri - Pam Beasly
16. Jblake - Hank Tate

All living players have claimed.
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10/6/2010 4:06:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/6/2010 3:55:40 PM, Chrysippus wrote:
At 10/6/2010 10:42:56 AM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:

2) JBlake - he participated in the last day phase, but gave no claim whatsoever.

From near the end of last DP:

JBlake:
"At any rate, I am Hank Tate. I would imagine that my role would be easily enough identified."

So, really, we're at
1. SportsGuru - Dwight Schrute
6. tvellalott- Toby Flenderson
8. Kinesis - Bob Vance
9. Chrysippus - Kelly Kapoor
10. sac8 - Daryll Philbin
14. oceanix - Kevin Malone
15. Vi_Veri - Pam Beasly
16. Jblake - Hank Tate

All living players have claimed.

My bad, JBlake. Now that I think about it, I do remember him claiming near the end, but since I did a quick read-through, I guess I couldn't find it.
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10/6/2010 4:16:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Robert "Bob" Vance (Robert R. Shafer) is Phyllis Lapin Vance's husband and owner of Vance Refrigeration, a neighboring tenant in the office park. His professional name is "Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration," evidenced by the officiator's dialogue in "Phyllis' Wedding". He always introduces himself as "Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration", most likely in an attempt to plug his business through the documentary. He is seen for the first time in "Christmas Party" and introduces himself to Kevin, Stanley, and Ryan in exactly that manner individually even though they were all standing next to each other. This leads Ryan to jokingly ask "So...what line of work are you in Bob?" It is implied that he is involved in illegal activities based on the facts that he was indicted by the grand jury and was seen having large amounts of cash readily available. On Valentine's Day, he sent a number of gifts to Phyllis at the office, each card signed with his tagline. He also supplied a mini-fridge as a "Casino Night" prize. In "Initiation", he referred to Michael and Stanley as "a pair of Marys" after they ordered Phyllis to get to the back of the pretzel line, instead of letting the two kiss. He is a friendly and helpful neighbor to Dunder Mifflin, including offering to pump the employees' car tires back full of air after Michael had flattened them in an attempt to create office camaraderie in "The Merger." When word gets out that the Scranton branch is shutting down, Bob offers to buy the Dunder Mifflin warehouse, therefore allowing all the workers there to keep their jobs. In "Ben Franklin" a bachelor party is held for him in the Dunder Mifflin warehouse before his wedding, but he refuses to be entertained by the stripper Michael hires. He eventually marries Phyllis in "Phyllis' Wedding," invites all her coworkers, and kicks Michael out after an embarrassing toast. In a deleted scene from "Women's Appreciation," he comes to the Dunder Mifflin office to comfort Phyllis after she is flashed, then takes her for a walk to calm her nerves.

He drives a GMC Yukon and is a Unitarian ("Fun Run"). He is portrayed as an attentive and dedicated husband who is deeply in love with Phyllis. During the wedding episode, Phyllis mentions "baby mama drama" because Bob's other family from Ho Chi Minh City is coming in, but this has not been mentioned otherwise. In the 2nd episode of the Outburst webisodes, Oscar mentioned that Bob had been indicted by a grand jury. However, Phyllis states that all the charges were dropped after none of the witnesses showed up. In the episode "Chair Model" Bob and three other members of "The Five Families," W.B. Jones, Bill Cress and Paul Faust convene to resolve a dispute over the parking lot brought before them by Kevin and Andy. In "Goodbye, Toby" Bob attends the going away party for Toby and in a deleted scene is shown giving Phyllis a large sum of cash so that her debut as head of the Party Planning Committee will be success. In "Crime Aid," Bob attends Michael's auction intent on winning the Bruce Springsteen tickets, but after a spirited bidding war with Dwight, ends up buying a hug from Phyllis for $1000. In "Blood Drive", he refers to Michael, Dwight, and Andy each as "that jackass", "that other jackass" and "that new jackass" respectively. In "Secret Santa", Phyllis threatens to "get Bob involved" to resolve her Santa role rivalry with Michael. Jim is confused about what Bob would do at first, but appears mildly alarmed when Phyllis recants, "Never mind, I shouldn't have said that."

It appears to me that Bob Vance was an adversary of both Michael and Dwight.

Suspicion remains on Kinesis.
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10/6/2010 4:22:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Several reasons to vote Kinesis:

1) Bob Vance is clearly anti-Michael and anti-Dwight. In this game, Michael was pro-town Governor, and Dwight is the Vigilante. As such, it is reasonable to assume that Vance is anti-town.

2) The wikipedia article provides a lot of information for Bob Vance. Why would he be vanilla in the first place for this game? First, this is a small mafia game, and already seeing several unique roles that Panda has used, it is hard to believe that there would be a vanilla role. Also, it seems that Vance had several confrontations with Michael and Dwight in which he attempted to BLOCK their power or authority. Bob Vance could easily be the roleblocker.

3) The fact that Kinesis completely ignored JBlake and came right after me. Everyone else has accepted my role as town, yet you are not moving from it. Probably because you want to keep pressure on me.

Vote for Kinesis.
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10/6/2010 4:34:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/6/2010 4:22:52 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
...Everyone else has accepted my role as town...

You keep saying that, almost as if you expect repetition to change our minds. I, for one, still believe you are likely mafia; and if anyone has forgotten the reasons we thrashed over for fifteen pages, I'm willing to repeat them in detail.

I want to hear what the other players have to say before I commit to any vote today. I think that, with good reasoning, today could be the last DP; if there were only four mafia to begin with, and we've killed two, we can conceivably kill the last two mafia today and tonight.
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10/6/2010 4:34:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
1. SportsGuru - Dwight Schrute - Town
6. tvellalott- Toby Flenderson - ehhhhhh
8. Kinesis - Bob Vance - PROBABLY MAFIA
9. Chrysippus - Kelly Kapoor - ehhhhhh, leaning towards town
10. sac8 - Daryll Philbin - Town
14. oceanix - Kevin Malone - leaning towards town
15. Vi_Veri - Pam Beasly - Town
16. Jblake - Hank Tate - I don't think so

Apparently, JBlake's character does something with security.

I heavily doubt this.

First of all, one of the dead players has a limited protection role.
I also had a protection role.

It wouldn't make sense for three people in a small mafia game to have protective roles.
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10/6/2010 5:27:39 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/6/2010 4:34:43 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
1. SportsGuru - Dwight Schrute - Town
6. tvellalott- Toby Flenderson - ehhhhhh
8. Kinesis - Bob Vance - PROBABLY MAFIA
9. Chrysippus - Kelly Kapoor - ehhhhhh, leaning towards town
10. sac8 - Daryll Philbin - Town
14. oceanix - Kevin Malone - leaning towards town
15. Vi_Veri - Pam Beasly - Town
16. Jblake - Hank Tate - I don't think so

Apparently, JBlake's character does something with security.

I heavily doubt this.

First of all, one of the dead players has a limited protection role.
I also had a protection role.

It wouldn't make sense for three people in a small mafia game to have protective roles.

Exactly. You role doesn't make any sense at all in a small game.

Strike that, your role doesn't make any sense at all. A one-time bodyguard role in a small game? And you used it (supposedly) on yourself first DP?? You weren't even under suspicion yet; we simply didn't know enough yet. You were still under the radar; why'd you use it on yourself?

Also, who could have attacked you that night? All the night kill roles we've seen used during the whole game were used that night, and none of them on you.

If we're posting lists of opinions, mine is as good as yours. Here it is:

1. SportsGuru - Dwight Schrute - Town. Pretty sure he's the Vigilante. Dwight is known to be fanatically loyal to Michael, and the role of Vigilante fits him perfectly. SG has also been a valuable and balanced player in this game; seems confirmed town.
6. tvellalott- Toby Flenderson - Probable town. Toby is shown in a sympathetic light, but seems to be at odds with Michael. tvellalott has done nothing to incite my suspicion.
8. Kinesis - Bob Vance - Probable town. The character is basically good (although Wikipedia notes he was once involved in illegal activities); but there are much more likely suspects among the living players. I do not recall having seen anything suspicious from Kinesis.
9. Chrysippus - Kelly Kapoor - Town. Kelly is known as one of the most popular characters in The Office, and is always portrayed in a sympathetic light.
10. sac8 - Daryll Philbin - Probable mafia. Claimed role does not match character, story has holes, and several other reasons. Might be a townie who misplayed a bad hand, though.
14. oceanix - Kevin Malone - Probable town. Kevin is not a character likely to be mafia, IMHO; and oceanix has not drawn suspicion on himself by his actions.
15. Vi_Veri - Pam Beasly - Lurker. Only participated once that I can recall. Not enough information.
16. Jblake - Hank Tate - Uncertain. Possible mafia. Head of security would be cop, if we hadn't already seen the Cop killed by the mafia. I'm dubious of this character claim; his absence from large portions of the game seem to have been adequately explained though (birthday).

My $.02, for what it's worth. These are, as I said, my opinions and the much condensed version of the reasoning behind them.
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10/6/2010 5:48:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
C, you are dead wrong.

First of all, Vi is Watcher. We verified it by the fact that she knew of BQP's actions before he got a chance to say, and he was townie.

Second of all, I am in no way mafioso.

Innomen's role was a unique protection role, and mine is the generic role that we get in every small mafia game with a little twist.

Honestly, you guys don't know what you're doing. It's been pretty clear that I am pro-town and definitely anti-town.

I suspected mongoose from the beginning of the last day phase, and it took you guys two hundred posts to agree with me. Guess what? He was mafia.

I am pretty sure Kinesis is mafia. You can easily tell by the reasoning I gave and the description of the wiki that he is ANTI-MICHAEL and ANTI-DWIGHT, who are the two most important townie roles.

Kinesis is almost certainly mafia. I can't believe you would even try to defend him as a townie and not me.

Suspicion:
1) Kinesis - Vote for him.
2) JBlake, C
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10/6/2010 5:52:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Also, who could have attacked you that night? All the night kill roles we've seen used during the whole game were used that night, and none of them on you.

Pretty muc this, sac8. Also, you think C is maf just because C thinks you're maf? Plus your inconsistency about dying when targeted and then surviving?
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10/6/2010 5:58:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/6/2010 5:52:17 PM, oceanix wrote:
Also, who could have attacked you that night? All the night kill roles we've seen used during the whole game were used that night, and none of them on you.

Pretty muc this, sac8. Also, you think C is maf just because C thinks you're maf? Plus your inconsistency about dying when targeted and then surviving?

I'm not suspecting him like I do Kinesis.

It's just annoying how the two of you are focusing so much time on trying to get rid of a FELLOW TOWNIE.
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10/6/2010 5:59:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/6/2010 5:52:17 PM, oceanix wrote:
Also, who could have attacked you that night? All the night kill roles we've seen used during the whole game were used that night, and none of them on you.

Pretty muc this, sac8. Also, you think C is maf just because C thinks you're maf? Plus your inconsistency about dying when targeted and then surviving?

There was no "inconsistency."

I got the night phases confused, but I corrected myself immediately after.