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The husband, wife, assasin, lover, boatman

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12/18/2015 3:37:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Long time ago, the husband needed to go to work. When he went out, the wife had crossed the river for the boat, and went to her lover's house. Then, it was time her husband needs to come back. She goes to the boatman. The boatman says to pay 50 cents. The wife has no money. The wife goes to the lover, and asks for money. The lover refuses. She goes past the bridge, and then the assassin kills the wife.

Who is most responsible for the wife's death?

Wife

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

Husband

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

Assassin

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

Lover

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

Boatman

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

If these get filled, I will tell what each one respresents for.
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12/18/2015 4:37:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Did you get this from The Pigman? That was a fun little read.
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12/18/2015 6:12:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/18/2015 4:55:04 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:
The assassin.

I mean...

He's an assassin.

This. He killed her.
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12/18/2015 8:53:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
From what I recall, the original story asks the reader to rank the participants in order of responsibility. It also includes additional details about the husband so he doesn't appear completely blameless (i.e., he ignored his wife's pleas for him not to leave).

In that case, from most to least responsible, I'd rank them as Assassin, Wife, Lover, Boatman, Husband.
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12/18/2015 8:54:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/18/2015 7:57:34 PM, Rosalie wrote:
The wife.

Interesting. Why do you think the wife is more responsible than the assassin?
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12/18/2015 8:58:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/18/2015 8:54:26 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 12/18/2015 7:57:34 PM, Rosalie wrote:
The wife.

Interesting. Why do you think the wife is more responsible than the assassin?

Because she was the one who chose to walk across the bridge. It also could have been the lovers fault. If he were to give her money, she wouldn't have had to cross the bridge.
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12/18/2015 9:03:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/18/2015 8:58:22 PM, Rosalie wrote:
At 12/18/2015 8:54:26 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 12/18/2015 7:57:34 PM, Rosalie wrote:
The wife.

Interesting. Why do you think the wife is more responsible than the assassin?

Because she was the one who chose to walk across the bridge. It also could have been the lovers fault. If he were to give her money, she wouldn't have had to cross the bridge.

So you would agree that, in potentially dangerous situations, murderers are less responsible for their victim's death than the victims themselves?
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12/18/2015 9:05:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/18/2015 9:03:54 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 12/18/2015 8:58:22 PM, Rosalie wrote:
At 12/18/2015 8:54:26 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 12/18/2015 7:57:34 PM, Rosalie wrote:
The wife.

Interesting. Why do you think the wife is more responsible than the assassin?

Because she was the one who chose to walk across the bridge. It also could have been the lovers fault. If he were to give her money, she wouldn't have had to cross the bridge.

So you would agree that, in potentially dangerous situations, murderers are less responsible for their victim's death than the victims themselves?

The more I think about it...the more I believe it's the lovers fault.

Anyways, don't do stupid things to get yourself killed.
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12/18/2015 9:07:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/18/2015 9:05:20 PM, Rosalie wrote:
At 12/18/2015 9:03:54 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 12/18/2015 8:58:22 PM, Rosalie wrote:
At 12/18/2015 8:54:26 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 12/18/2015 7:57:34 PM, Rosalie wrote:
The wife.

Interesting. Why do you think the wife is more responsible than the assassin?

Because she was the one who chose to walk across the bridge. It also could have been the lovers fault. If he were to give her money, she wouldn't have had to cross the bridge.

So you would agree that, in potentially dangerous situations, murderers are less responsible for their victim's death than the victims themselves?

The more I think about it...the more I believe it's the lovers fault.

Anyways, don't do stupid things to get yourself killed.

Had the woman survived, should she be charged for a crime for crossing the bridge? Should the lover be charged? The assassin?
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12/18/2015 9:42:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/18/2015 3:37:09 PM, fire_wings wrote:
Long time ago, the husband needed to go to work. When he went out, the wife had crossed the river for the boat, and went to her lover's house. Then, it was time her husband needs to come back. She goes to the boatman. The boatman says to pay 50 cents. The wife has no money. The wife goes to the lover, and asks for money. The lover refuses. She goes past the bridge, and then the assassin kills the wife.

Who is most responsible for the wife's death?

The assassin is the one who killed the wife, and is thus the only one responsible for her death. Being a busy husband, cheating spouse, stingy boatman, or selfish lover does not equate to being a murderer (unless, of course, it was one of them who hired the assassin).
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12/18/2015 9:49:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I would say it's the assassin's fault. Whoever hired him would be the second person responsible (whether it's the husband or the boatman is unclear). The wife would be the next responsible, followed by the lover. If the husband didn't hire the assassin, he's not at any fault but I feel like there's something missing from the story if we're supposed to be ranking them.
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12/19/2015 9:10:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/18/2015 4:37:28 PM, Maikuru wrote:
Did you get this from The Pigman? That was a fun little read.

Yeah. Just tried to see your opinions.
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12/19/2015 3:31:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/19/2015 9:10:54 AM, fire_wings wrote:
At 12/18/2015 4:37:28 PM, Maikuru wrote:
Did you get this from The Pigman? That was a fun little read.

Yeah. Just tried to see your opinions.

Cool. What's your opinion on it?

I look forward to you posting what each one represents. I forgot that detail.
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12/19/2015 3:49:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/18/2015 9:05:20 PM, Rosalie wrote:
At 12/18/2015 9:03:54 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 12/18/2015 8:58:22 PM, Rosalie wrote:
At 12/18/2015 8:54:26 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 12/18/2015 7:57:34 PM, Rosalie wrote:
The wife.

Interesting. Why do you think the wife is more responsible than the assassin?

Because she was the one who chose to walk across the bridge. It also could have been the lovers fault. If he were to give her money, she wouldn't have had to cross the bridge.

So you would agree that, in potentially dangerous situations, murderers are less responsible for their victim's death than the victims themselves?

The more I think about it...the more I believe it's the lovers fault.

Anyways, don't do stupid things to get yourself killed.

No body did anything stupid to get themself killed.
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12/19/2015 3:52:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/19/2015 3:31:17 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 12/19/2015 9:10:54 AM, fire_wings wrote:
At 12/18/2015 4:37:28 PM, Maikuru wrote:
Did you get this from The Pigman? That was a fun little read.

Yeah. Just tried to see your opinions.

Cool. What's your opinion on it?

I look forward to you posting what each one represents. I forgot that detail.

Me, the Lover.
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12/19/2015 3:54:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/18/2015 9:49:18 PM, lamerde wrote:
I would say it's the assassin's fault. Whoever hired him would be the second person responsible (whether it's the husband or the boatman is unclear). The wife would be the next responsible, followed by the lover. If the husband didn't hire the assassin, he's not at any fault but I feel like there's something missing from the story if we're supposed to be ranking them.

I never thought about who hired the assassin. Twist!
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12/20/2015 12:11:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/19/2015 3:52:29 PM, fire_wings wrote:
At 12/19/2015 3:31:17 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 12/19/2015 9:10:54 AM, fire_wings wrote:
At 12/18/2015 4:37:28 PM, Maikuru wrote:
Did you get this from The Pigman? That was a fun little read.

Yeah. Just tried to see your opinions.

Cool. What's your opinion on it?

I look forward to you posting what each one represents. I forgot that detail.

Me, the Lover.

Cool. Why the lover?
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12/20/2015 3:40:55 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
1. Why does her lover refuse to give up 50 cents?
2. Why doesn't she have 50 cents on her?
3. Why does she need the services of the boatman whenever there's a bridge?
4. Why does the boatman only charge her 50 cents?
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12/20/2015 3:44:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
However, I think I can confidently say that it wasn't the boatman, seeing as how he had no motive for doing so (unless he was paid by someone else to kill her).
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12/20/2015 3:51:31 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Wait: just realized that this isn't a whodunnit question. My bad.
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12/20/2015 8:45:57 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Your example assumes the act of the assassin has all the moral significance of an unfortunate lightning strike. No, the assassin is a free moral agent and is directly and solely responsible for the death.

Furthermore, there is a reasonable limit to where the appropriation of blame can be levied. Take this example:
>I buy a faulty alarm clock from a deceptive manufacturer
>I wake up half an hour late on the day of my job interview
>I rush out the door and forget to put out food for the dog and shut the gate
>I run across the road without looking
>A driver who runs a red light swerves to avoid my dog, who is was in pursuit
>I get struck and die.

Blaming the Husband in your example is like charging the manufacturer for my manslaughter. Indirect causation carries no moral worth. You could theoretically claim that an event that occurred millions of years ago, ie. a fight between two males over a female primate eventually led to the rise of hitler. Do we blame that far back for the genocides? Clearly not.
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12/20/2015 11:30:31 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/20/2015 12:11:54 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 12/19/2015 3:52:29 PM, fire_wings wrote:
At 12/19/2015 3:31:17 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 12/19/2015 9:10:54 AM, fire_wings wrote:
At 12/18/2015 4:37:28 PM, Maikuru wrote:
Did you get this from The Pigman? That was a fun little read.

Yeah. Just tried to see your opinions.

Cool. What's your opinion on it?

I look forward to you posting what each one represents. I forgot that detail.

Me, the Lover.

Cool. Why the lover?

Because the wife and the lover liked each other, and when the wife wanted 50 cents to go past the river, the lover said no. The lover is basically rejecting the wife, after they had like each other.
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12/20/2015 6:09:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Assassin >>>>> Wife > Lover > Boatsman >>>>>> Husband.
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12/20/2015 11:35:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/18/2015 3:37:09 PM, fire_wings wrote:
Long time ago, the husband needed to go to work. When he went out, the wife had crossed the river for the boat, and went to her lover's house. Then, it was time her husband needs to come back. She goes to the boatman. The boatman says to pay 50 cents. The wife has no money. The wife goes to the lover, and asks for money. The lover refuses. She goes past the bridge, and then the assassin kills the wife.

?!? The assassin is a bit of a non-sequitur here. We have a little story then suddenly an assassin jumps out of nowhere and kills the woman. Who hired & paid the assassin? Why did the assassin kill the woman? Was the assassin going to kill her regardless?