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10/22/2010 9:17:38 AM
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Does anyone think that they might be teaching children that everyone gets a happy ending?

Not that I believe that, the thought just crossed my mind while readin this thread...
http://www.debate.org...
(Lovelife's comment about Mulan)
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10/22/2010 9:23:24 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/22/2010 9:17:38 AM, devinni01841 wrote:
Does anyone think that they might be teaching children that everyone gets a happy ending?

Not that I believe that, the thought just crossed my mind while readin this thread...
http://www.debate.org...
(Lovelife's comment about Mulan)

Most likely. Disney takes a bunch of not happy stories and makes it happy. Or at least takes out the morbidity.
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10/22/2010 9:46:40 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
not that happy children are a bad thing, but the good person doesn't always win in the end
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10/22/2010 10:18:35 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/22/2010 9:46:40 AM, devinni01841 wrote:
not that happy children are a bad thing, but the good person doesn't always win in the end

Yeah. Lion King 2, like Romeo and Juliet, without the whole suicide thing, and a lot less death really.
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10/22/2010 11:54:33 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/22/2010 9:46:40 AM, devinni01841 wrote:
not that happy children are a bad thing, but the good person doesn't always win in the end

really? like which one?
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10/22/2010 1:32:49 PM
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Does anyone think that they might be teaching children that everyone gets a happy ending?
Why, are the police paying them as part of a massage parlor sting operation long term?
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10/22/2010 1:46:41 PM
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I can't remember which one, I think it's Cinderella though. Anyway, the tale of Cinderella actually have very morbid origins. The real story is nothing like the Disney version. I know in the real one the stepmother and stepsisters cut off parts of their feet to try to fit the slipper.
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10/22/2010 3:51:20 PM
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At 10/22/2010 1:32:49 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Does anyone think that they might be teaching children that everyone gets a happy ending?
Why, are the police paying them as part of a massage parlor sting operation long term?

LOLOLOL
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10/24/2010 9:47:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/22/2010 11:54:33 AM, Loserboi wrote:
At 10/22/2010 9:46:40 AM, devinni01841 wrote:
not that happy children are a bad thing, but the good person doesn't always win in the end

really? like which one?

In stories or in life?
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10/26/2010 8:29:57 AM
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At 10/22/2010 1:46:41 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I can't remember which one, I think it's Cinderella though. Anyway, the tale of Cinderella actually have very morbid origins. The real story is nothing like the Disney version. I know in the real one the stepmother and stepsisters cut off parts of their feet to try to fit the slipper.

Yes, the version by the brothers Grimm
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10/26/2010 8:31:06 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/24/2010 9:47:37 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 10/22/2010 11:54:33 AM, Loserboi wrote:
At 10/22/2010 9:46:40 AM, devinni01841 wrote:
not that happy children are a bad thing, but the good person doesn't always win in the end

really? like which one?

In stories or in life?

I meant in real life... sorry for any confusion
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10/26/2010 8:48:19 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/22/2010 9:46:40 AM, devinni01841 wrote:
not that happy children are a bad thing, but the good person doesn't always win in the end

sure they do, but the end is not always in this life.

even if your an atheist, that can still hold true in the secular since. 'not always in this life' would just refer to the foundation you set up for those who come after rather than your spiritual state of existence after your death.

So even if you personally do not see your happy ending, you descendants may, or the descendants of others, or maybe just the people still alive that are not even related to you but are what your cause was for. look at John Brown (civil war period) http://en.wikipedia.org...
He fought for abolition of slavery. that was the happy ending he was going after. And slavery was abolished, though he did not live to see it. History will remember him forever for his efforts too that set the wheels in motion to eliminate slavery.
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10/26/2010 8:52:41 AM
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At 10/22/2010 9:17:38 AM, devinni01841 wrote:
Does anyone think that they might be teaching children that everyone gets a happy ending?


Just like in real life!
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10/26/2010 9:57:19 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/26/2010 8:48:19 AM, Marauder wrote:
At 10/22/2010 9:46:40 AM, devinni01841 wrote:
not that happy children are a bad thing, but the good person doesn't always win in the end

sure they do, but the end is not always in this life.

even if your an atheist, that can still hold true in the secular since. 'not always in this life' would just refer to the foundation you set up for those who come after rather than your spiritual state of existence after your death.

So even if you personally do not see your happy ending, you descendants may, or the descendants of others, or maybe just the people still alive that are not even related to you but are what your cause was for. look at John Brown (civil war period) http://en.wikipedia.org...
He fought for abolition of slavery. that was the happy ending he was going after. And slavery was abolished, though he did not live to see it. History will remember him forever for his efforts too that set the wheels in motion to eliminate slavery.

umm you're getting too technical, Maurader, children tend to think in literal terms, and not "well my great grand children will think it's happy"

What I'm saying is that not everyone gets to marry prince charming, and not every evil stepsister is punsished in the end.
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10/26/2010 9:58:10 AM
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At 10/26/2010 8:52:41 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 10/22/2010 9:17:38 AM, devinni01841 wrote:
Does anyone think that they might be teaching children that everyone gets a happy ending?


Just like in real life!

Everyone gets a happy ending?? Everyone? I don't think so.
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10/26/2010 10:39:39 AM
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At 10/26/2010 8:31:06 AM, devinni01841 wrote:
At 10/24/2010 9:47:37 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 10/22/2010 11:54:33 AM, Loserboi wrote:
At 10/22/2010 9:46:40 AM, devinni01841 wrote:
not that happy children are a bad thing, but the good person doesn't always win in the end

really? like which one?

In stories or in life?

I meant in real life... sorry for any confusion

Well good guys not winning in real life happens all the time.
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10/26/2010 10:46:31 AM
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At 10/26/2010 8:48:19 AM, Marauder wrote:
At 10/22/2010 9:46:40 AM, devinni01841 wrote:
not that happy children are a bad thing, but the good person doesn't always win in the end

sure they do, but the end is not always in this life.

even if your an atheist, that can still hold true in the secular since. 'not always in this life' would just refer to the foundation you set up for those who come after rather than your spiritual state of existence after your death.

Okay.

So even if you personally do not see your happy ending, you descendants may, or the descendants of others, or maybe just the people still alive that are not even related to you but are what your cause was for. look at John Brown (civil war period) http://en.wikipedia.org...
He fought for abolition of slavery. that was the happy ending he was going after. And slavery was abolished, though he did not live to see it. History will remember him forever for his efforts too that set the wheels in motion to eliminate slavery.

Lol at first it sounded like "kill yourself so your friends and family would be happier and the world would be better" but all its really saying is that someone somewhere will be happy at sometime.
I was thinking more like you get the job you want, you get to marry the love of your life, and those that wronged you get punished, which is what fairy tales tend to teach kids. I don't think I've seen a fairy tale involve the good guy dying and then his great-grandkids were happy.
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10/26/2010 11:08:26 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/22/2010 9:23:24 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 10/22/2010 9:17:38 AM, devinni01841 wrote:
Does anyone think that they might be teaching children that everyone gets a happy ending?

Not that I believe that, the thought just crossed my mind while readin this thread...
http://www.debate.org...
(Lovelife's comment about Mulan)

Most likely. Disney takes a bunch of not happy stories and makes it happy. Or at least takes out the morbidity.

ha ha! D'you think? They initially commenced with convivial fabrications such as those featuring Mickey Mouse. Once broaching the classic fairytales, censoring the content and ensuring that the tale was acceptable for children became obligatory to the success of Walt Disney studios. :P Grimm's Fairytales matched the name quite well. If one might notice, in Peter Pan, Captain Hook never actually makes a decisive stab at Peter - that would be too horrifying. :P
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10/26/2010 11:40:04 AM
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At 10/26/2010 11:08:26 AM, 1stLordofTheVenerability wrote:
At 10/22/2010 9:23:24 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 10/22/2010 9:17:38 AM, devinni01841 wrote:
Does anyone think that they might be teaching children that everyone gets a happy ending?

Not that I believe that, the thought just crossed my mind while readin this thread...
http://www.debate.org...
(Lovelife's comment about Mulan)

Most likely. Disney takes a bunch of not happy stories and makes it happy. Or at least takes out the morbidity.

ha ha! D'you think? They initially commenced with convivial fabrications such as those featuring Mickey Mouse. Once broaching the classic fairytales, censoring the content and ensuring that the tale was acceptable for children became obligatory to the success of Walt Disney studios. :P Grimm's Fairytales matched the name quite well. If one might notice, in Peter Pan, Captain Hook never actually makes a decisive stab at Peter - that would be too horrifying. :P

Yeah lol. Disney is to fairy tales what 4kids is to anime.
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10/28/2010 7:03:05 AM
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At 10/26/2010 10:39:39 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 10/26/2010 8:31:06 AM, devinni01841 wrote:
At 10/24/2010 9:47:37 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 10/22/2010 11:54:33 AM, Loserboi wrote:
At 10/22/2010 9:46:40 AM, devinni01841 wrote:
not that happy children are a bad thing, but the good person doesn't always win in the end

really? like which one?

In stories or in life?

I meant in real life... sorry for any confusion

Well good guys not winning in real life happens all the time.

that was my point, lovelife
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10/28/2010 7:44:50 AM
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At 10/26/2010 10:46:31 AM, lovelife wrote:
I don't think I've seen a fairy tale involve the good guy dying and then his great-grandkids were happy.

Time to write a fairy tale...

Sounds like they inherited a lot, eh?
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10/28/2010 8:53:35 AM
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At 10/28/2010 7:44:50 AM, Chrysippus wrote:
At 10/26/2010 10:46:31 AM, lovelife wrote:
I don't think I've seen a fairy tale involve the good guy dying and then his great-grandkids were happy.

Time to write a fairy tale...

Sounds like they inherited a lot, eh?

Nah. Not when they are killed or whatever just by being there.
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Sure they may not stay dead, but they are killed by their father....
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10/28/2010 9:29:00 AM
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At 10/26/2010 11:08:26 AM, 1stLordofTheVenerability wrote:
At 10/22/2010 9:23:24 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 10/22/2010 9:17:38 AM, devinni01841 wrote:
Does anyone think that they might be teaching children that everyone gets a happy ending?

Not that I believe that, the thought just crossed my mind while readin this thread...
http://www.debate.org...
(Lovelife's comment about Mulan)

Most likely. Disney takes a bunch of not happy stories and makes it happy. Or at least takes out the morbidity.

ha ha! D'you think? They initially commenced with convivial fabrications such as those featuring Mickey Mouse. Once broaching the classic fairytales, censoring the content and ensuring that the tale was acceptable for children became obligatory to the success of Walt Disney studios. :P Grimm's Fairytales matched the name quite well. If one might notice, in Peter Pan, Captain Hook never actually makes a decisive stab at Peter - that would be too horrifying. :P

He does kill the man playing the accordion in cold blood on his ship with his gun.
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10/28/2010 9:32:10 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/26/2010 9:57:19 AM, devinni01841 wrote:
At 10/26/2010 8:48:19 AM, Marauder wrote:
At 10/22/2010 9:46:40 AM, devinni01841 wrote:
not that happy children are a bad thing, but the good person doesn't always win in the end

sure they do, but the end is not always in this life.

even if your an atheist, that can still hold true in the secular since. 'not always in this life' would just refer to the foundation you set up for those who come after rather than your spiritual state of existence after your death.

So even if you personally do not see your happy ending, you descendants may, or the descendants of others, or maybe just the people still alive that are not even related to you but are what your cause was for. look at John Brown (civil war period) http://en.wikipedia.org...
He fought for abolition of slavery. that was the happy ending he was going after. And slavery was abolished, though he did not live to see it. History will remember him forever for his efforts too that set the wheels in motion to eliminate slavery.

umm you're getting too technical, Maurader, children tend to think in literal terms, and not "well my great grand children will think it's happy"

What I'm saying is that not everyone gets to marry prince charming, and not every evil stepsister is punsished in the end.

Kid's do not think in literal terms, espically when watching cartoons. if they take away anything it only general terms. and that gives them things like 'persevere, be strong and thing will work out for the better eventually.' or even more general 'perseverance pays off'
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

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11/1/2010 9:42:50 AM
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At 10/28/2010 9:32:10 AM, Marauder wrote:
Kid's do not think in literal terms, espically when watching cartoons. if they take away anything it only general terms. and that gives them things like 'persevere, be strong and thing will work out for the better eventually.' or even more general 'perseverance pays off'

Perhaps I meant in short term... it was early, and I was tired...
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