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innomen
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3/2/2011 10:11:50 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
http://www.latimes.com...

This is such a messed up story. $800,000 a year to prevent a prisoner who is on a respirator from escaping a hospital. 50 Mullion dollars a year for 25 prisoners in a similar case.

"The guards watching Ortiz one day last week said department policy requires one corrections officer at the foot of his bed around the clock and another guard at the door. A sergeant also has to be there, to supervise. "Some of this is ridiculous, but you can't argue with policy," said Corrections Officer Allan Roper"

Any wonder why unions are under fire?
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3/2/2011 1:29:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Pathetic. Truly highlights government inefficiency and union extortion.
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3/3/2011 4:51:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 4:49:49 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
If he's paralyzed and bed-ridden how could he even get up to try to escape anyway? Just a thought.

"you can't argue with policy"
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3/3/2011 4:57:17 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 4:55:02 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Abolish prison.

Nope. Criminals deserve to be locked up away from the normal functioning members of society. Oh boy... Why did you even need to get me started on this anyway, Freedo? -__-
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3/3/2011 5:00:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 4:57:17 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:55:02 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Abolish prison.

Nope. Criminals deserve to be locked up away from the normal functioning members of society. Oh boy... Why did you even need to get me started on this anyway, Freedo? -__-

No one deserves anything. We are products of forces out our control. If want criminals to go away, stop making them.
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3/3/2011 5:04:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 5:00:46 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:57:17 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:55:02 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Abolish prison.

Nope. Criminals deserve to be locked up away from the normal functioning members of society. Oh boy... Why did you even need to get me started on this anyway, Freedo? -__-

No one deserves anything. We are products of forces out our control. If want criminals to go away, stop making them.

I'm wondering if you talk to people in real life like this. I'm guessing no.
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3/3/2011 5:05:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 5:00:46 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:57:17 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:55:02 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Abolish prison.

Nope. Criminals deserve to be locked up away from the normal functioning members of society. Oh boy... Why did you even need to get me started on this anyway, Freedo? -__-

No one deserves anything. We are products of forces out our control. If want criminals to go away, stop making them.

That is incredibly idealistic. There will always be criminals.
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3/3/2011 5:07:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 5:00:46 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:57:17 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:55:02 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Abolish prison.

Nope. Criminals deserve to be locked up away from the normal functioning members of society. Oh boy... Why did you even need to get me started on this anyway, Freedo? -__-

No one deserves anything. We are products of forces out our control. If want criminals to go away, stop making them.

The prison system creates incentives not to commit crimes or do actions that are harmful.
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3/3/2011 5:16:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 5:04:02 PM, innomen wrote:
At 3/3/2011 5:00:46 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:57:17 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:55:02 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Abolish prison.

Nope. Criminals deserve to be locked up away from the normal functioning members of society. Oh boy... Why did you even need to get me started on this anyway, Freedo? -__-

No one deserves anything. We are products of forces out our control. If want criminals to go away, stop making them.

I'm wondering if you talk to people in real life like this. I'm guessing no.

I do.
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3/3/2011 5:17:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 5:05:20 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/3/2011 5:00:46 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:57:17 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:55:02 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Abolish prison.

Nope. Criminals deserve to be locked up away from the normal functioning members of society. Oh boy... Why did you even need to get me started on this anyway, Freedo? -__-

No one deserves anything. We are products of forces out our control. If want criminals to go away, stop making them.

That is incredibly idealistic.

Thank you.
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3/3/2011 5:17:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 5:07:07 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 3/3/2011 5:00:46 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:57:17 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:55:02 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Abolish prison.

Nope. Criminals deserve to be locked up away from the normal functioning members of society. Oh boy... Why did you even need to get me started on this anyway, Freedo? -__-

No one deserves anything. We are products of forces out our control. If want criminals to go away, stop making them.

The prison system creates incentives not to commit crimes or do actions that are harmful.

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAROFLMAO
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3/3/2011 5:21:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 5:16:54 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 5:04:02 PM, innomen wrote:
At 3/3/2011 5:00:46 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:57:17 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:55:02 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Abolish prison.

Nope. Criminals deserve to be locked up away from the normal functioning members of society. Oh boy... Why did you even need to get me started on this anyway, Freedo? -__-

No one deserves anything. We are products of forces out our control. If want criminals to go away, stop making them.

I'm wondering if you talk to people in real life like this. I'm guessing no.

I do.

I doubt that, you'd be the biggest loser in school. You'd be the kid that sits in the corner of the cafeteria on the floor saying things to random people as they walk by. Those random people would also walk around an imaginary fence, to avoid getting too close to you, and if they saw that you made eye contact, they would walk a little faster, or turn back the way they came, pretending that they forgot something.
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3/3/2011 5:31:43 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 5:17:11 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 5:05:20 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/3/2011 5:00:46 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:57:17 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:55:02 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Abolish prison.

Nope. Criminals deserve to be locked up away from the normal functioning members of society. Oh boy... Why did you even need to get me started on this anyway, Freedo? -__-

No one deserves anything. We are products of forces out our control. If want criminals to go away, stop making them.

That is incredibly idealistic.

Thank you.

lol, that wasn't a compliment. I was criticizing your idealistic hippie utopia that'll never exist.
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3/3/2011 5:45:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 5:31:43 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/3/2011 5:17:11 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 5:05:20 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/3/2011 5:00:46 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:57:17 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:55:02 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Abolish prison.

Nope. Criminals deserve to be locked up away from the normal functioning members of society. Oh boy... Why did you even need to get me started on this anyway, Freedo? -__-

No one deserves anything. We are products of forces out our control. If want criminals to go away, stop making them.

That is incredibly idealistic.

Thank you.

lol, that wasn't a compliment. I was criticizing your idealistic hippie utopia that'll never exist.

It'll exist when every living thing is dead. I would say when every "human" is dead, but animals murder and steal from each other too.
"Wanting Red Rhino Pill to have gender"
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3/3/2011 10:40:56 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 5:17:39 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 5:07:07 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 3/3/2011 5:00:46 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:57:17 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:55:02 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Abolish prison.

Nope. Criminals deserve to be locked up away from the normal functioning members of society. Oh boy... Why did you even need to get me started on this anyway, Freedo? -__-

No one deserves anything. We are products of forces out our control. If want criminals to go away, stop making them.

The prison system creates incentives not to commit crimes or do actions that are harmful.

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAROFLMAO

Do you actually have anything substantial to state?
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3/4/2011 1:30:05 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 5:00:46 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:57:17 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:55:02 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Abolish prison.

Nope. Criminals deserve to be locked up away from the normal functioning members of society. Oh boy... Why did you even need to get me started on this anyway, Freedo? -__-

No one deserves anything. We are products of forces out our control. If want criminals to go away, stop making them.

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3/4/2011 4:01:23 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 5:16:54 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 5:04:02 PM, innomen wrote:
At 3/3/2011 5:00:46 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:57:17 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:55:02 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Abolish prison.

Nope. Criminals deserve to be locked up away from the normal functioning members of society. Oh boy... Why did you even need to get me started on this anyway, Freedo? -__-

No one deserves anything. We are products of forces out our control. If want criminals to go away, stop making them.

I'm wondering if you talk to people in real life like this. I'm guessing no.

I do.

Honestly, and i'm not beating up on you, as it may seem like i do that, but i'm not (I'm actually curious about how you reconcile things in your head), wouldn't you want to be taken seriously, if not here then in real life?
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3/4/2011 5:53:59 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 5:21:46 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 3/3/2011 5:16:54 PM, FREEDO wrote:

I do.

I doubt that, you'd be the biggest loser in school. You'd be the kid that sits in the corner of the cafeteria on the floor saying things to random people as they walk by. Those random people would also walk around an imaginary fence, to avoid getting too close to you, and if they saw that you made eye contact, they would walk a little faster, or turn back the way they came, pretending that they forgot something.

Lol.
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3/4/2011 11:12:42 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 5:21:46 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 3/3/2011 5:16:54 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 5:04:02 PM, innomen wrote:
At 3/3/2011 5:00:46 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:57:17 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:55:02 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Abolish prison.

Nope. Criminals deserve to be locked up away from the normal functioning members of society. Oh boy... Why did you even need to get me started on this anyway, Freedo? -__-

No one deserves anything. We are products of forces out our control. If want criminals to go away, stop making them.

I'm wondering if you talk to people in real life like this. I'm guessing no.

I do.

I doubt that, you'd be the biggest loser in school. You'd be the kid that sits in the corner of the cafeteria on the floor saying things to random people as they walk by. Those random people would also walk around an imaginary fence, to avoid getting too close to you, and if they saw that you made eye contact, they would walk a little faster, or turn back the way they came, pretending that they forgot something.

I actually cringed while reading this. Little harsh... >.>
I'm not back. This idiot just upset me which made me stop lurking.
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3/4/2011 11:33:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 5:00:46 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:57:17 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/3/2011 4:55:02 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Abolish prison.

Nope. Criminals deserve to be locked up away from the normal functioning members of society. Oh boy... Why did you even need to get me started on this anyway, Freedo? -__-

No one deserves anything. We are products of forces out our control. If want criminals to go away, stop making them.

And this kind of thinking is what determinism will get you.

People are the products of their own choices. You cannot necessarily control the external forces acting on you, but you bear full responsibility for your actions. People are criminals because they choose to act in a criminal fashion, not because they were misunderstood by their third-grade teacher.
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3/4/2011 11:40:24 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 5:21:46 PM, OreEle wrote:
I doubt that, you'd be the biggest loser in school. You'd be the kid that sits in the corner of the cafeteria on the floor saying things to random people as they walk by. Those random people would also walk around an imaginary fence, to avoid getting too close to you, and if they saw that you made eye contact, they would walk a little faster, or turn back the way they came, pretending that they forgot something.

Wow...you just summed up my school life :P
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3/5/2011 10:48:48 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Prison Pros and Cons

Pros: ??

Cons: Expensive, bureacratic, immoral

My girlfriend's mother had an exboyfriend that tried murdering her ten years ago or so. He has since promised to finish the job and also kill all of her "spawn" (children) - which would necessarily mean the person I sleep with every night and, necessarily by extension, me and my daughter. They put him in prison. He gets out on the 28th of this month.

If he hadn't been put in prison, this situation would have resolved long ago, before I met her. Now, this maniac has been hardeining in prison for the last decade, networking with criminals, plotting ways to accomplish his ends. His mind is being warped by the psychological conditioning within prisons. Any sensitivity or remorse he had before has now surely disappeared. Since our prisons and police system are absolutely useless at preventing crime, and only work to arrest people after they break the law, all I can do is sit back and wait to see if this guy is going to pay us a visit in the middle of the night sometime. I've considered buying a gun (I have a dog already) but there are children in the house and that seems like a bad idea.
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3/5/2011 10:52:57 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/5/2011 10:48:48 AM, Rob1_Billion wrote:
Prison Pros and Cons

Pros: ??

Cons: Expensive, bureacratic, immoral

My girlfriend's mother had an exboyfriend that tried murdering her ten years ago or so. He has since promised to finish the job and also kill all of her "spawn" (children) - which would necessarily mean the person I sleep with every night and, necessarily by extension, me and my daughter. They put him in prison. He gets out on the 28th of this month.

If he hadn't been put in prison, this situation would have resolved long ago, before I met her. Now, this maniac has been hardeining in prison for the last decade, networking with criminals, plotting ways to accomplish his ends. His mind is being warped by the psychological conditioning within prisons. Any sensitivity or remorse he had before has now surely disappeared. Since our prisons and police system are absolutely useless at preventing crime, and only work to arrest people after they break the law, all I can do is sit back and wait to see if this guy is going to pay us a visit in the middle of the night sometime. I've considered buying a gun (I have a dog already) but there are children in the house and that seems like a bad idea.

And you are undecided on the death penalty in your profile.