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3/14/2011 10:14:02 AM
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2011.03.12 (Kandahar, Afghanistan) - Four civilians are cut to shreds by a roadside bomb.
2011.03.12 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Seven Iraqi soldiers on their way to work are brutally machine-gunned in their car at point-blank range.
2011.03.12 (Itamar, Israel) - A baby and two young children are slaughtered in their home along with their parents, who fought the Muslims in vain to keep their children from being stabbed to death.
2011.03.12 (Hairdin, Pakistan) - A married couple and their four young children are turned into debris by an Islamist mortar attack on their home.
2011.03.11 (Karachi, Pakistan) - A seminary teacher is assassinated by sectarian rivals.
2011.03.10 (Peshawar, Pakistan) - Mujahideen fire on a car containing a peace committee contingent, killing the driver.
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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3/14/2011 11:29:14 AM
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the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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3/14/2011 11:43:37 AM
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Banker.....just because you witnessed the 9/11 attacks doesnt mean you have to discriminate against muslims. Sure their religion preaches violence blah blah blah. But so does every other religion in the world (except a few).

Christianity is the same thing as Islam the only difference is that Muslims actually do stuff.
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3/14/2011 3:44:43 PM
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At 3/14/2011 11:43:37 AM, Rockylightning wrote:
Banker.....just because you witnessed the 9/11 attacks doesnt mean you have to discriminate against muslims. Sure their religion preaches violence blah blah blah. But so does every other religion in the world (except a few).

Christianity is the same thing as Islam the only difference is that Muslims actually do stuff.

Nah, Christians do stuff, but Jesus would be cringing. Muslims do stuff and Muhammad would be proud. That's where the difference lies.
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3/14/2011 3:47:39 PM
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At 3/14/2011 3:44:43 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/14/2011 11:43:37 AM, Rockylightning wrote:
Banker.....just because you witnessed the 9/11 attacks doesnt mean you have to discriminate against muslims. Sure their religion preaches violence blah blah blah. But so does every other religion in the world (except a few).

Christianity is the same thing as Islam the only difference is that Muslims actually do stuff.

Nah, Christians do stuff, but Jesus would be cringing. Muslims do stuff and Muhammad would be proud. That's where the difference lies.
Why does not a single one of you here accept a debate challenge on the matter? We have had zero of such debates on this site. You don't know anything about the Prophet. He was the most virtuous man you can ever hear of.
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3/14/2011 3:50:10 PM
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At 3/14/2011 3:47:39 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 3/14/2011 3:44:43 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/14/2011 11:43:37 AM, Rockylightning wrote:
Banker.....just because you witnessed the 9/11 attacks doesnt mean you have to discriminate against muslims. Sure their religion preaches violence blah blah blah. But so does every other religion in the world (except a few).

Christianity is the same thing as Islam the only difference is that Muslims actually do stuff.

Nah, Christians do stuff, but Jesus would be cringing. Muslims do stuff and Muhammad would be proud. That's where the difference lies.
Why does not a single one of you here accept a debate challenge on the matter? We have had zero of such debates on this site. You don't know anything about the Prophet. He was the most virtuous man you can ever hear of.

Even virtuous prophets can have misguided, imperfect followers.
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3/14/2011 3:51:47 PM
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At 3/14/2011 3:50:10 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 3/14/2011 3:47:39 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 3/14/2011 3:44:43 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/14/2011 11:43:37 AM, Rockylightning wrote:
Banker.....just because you witnessed the 9/11 attacks doesnt mean you have to discriminate against muslims. Sure their religion preaches violence blah blah blah. But so does every other religion in the world (except a few).

Christianity is the same thing as Islam the only difference is that Muslims actually do stuff.

Nah, Christians do stuff, but Jesus would be cringing. Muslims do stuff and Muhammad would be proud. That's where the difference lies.
Why does not a single one of you here accept a debate challenge on the matter? We have had zero of such debates on this site. You don't know anything about the Prophet. He was the most virtuous man you can ever hear of.

Even virtuous prophets can have misguided, imperfect followers.
I totally agree. And I never disagreed that many Muslims are horrible people. In fact, I will not disagree if someone says that Muslims are the worst threat to Islam. Look how we all represent our religion. But, the Prophet (peace be upon him) was a virtuous man, and his earliest followers were also virtuous. We define Islam by their deeds, and not by those of Muslims today who die for politics.
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3/14/2011 3:56:13 PM
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At 3/14/2011 3:47:39 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 3/14/2011 3:44:43 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/14/2011 11:43:37 AM, Rockylightning wrote:
Banker.....just because you witnessed the 9/11 attacks doesnt mean you have to discriminate against muslims. Sure their religion preaches violence blah blah blah. But so does every other religion in the world (except a few).

Christianity is the same thing as Islam the only difference is that Muslims actually do stuff.

Nah, Christians do stuff, but Jesus would be cringing. Muslims do stuff and Muhammad would be proud. That's where the difference lies.
Why does not a single one of you here accept a debate challenge on the matter? We have had zero of such debates on this site. You don't know anything about the Prophet. He was the most virtuous man you can ever hear of.

I know more than you think...
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3/14/2011 3:58:25 PM
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At 3/14/2011 3:44:43 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/14/2011 11:43:37 AM, Rockylightning wrote:
Banker.....just because you witnessed the 9/11 attacks doesnt mean you have to discriminate against muslims. Sure their religion preaches violence blah blah blah. But so does every other religion in the world (except a few).

Christianity is the same thing as Islam the only difference is that Muslims actually do stuff.

Nah, Christians do stuff, but Jesus would be cringing. Muslims do stuff and Muhammad would be proud. That's where the difference lies.

Utterly false. Jesus would be clapping. Here's why:

Jesus = God. God committed global hydro-genocide which destroyed infants and animals alike. He also disintegrated an innocent woman into a pillar of salt. He destroyed a group of pagans for dancing. He commanded the pillaging, murder, and rape of entire villages.
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3/14/2011 4:00:02 PM
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At 3/14/2011 3:56:13 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/14/2011 3:47:39 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 3/14/2011 3:44:43 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/14/2011 11:43:37 AM, Rockylightning wrote:
Banker.....just because you witnessed the 9/11 attacks doesnt mean you have to discriminate against muslims. Sure their religion preaches violence blah blah blah. But so does every other religion in the world (except a few).

Christianity is the same thing as Islam the only difference is that Muslims actually do stuff.

Nah, Christians do stuff, but Jesus would be cringing. Muslims do stuff and Muhammad would be proud. That's where the difference lies.
Why does not a single one of you here accept a debate challenge on the matter? We have had zero of such debates on this site. You don't know anything about the Prophet. He was the most virtuous man you can ever hear of.

I know more than you think...
I'm in no way saying you (or anyone else) are dumb. However, I am perfectly certain that most of you know very little abut his life, except very general views like:

-> He lead wars
-> He had multiple wives

And so on. But, why did he lead wars? Nobody asks that properly. Can you name the man who disturbed the beloved Prophet during his prayer?
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3/14/2011 4:00:52 PM
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At 3/14/2011 3:58:25 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/14/2011 3:44:43 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/14/2011 11:43:37 AM, Rockylightning wrote:
Banker.....just because you witnessed the 9/11 attacks doesnt mean you have to discriminate against muslims. Sure their religion preaches violence blah blah blah. But so does every other religion in the world (except a few).

Christianity is the same thing as Islam the only difference is that Muslims actually do stuff.

Nah, Christians do stuff, but Jesus would be cringing. Muslims do stuff and Muhammad would be proud. That's where the difference lies.

Utterly false. Jesus would be clapping. Here's why:

Jesus = God. God committed global hydro-genocide which destroyed infants and animals alike. He also disintegrated an innocent woman into a pillar of salt. He destroyed a group of pagans for dancing. He commanded the pillaging, murder, and rape of entire villages.

That's Old Testament God though which somehow Jesus managed to change his law. No wonder Jews hated the guy.
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3/14/2011 4:01:26 PM
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At 3/14/2011 3:44:43 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/14/2011 11:43:37 AM, Rockylightning wrote:
Banker.....just because you witnessed the 9/11 attacks doesnt mean you have to discriminate against muslims. Sure their religion preaches violence blah blah blah. But so does every other religion in the world (except a few).

Christianity is the same thing as Islam the only difference is that Muslims actually do stuff.

Nah, Christians do stuff, but Jesus would be cringing. Muslims do stuff and Muhammad would be proud. That's where the difference lies.

Jesus cringed at all sorts of hypocrisy, not just violence.
In fact he was the greatest cringer of all time.
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3/14/2011 4:03:13 PM
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At 3/14/2011 3:44:43 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/14/2011 11:43:37 AM, Rockylightning wrote:
Banker.....just because you witnessed the 9/11 attacks doesnt mean you have to discriminate against muslims. Sure their religion preaches violence blah blah blah. But so does every other religion in the world (except a few).

Christianity is the same thing as Islam the only difference is that Muslims actually do stuff.

Nah, Christians do stuff, but Jesus would be cringing. Muslims do stuff and Muhammad would be proud. That's where the difference lies.
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3/14/2011 4:10:39 PM
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At 3/14/2011 4:00:52 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/14/2011 3:58:25 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/14/2011 3:44:43 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/14/2011 11:43:37 AM, Rockylightning wrote:
Banker.....just because you witnessed the 9/11 attacks doesnt mean you have to discriminate against muslims. Sure their religion preaches violence blah blah blah. But so does every other religion in the world (except a few).

Christianity is the same thing as Islam the only difference is that Muslims actually do stuff.

Nah, Christians do stuff, but Jesus would be cringing. Muslims do stuff and Muhammad would be proud. That's where the difference lies.

Utterly false. Jesus would be clapping. Here's why:

Jesus = God. God committed global hydro-genocide which destroyed infants and animals alike. He also disintegrated an innocent woman into a pillar of salt. He destroyed a group of pagans for dancing. He commanded the pillaging, murder, and rape of entire villages.

That's Old Testament God though which somehow Jesus managed to change his law.

No, no, no. Jesus IS the Old Testsment God according to Christian doctrine. Everything that OT God did, Jesus did.

And even still, Jesus said some nasty things in the New Testament as well. He said that he did not come to bring peace, but a sword and that if you don't own a sword, sell your cloak and by one. Also, did you forget that Revelations is in the NT? Lots of violent threats in there.
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3/14/2011 4:32:32 PM
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At 3/14/2011 3:47:39 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 3/14/2011 3:44:43 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/14/2011 11:43:37 AM, Rockylightning wrote:
Banker.....just because you witnessed the 9/11 attacks doesnt mean you have to discriminate against muslims. Sure their religion preaches violence blah blah blah. But so does every other religion in the world (except a few).

Christianity is the same thing as Islam the only difference is that Muslims actually do stuff.

Nah, Christians do stuff, but Jesus would be cringing. Muslims do stuff and Muhammad would be proud. That's where the difference lies.
Why does not a single one of you here accept a debate challenge on the matter? We have had zero of such debates on this site. You don't know anything about the Prophet. He was the most virtuous man you can ever hear of.

The only ones you offer are strawmen, you are all bluff and bluster.
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3/15/2011 5:02:06 PM
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At 3/14/2011 3:58:25 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/14/2011 3:44:43 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/14/2011 11:43:37 AM, Rockylightning wrote:
Banker.....just because you witnessed the 9/11 attacks doesnt mean you have to discriminate against muslims. Sure their religion preaches violence blah blah blah. But so does every other religion in the world (except a few).

Christianity is the same thing as Islam the only difference is that Muslims actually do stuff.

Nah, Christians do stuff, but Jesus would be cringing. Muslims do stuff and Muhammad would be proud. That's where the difference lies.

Utterly false. Jesus would be clapping. Here's why:

Jesus = God. God committed global hydro-genocide which destroyed infants and animals alike. He also disintegrated an innocent woman into a pillar of salt. He destroyed a group of pagans for dancing. He commanded the pillaging, murder, and rape of entire villages.

LOL
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3/15/2011 5:07:57 PM
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I do not claim to be a Biblical expert, but in the Sermon on the Mount Jesus said, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Mathew 5:17). I don't know where the idea that the Old Testament laws were abolished is actually from because Jesus does not seem to have said that.
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3/15/2011 8:41:07 PM
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Let's go to the core issue, the fact is that not most of muslims jihad terorize.! But all jihad terorizers are muslims..! Its not about how its in quoran.!! No.!! Its about how those terorists fullfill the comendmends of the quoran...!!

So grape if you still would like to hide under confusion and fear,exchange with mizra exerpts from quran and compare it with the bible..! But to be honest..!! ignoring facts about blaming a group that's persicuted for what their perpitrators do to them is confusion...!! : At 3/15/2011 5:07:57 PM, Grape wrote:
I do not claim to be a Biblical expert, but in the Sermon on the Mount Jesus said, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Mathew 5:17). I don't know where the idea that the Old Testament laws were abolished is actually from because Jesus does not seem to have said that.
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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3/16/2011 8:47:09 AM
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At 3/15/2011 5:07:57 PM, Grape wrote:
I do not claim to be a Biblical expert, but in the Sermon on the Mount Jesus said, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Mathew 5:17). I don't know where the idea that the Old Testament laws were abolished is actually from because Jesus does not seem to have said that.

When asked which of the old laws were most important he gave two new ones,. Also most of the old laws regard cleanliness and stuff like that. So in same move as making gentiles part of the new isreal, all "unclean" things (ie the old law) were made clean. He also strongly criticised the legalism of the pharisees.
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3/17/2011 5:07:17 AM
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The unimportance of your bible quortes could be demestrated by its followers disregarding them and moreover their valanteers missioneres who risk their life rescuing victims of jihad all over the globe..!! Yet the peacfull exerpts from islam is also nullified and unimportant thanks to its jihadist who fullfil its commandments to slash troathes of kids and bomb schools and use hospitals and sick people for human shields..! Tricks to confuze with quotes and confusion to promote this aganda with ignorance is treason..!: At 3/16/2011 8:47:09 AM, Thaddeus wrote:
At 3/15/2011 5:07:57 PM, Grape wrote:
I do not claim to be a Biblical expert, but in the Sermon on the Mount Jesus said, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Mathew 5:17). I don't know where the idea that the Old Testament laws were abolished is actually from because Jesus does not seem to have said that.

When asked which of the old laws were most important he gave two new ones,. Also most of the old laws regard cleanliness and stuff like that. So in same move as making gentiles part of the new isreal, all "unclean" things (ie the old law) were made clean. He also strongly criticised the legalism of the pharisees.
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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3/17/2011 4:38:01 PM
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The ironic thing is that people might be more inclined to listen to banker if he wasn't such an illiterate twat.
What fresh dickery is the internet up to today?
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3/17/2011 5:31:31 PM
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At 3/17/2011 4:38:01 PM, Veridas wrote:
The ironic thing is that people might be more inclined to listen to banker if he wasn't such an illiterate twat.
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3/28/2011 11:35:23 PM
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Martin Luther (as in the founder of the Lutheran church, not Martin Luther King, Jr., the famous civil rights activist) wrote many long, violent diatribes on why Jews should be killed. There are ... what, millions? ... of Lutherans who devote themselves to his violent teachings. His writings, and those of other Christians, are believed by a number of historians for having inspired Adolf Hitler's "final solution."

Islaam is working hard, but still has a very long way to go to approach equality with Christians for the amount of innocent blood spilt in the name of their beliefs.
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3/30/2011 9:04:05 AM
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At 3/28/2011 11:35:23 PM, PervRat wrote:
Martin Luther (as in the founder of the Lutheran church, not Martin Luther King, Jr., the famous civil rights activist) wrote many long, violent diatribes on why Jews should be killed. There are ... what, millions? ... of Lutherans who devote themselves to his violent teachings. His writings, and those of other Christians, are believed by a number of historians for having inspired Adolf Hitler's "final solution."

Islaam is working hard, but still has a very long way to go to approach equality with Christians for the amount of innocent blood spilt in the name of their beliefs.

What you said about Hitler isn't true. I am preety sure Hitler was an athiest.
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4/1/2011 4:10:21 AM
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What you said about Hitler isn't true. I am preety sure Hitler was an athiest.

No, he was definitely religious. It even says in Mein Kampf. It's usually hard for religious people to accept that one of the biggest mass murderers in history was religious. I'm not blaming religion though for Hitler's actions, keep that in mind.
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4/1/2011 12:18:34 PM
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At 3/14/2011 3:44:43 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/14/2011 11:43:37 AM, Rockylightning wrote:
Banker.....just because you witnessed the 9/11 attacks doesnt mean you have to discriminate against muslims. Sure their religion preaches violence blah blah blah. But so does every other religion in the world (except a few).

Christianity is the same thing as Islam the only difference is that Muslims actually do stuff.

Nah, Christians do stuff, but Jesus would be cringing. Muslims do stuff and Muhammad would be proud. That's where the difference lies.

Kill all Jews -- essentially the preaching of Martin Luther, founder of the Lutheran Church. How many Jews did Hitler, a student of those teachings, manage to cull?

Islam has a long way to go yet to catch up to all the innocent blood spilt by Christians in the name of their beliefs. History is replete with Christians exterminating non-Christians, from the Crusades to the Conquistadores and Manifest Destiny.

Pot, meet kettle.