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5/24/2011 12:47:02 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/24/2011 12:42:16 AM, belle wrote:
http://www.pvpulse.com...

Friggin' hippies.
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5/24/2011 12:48:44 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
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5/24/2011 2:33:09 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/24/2011 2:32:27 AM, FREEDO wrote:
Hey, I've actually got nothing bad to say about this. It's a bold experiment.

Unenforceable though...
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5/24/2011 2:33:17 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/24/2011 2:31:05 AM, FREEDO wrote:
Wait...so they'll all be fruitarians?

No. Apples and oranges have rights, too. Guess everyone will have to starve :/
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5/24/2011 6:51:56 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/24/2011 6:33:18 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Wait, so would eating fruits and vegetables mean you're committing murder?

No.

It's more designed as a meta law to create nature preservation. For example, if X company wants to log an area, that area can have legal representation to avoid it. Whether it remains at that scale is to be seen.
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5/24/2011 6:54:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/24/2011 6:33:18 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Wait, so would eating fruits and vegetables mean you're committing murder?
Actually the vegan logic should state that but I guess the vegans fail to realize that.
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5/24/2011 6:55:08 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/24/2011 6:54:28 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:33:18 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Wait, so would eating fruits and vegetables mean you're committing murder?
Actually the vegan logic should state that but I guess the vegans fail to realize that.

That is true. Vegans are murderers, they kill innocent plants!
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5/24/2011 6:57:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/24/2011 6:55:08 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:54:28 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:33:18 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Wait, so would eating fruits and vegetables mean you're committing murder?
Actually the vegan logic should state that but I guess the vegans fail to realize that.

That is true. Vegans are murderers, they kill innocent plants!

That's what Fruitarians say. They only eat things which naturally fall off the plant, so they don't kill it.
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5/24/2011 6:58:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/24/2011 6:55:08 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:54:28 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:33:18 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Wait, so would eating fruits and vegetables mean you're committing murder?
Actually the vegan logic should state that but I guess the vegans fail to realize that.

That is true. Vegans are murderers, they kill innocent plants!
That's true as long as anyone claims that eating animals is murder in any case.
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5/24/2011 7:06:38 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
How does this new law cope with damage caused to the environment from other life forms? Such as elephants destroying trees or other parts of the environment?
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5/24/2011 7:15:04 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/24/2011 6:55:08 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:54:28 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:33:18 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Wait, so would eating fruits and vegetables mean you're committing murder?
Actually the vegan logic should state that but I guess the vegans fail to realize that.

That is true. Vegans are murderers, they kill innocent plants!
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5/24/2011 7:16:52 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/24/2011 6:58:46 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:55:08 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:54:28 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:33:18 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Wait, so would eating fruits and vegetables mean you're committing murder?
Actually the vegan logic should state that but I guess the vegans fail to realize that.

That is true. Vegans are murderers, they kill innocent plants!
That's true as long as anyone claims that eating animals is murder in any case.

we have no good reason to think that plants can experience suffering, whereas we have very good reason to think that animals can. thats the basis of the vegan position (avoiding inflicting suffering), not a blanket prohibition against killing.
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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5/24/2011 7:23:35 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/24/2011 7:16:52 PM, belle wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:58:46 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:55:08 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:54:28 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:33:18 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Wait, so would eating fruits and vegetables mean you're committing murder?
Actually the vegan logic should state that but I guess the vegans fail to realize that.

That is true. Vegans are murderers, they kill innocent plants!
That's true as long as anyone claims that eating animals is murder in any case.

we have no good reason to think that plants can experience suffering, whereas we have very good reason to think that animals can. thats the basis of the vegan position (avoiding inflicting suffering), not a blanket prohibition against killing.

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com...
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5/24/2011 7:28:01 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/24/2011 7:16:52 PM, belle wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:58:46 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:55:08 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:54:28 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:33:18 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Wait, so would eating fruits and vegetables mean you're committing murder?
Actually the vegan logic should state that but I guess the vegans fail to realize that.

That is true. Vegans are murderers, they kill innocent plants!
That's true as long as anyone claims that eating animals is murder in any case.

we have no good reason to think that plants can experience suffering,
Debate?
belle
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5/24/2011 7:30:23 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/24/2011 7:28:01 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/24/2011 7:16:52 PM, belle wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:58:46 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:55:08 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:54:28 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/24/2011 6:33:18 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Wait, so would eating fruits and vegetables mean you're committing murder?
Actually the vegan logic should state that but I guess the vegans fail to realize that.

That is true. Vegans are murderers, they kill innocent plants!
That's true as long as anyone claims that eating animals is murder in any case.

we have no good reason to think that plants can experience suffering,
Debate?

sure, write up a challenge. no rush though... its finals week so i prolly won't accept til the weekend.
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
belle
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5/24/2011 7:40:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/24/2011 7:34:01 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/24/2011 7:23:35 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com...

oooh belle got pownd!

if mirza uses that link in the debate i will lmao
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Mirza
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5/24/2011 7:44:21 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/24/2011 7:40:50 PM, belle wrote:
At 5/24/2011 7:34:01 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/24/2011 7:23:35 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com...

oooh belle got pownd!

if mirza uses that link in the debate i will lmao
I won't put you in an unfair position. I have touched upon a few of the points I would make here: http://www.debate.org... If you concede, tell me. If not, I will challenge you on the topic "Platns Experience Emotions."
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5/24/2011 8:13:01 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/24/2011 7:40:50 PM, belle wrote:
At 5/24/2011 7:34:01 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/24/2011 7:23:35 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com...

oooh belle got pownd!

if mirza uses that link in the debate i will lmao

Ok I admit... this conclusion is pretty lollable....

"‘Plants are not as stupid as people think……in fact, in some ways their intelligence exceeds that of humans.' Perhaps, one day, we will be able to fully comprehend the ways in which plants communicate, and even open up dialogue with them. In the meantime, it would be in our own best interests to remember that plants, like ourselves, really do have ‘feelings', and that we should give them the respect they truly deserve."
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5/24/2011 8:14:37 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/24/2011 7:06:38 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
How does this new law cope with damage caused to the environment from other life forms? Such as elephants destroying trees or other parts of the environment?

It deals primarily with "ecosystems" and a largely undefined "harmony" concept. At a guess it cope with it at all, as in it doesn't care what non human activity impinges upon stability (short of larger climate change arguments).
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5/24/2011 8:24:21 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/24/2011 8:16:38 PM, Puck wrote:
At 5/24/2011 7:44:21 PM, Mirza wrote:
If you concede

lol
... to the fact that plants experience emotions. Thanks.
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5/24/2011 11:44:22 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/24/2011 8:14:37 PM, Puck wrote:
At 5/24/2011 7:06:38 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
How does this new law cope with damage caused to the environment from other life forms? Such as elephants destroying trees or other parts of the environment?

It deals primarily with "ecosystems" and a largely undefined "harmony" concept. At a guess it cope with it at all, as in it doesn't care what non human activity impinges upon stability (short of larger climate change arguments).

The problem I see is that people can be very myopic about how nature balances itself and how that balancing force in many ways is largely unaffected by mere human interactions over time. Sure humans can cause the extinction of species, but can we really prevent the emergence of new balancing species? I don't think we could.