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Is Fox News fair and balanced ?

inferno
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8/9/2011 11:34:10 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I dont seem to think so myself. I mean they do have a wide range of shows that do cover worldwide events and ones that are sometimess out of the arena of politics. But most people view Fox News as a Far Right network. And the themes and sentiments seem to be more to the Right than anything else. Not to mention the smorgasboard of primetime programs that are very rhetorical and repetitive in nature. It is all propaganda if you ask me just like all the other cable news networks.
So why is Fox News declaring that they are 'fair and balanced' when it is clear to everyone that they are not ? You cannot be fair and balanced when your own commentators and journalists make off hand and indirect and unpleasant remarks about Liberals. It does not make sense. Comments.
RoyLatham
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8/9/2011 12:47:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Jon Stewart, a strong Fox critic, was interviewed by Chris Wallace recently. Stewart admitted he didn't have a problem with Chris Wallace, Bret Baer, Billy O'Reilly, or in fact most of Fox News. The complaint was really that Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity are allowed on air. MSNBC has a much higher proportion of blatant ideologues, Maddow, et al, but that doesn't bother anyone on the Left.

Fox News is fair and balanced only relative to other television news outlets. Leftists don't get equal time on Fox, but they do get a voice. Right-wingers don't get a voice in the Leftist media. Even socialists get a voice on Fox - Prof Mark Hill is a regular on Fox. Libertarians get a voice on Fox (Stossel and Napolitano).

Fox attracts viewers by highlighting the clash of ideas. That's not something that you find on NPR, MSNBC, or CNN. NPR and CNN have a trace of it, but they live on stroking liberals by repeating leftist mantras.

I find faults with Fox. They pay way too much attention to tabloid "train wreck" stories for my taste. Hannity is pathetically repetitious. My favorite network is CSPAN2 and I stand solidly with the eleven other viewers of that network in praising them.
inferno
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8/9/2011 12:59:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/9/2011 12:47:50 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Jon Stewart, a strong Fox critic, was interviewed by Chris Wallace recently. Stewart admitted he didn't have a problem with Chris Wallace, Bret Baer, Billy O'Reilly, or in fact most of Fox News. The complaint was really that Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity are allowed on air. MSNBC has a much higher proportion of blatant ideologues, Maddow, et al, but that doesn't bother anyone on the Left.

Fox News is fair and balanced only relative to other television news outlets. Leftists don't get equal time on Fox, but they do get a voice. Right-wingers don't get a voice in the Leftist media. Even socialists get a voice on Fox - Prof Mark Hill is a regular on Fox. Libertarians get a voice on Fox (Stossel and Napolitano).

Fox attracts viewers by highlighting the clash of ideas. That's not something that you find on NPR, MSNBC, or CNN. NPR and CNN have a trace of it, but they live on stroking liberals by repeating leftist mantras.

I find faults with Fox. They pay way too much attention to tabloid "train wreck" stories for my taste. Hannity is pathetically repetitious. My favorite network is CSPAN2 and I stand solidly with the eleven other viewers of that network in praising them.

Roy. You are more for the non commercial genre of news. CSPAN is the absolute best in the business because they are fair and they are as authentic as you can possibly be. Fox News is too predictable and filled with propaganda to be digested by a true diversified thinking intellectual. This kind of nonsense only appeals to the jaded.
They love a good fight, so they will sit down and watch it for entertainment purposes soley. The informative element is not as appreciated as it once was back
in the old days.
RoyLatham
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8/10/2011 12:21:21 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/9/2011 12:59:54 PM, inferno wrote:
Fox News is too predictable and filled with propaganda to be digested by a true diversified thinking intellectual. This kind of nonsense only appeals to the jaded.

No, I don't agree at all. For example, it is a fact that there was no chance whatsoever that the US would default on its debt even if the debt ceiling was not raised. Income is ten times the debt service, so it just wouldn't happen. CNN and MSNBC never mentioned that fact, and their newscasters systematically referred to meeting the deadline to "prevent default." Fox gave the facts accurately, and it was about the only place to get them.

Conservatives care a great deal about facts, liberals do not. If you follow the discussions of the deficit on CNN and MSNBC you'll never hear a word about how much money might be obtained from removing tax breaks for oil or for corporate jets. The numbers are utterly trivial. You'll never hear about how many dollars that might be obtained by taxing the rich. It wouldn't solve 10% of the problem. The story plays much better to a liberal audience when presented without any factual data. Fox talks about the numbers.
darkkermit
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8/10/2011 12:30:17 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/10/2011 12:21:21 AM, RoyLatham wrote:
At 8/9/2011 12:59:54 PM, inferno wrote:
Fox News is too predictable and filled with propaganda to be digested by a true diversified thinking intellectual. This kind of nonsense only appeals to the jaded.

No, I don't agree at all. For example, it is a fact that there was no chance whatsoever that the US would default on its debt even if the debt ceiling was not raised. Income is ten times the debt service, so it just wouldn't happen. CNN and MSNBC never mentioned that fact, and their newscasters systematically referred to meeting the deadline to "prevent default." Fox gave the facts accurately, and it was about the only place to get them.

Conservatives care a great deal about facts, liberals do not. If you follow the discussions of the deficit on CNN and MSNBC you'll never hear a word about how much money might be obtained from removing tax breaks for oil or for corporate jets. The numbers are utterly trivial. You'll never hear about how many dollars that might be obtained by taxing the rich. It wouldn't solve 10% of the problem. The story plays much better to a liberal audience when presented without any factual data. Fox talks about the numbers.

Fiscally conservative maybe. However, socially conservative information is another story.
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RoyLatham
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8/10/2011 12:57:12 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/10/2011 12:30:17 AM, darkkermit wrote:
Fiscally conservative maybe. However, socially conservative information is another story.

Are you complaining about Fox's failure to say that marijuana is wonderful in every way imaginable and the greatest boon to health since penicillin? True.

However, remember when Obama gave the speech about the border fence being complete, and that the only thing left was a moat with alligators. Fox showed video of guys climbing over the fence without any need for a ladder. Also, a helicopter video following the fence showed that 20-foot gaps without gates were left in the fence at regular intervals "to allow ranchers to access their property." Do you think you could have seen that on CNN or MSNBC or NPR?
Wnope
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8/10/2011 12:59:04 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/9/2011 12:47:50 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Jon Stewart, a strong Fox critic, was interviewed by Chris Wallace recently. Stewart admitted he didn't have a problem with Chris Wallace, Bret Baer, Billy O'Reilly, or in fact most of Fox News. The complaint was really that Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity are allowed on air. MSNBC has a much higher proportion of blatant ideologues, Maddow, et al, but that doesn't bother anyone on the Left.

Fox News is fair and balanced only relative to other television news outlets. Leftists don't get equal time on Fox, but they do get a voice. Right-wingers don't get a voice in the Leftist media. Even socialists get a voice on Fox - Prof Mark Hill is a regular on Fox. Libertarians get a voice on Fox (Stossel and Napolitano).

Fox attracts viewers by highlighting the clash of ideas. That's not something that you find on NPR, MSNBC, or CNN. NPR and CNN have a trace of it, but they live on stroking liberals by repeating leftist mantras.

I find faults with Fox. They pay way too much attention to tabloid "train wreck" stories for my taste. Hannity is pathetically repetitious. My favorite network is CSPAN2 and I stand solidly with the eleven other viewers of that network in praising them.

In that same interview, Chris Wallace described Fox as a "counterweight" to the other (liberal) media outlets.

That is not fair and balanced. That's balancing.
tornshoe92
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8/10/2011 1:20:14 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/10/2011 12:57:12 AM, RoyLatham wrote:
At 8/10/2011 12:30:17 AM, darkkermit wrote:
Fiscally conservative maybe. However, socially conservative information is another story.

Are you complaining about Fox's failure to say that marijuana is wonderful in every way imaginable and the greatest boon to health since penicillin? True.

However, remember when Obama gave the speech about the border fence being complete, and that the only thing left was a moat with alligators. Fox showed video of guys climbing over the fence without any need for a ladder. Also, a helicopter video following the fence showed that 20-foot gaps without gates were left in the fence at regular intervals "to allow ranchers to access their property." Do you think you could have seen that on CNN or MSNBC or NPR?

There are plenty of other very interesting and pretty important stories that receive at least a moderate amount of coverage on Fox and receive little to no coverage on other news providers. The "Fast and Furious" ATF operation comes to mind along with the Alabama sheriff who has pretty much gone crazy and declared marshal law in his podunk town (can't remember the name of the town and googling is hard yo).
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RoyLatham
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8/10/2011 9:35:31 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/10/2011 12:59:04 AM, Wnope wrote:
In that same interview, Chris Wallace described Fox as a "counterweight" to the other (liberal) media outlets.

That is not fair and balanced. That's balancing.

In terms of fairness, presenting multiple viewpoints is a counterweight to news outlets that only represent one viewpoint.

Fox News certainly does not give equal time to leftist viewpoints, so there is truth in their being a counterweight to the leftist slant. Still, they are unique in the degree to which multiple viewpoints are presented. That's "balanced" by the standards of the industry.