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Volkov
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4/24/2009 2:58:57 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
"Arizona Senator John McCain is the latest high-profile politician to repeat the diehard American falsehood that the Sept. 11, 2001, attackers entered the United States through Canada.

McCain, who was defeated in his bid for the presidency by Barack Obama, defended Janet Napolitano, the U.S. Homeland Security secretary, telling Fox News she was correct when she said the perpetrators came to the United States via Canada.

Napolitano, a former governor of Arizona, sparked a diplomatic scuffle on Monday when she suggested to the CBC's Neil Macdonald in a televised interview that the people who co-ordinated the attacks on the Twin Towers in New York City and the Pentagon in Washington came into the U.S. through Canada.

Canadian Ambassador Michael Wilson tried to set the record straight on Tuesday, saying there was no Canadian connection to the attacks. He repeated those remarks Friday following McCain's comments on Fox News.

Canadian Embassy officials have also been in touch with McCain's office to try to set the record straight again. McCain recently had lunch with Wilson at the embassy."

http://www.cbc.ca...

Why is a FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE spewing blatant lies about a subject Republicans make apart of their daily agenda?

I love the US, I love its people and I think they can ultimately be a force for good in this world. But I am sick of politicians scapegoating Canada.

I have sent an e-mail to my political leaders and about to send one to both John McCain and Janet Napolitano. I urge anyone with a semblance of knowledge about this disgusting myth to do the same.
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4/24/2009 3:04:56 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
What I find more interesting is that the terrorists were from Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, so the U.S. invades Iraq, Afghanistan, and sets it's eyes on Iran.
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Volkov
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4/24/2009 3:07:11 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 3:04:56 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
What I find more interesting is that the terrorists were from Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, so the U.S. invades Iraq, Afghanistan, and sets it's eyes on Iran.

Granted I think Afghanistan was the right choice at first, because they were hiding out there. We just pushed them over into Pakistan now..

The rest is a bunch of really dumb decisions. I call Iraq the 'Great War of Distraction', because that is what it is. It has done nothing but distract the US from areas of the world they really needed to focus on to hunt down the perpetrators of 9/11. Yet people wonder why Afghanistan has been such a failure.
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4/24/2009 3:47:24 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 3:04:56 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
What I find more interesting is that the terrorists were from Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, so the U.S. invades Iraq, Afghanistan, and sets it's eyes on Iran.

Now all we need is for Iran to get nuclear capabilities, which will give us an excuse to invade them. They will then start a nuclear war and the apocalypse. I saw we have 10-30 years.
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4/24/2009 3:53:15 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 3:47:24 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:04:56 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
What I find more interesting is that the terrorists were from Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, so the U.S. invades Iraq, Afghanistan, and sets it's eyes on Iran.

Now all we need is for Iran to get nuclear capabilities, which will give us an excuse to invade them. They will then start a nuclear war and the apocalypse. I saw we have 10-30 years.

Phhffft, Iran's nuclear capabilities are will be nothing compared to the U.S. Simply say "Stop the nuclear bomb making, or we'll turn you into Dustan"
Pizza. I have enormous respect for Pizza.
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4/24/2009 3:55:08 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 3:53:15 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:47:24 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:04:56 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
What I find more interesting is that the terrorists were from Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, so the U.S. invades Iraq, Afghanistan, and sets it's eyes on Iran.

Now all we need is for Iran to get nuclear capabilities, which will give us an excuse to invade them. They will then start a nuclear war and the apocalypse. I saw we have 10-30 years.

Phhffft, Iran's nuclear capabilities are will be nothing compared to the U.S. Simply say "Stop the nuclear bomb making, or we'll turn you into Dustan"

We'd love to dust them except for some annoying nations who keep trying to own us ***Cough Cough, UN, Cough, Cough***.
There are three types of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics"
-Mark Twain

"If at first you don't succeed, redefine success"

"Therefore love moderately. Long love doth so.
Too swift arrives as tardy as too slow."
- William Shakespeare

"There must be no majority decisions, but only responsible persons, and the word 'council' must be restored to its original meaning. Surely every man will have advisers by his side, but the decision will be made by one man."
- Adolf Hitler
Volkov
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4/24/2009 3:59:36 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 3:55:08 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:53:15 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:47:24 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:04:56 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
What I find more interesting is that the terrorists were from Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, so the U.S. invades Iraq, Afghanistan, and sets it's eyes on Iran.

Now all we need is for Iran to get nuclear capabilities, which will give us an excuse to invade them. They will then start a nuclear war and the apocalypse. I saw we have 10-30 years.

Phhffft, Iran's nuclear capabilities are will be nothing compared to the U.S. Simply say "Stop the nuclear bomb making, or we'll turn you into Dustan"

We'd love to dust them except for some annoying nations who keep trying to own us ***Cough Cough, UN, Cough, Cough***.

You do know the majority of Iranian citizens actually like the US and the West and all our technologies and good life. Lets not kill them.
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4/24/2009 4:02:06 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Iraq actually would have had a tactical purpose, if handled correctly. But it wasn't handled correctly. It serves as a buffer state between Saudi Arabia and Iran, who would expend resources they are currently expending on Al Qaeda and Hamas/Hezbollah respectively, on fighting each other instead, if Iraq weren't in the way. The correct way to handle it would have been-- destroy the government there, GTFO, and let the chaos spill over into Saudi Arabia and Iran, till they have to chew through it and meet each other.

The first step-- destroy-- was handled somewhat competently-- but the problem came when some moron said "Hay guyz, let's build a nation here!" The result of having a nation there is PRECISELY what was the problem in the first place!
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4/24/2009 4:02:31 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 3:59:36 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:55:08 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:53:15 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:47:24 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:04:56 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
What I find more interesting is that the terrorists were from Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, so the U.S. invades Iraq, Afghanistan, and sets it's eyes on Iran.

Now all we need is for Iran to get nuclear capabilities, which will give us an excuse to invade them. They will then start a nuclear war and the apocalypse. I saw we have 10-30 years.

Phhffft, Iran's nuclear capabilities are will be nothing compared to the U.S. Simply say "Stop the nuclear bomb making, or we'll turn you into Dustan"

We'd love to dust them except for some annoying nations who keep trying to own us ***Cough Cough, UN, Cough, Cough***.

You do know the majority of Iranian citizens actually like the US and the West and all our technologies and good life. Lets not kill them.

I completely agree. I tired of the freakin' UN and US governments trying to control everybody else.
There are three types of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics"
-Mark Twain

"If at first you don't succeed, redefine success"

"Therefore love moderately. Long love doth so.
Too swift arrives as tardy as too slow."
- William Shakespeare

"There must be no majority decisions, but only responsible persons, and the word 'council' must be restored to its original meaning. Surely every man will have advisers by his side, but the decision will be made by one man."
- Adolf Hitler
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4/24/2009 4:02:45 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 3:47:24 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:04:56 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
What I find more interesting is that the terrorists were from Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, so the U.S. invades Iraq, Afghanistan, and sets it's eyes on Iran.

Now all we need is for Iran to get nuclear capabilities, which will give us an excuse to invade them. They will then start a nuclear war and the apocalypse. I saw we have 10-30 years.

A nuclear weapon in the hands of a theocracy is a horride idea, but nuclear arms will not be used it should be looked at as more of a measure to ensure their place at the table. Ahmadinejad may be a mad man like Khrushchev, who said he would start the nuclear holocaust, he does not want to piss off his diplomatic allies.
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4/24/2009 4:05:15 PM
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At 4/24/2009 4:02:45 PM, Marine1 wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:47:24 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:04:56 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
What I find more interesting is that the terrorists were from Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, so the U.S. invades Iraq, Afghanistan, and sets it's eyes on Iran.

Now all we need is for Iran to get nuclear capabilities, which will give us an excuse to invade them. They will then start a nuclear war and the apocalypse. I saw we have 10-30 years.

A nuclear weapon in the hands of a theocracy is a horride idea,

I completely agree. But all I have to say is Sarah Palin.
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4/24/2009 4:07:01 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 4:05:15 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/24/2009 4:02:45 PM, Marine1 wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:47:24 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:04:56 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
What I find more interesting is that the terrorists were from Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, so the U.S. invades Iraq, Afghanistan, and sets it's eyes on Iran.

Now all we need is for Iran to get nuclear capabilities, which will give us an excuse to invade them. They will then start a nuclear war and the apocalypse. I saw we have 10-30 years.

A nuclear weapon in the hands of a theocracy is a horride idea,

I completely agree. But all I have to say is Sarah Palin.

You're going to have to explain that one to me.
There are three types of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics"
-Mark Twain

"If at first you don't succeed, redefine success"

"Therefore love moderately. Long love doth so.
Too swift arrives as tardy as too slow."
- William Shakespeare

"There must be no majority decisions, but only responsible persons, and the word 'council' must be restored to its original meaning. Surely every man will have advisers by his side, but the decision will be made by one man."
- Adolf Hitler
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4/24/2009 4:08:28 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 4:07:01 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
At 4/24/2009 4:05:15 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/24/2009 4:02:45 PM, Marine1 wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:47:24 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:04:56 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
What I find more interesting is that the terrorists were from Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, so the U.S. invades Iraq, Afghanistan, and sets it's eyes on Iran.

Now all we need is for Iran to get nuclear capabilities, which will give us an excuse to invade them. They will then start a nuclear war and the apocalypse. I saw we have 10-30 years.

A nuclear weapon in the hands of a theocracy is a horride idea,

I completely agree. But all I have to say is Sarah Palin.

You're going to have to explain that one to me.

Please tell me you're not serious. I view Palin as mostly harmless, but come now.
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4/24/2009 4:08:47 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 4:05:15 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/24/2009 4:02:45 PM, Marine1 wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:47:24 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:04:56 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
What I find more interesting is that the terrorists were from Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, so the U.S. invades Iraq, Afghanistan, and sets it's eyes on Iran.

Now all we need is for Iran to get nuclear capabilities, which will give us an excuse to invade them. They will then start a nuclear war and the apocalypse. I saw we have 10-30 years.

A nuclear weapon in the hands of a theocracy is a horride idea,

I completely agree. But all I have to say is Sarah Palin.

Sarah Palin may never get enough support to be elected, but that is what makes our country great the separation between church and state
Volkov
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4/24/2009 4:09:18 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/24/2009 4:07:01 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
At 4/24/2009 4:05:15 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/24/2009 4:02:45 PM, Marine1 wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:47:24 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
At 4/24/2009 3:04:56 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
What I find more interesting is that the terrorists were from Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, so the U.S. invades Iraq, Afghanistan, and sets it's eyes on Iran.

Now all we need is for Iran to get nuclear capabilities, which will give us an excuse to invade them. They will then start a nuclear war and the apocalypse. I saw we have 10-30 years.

A nuclear weapon in the hands of a theocracy is a horride idea,

I completely agree. But all I have to say is Sarah Palin.

You're going to have to explain that one to me.

She has a slim chance of being the next US President. She is a heavily evangelical person who believes America's enemies are servants of Satan. The only safe place in the world would be Israel, because when she lets those nuke's fly she won't hit Jerusalem (I hope).
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4/25/2009 12:12:03 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Currently, I would put the U.S.'s top 2 threats as Iran and North Korea. Of course, last time they invaded North Korea, China called in.
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4/25/2009 1:49:53 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 4/25/2009 12:12:03 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Currently, I would put the U.S.'s top 2 threats as Iran and North Korea. Of course, last time they invaded North Korea, China called in.

North Korea will never be a serious threat. All they want the bomb for is because they are afraid of being steamrolled by its much larger, richer neighbors. Read the chapter on North Korea in the book The Inheritence by David E. Sanger and you'll see what I mean.
Besides, China is more concerned about the nutjob controlling North Korea than the US invading it.
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5/12/2009 9:52:20 AM
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North Korea will never be a serious threat. All they want the bomb for is because they are afraid of being steamrolled by its much larger, richer neighbors. Read the chapter on North Korea in the book The Inheritence by David E. Sanger and you'll see what I mean.
Besides, China is more concerned about the nutjob controlling North Korea than the US invading it.

In all fairness, a NK uprising would certainly cause distress, to say the least. Consider the causes of WWI. A Serbian nationalist killed Archduke Ferdinand, the heir to the Austrian-Hungarian throne. Austria in turn asked for help from Germany, who basically said, "We'll support you in whatever you do to retaliate." All NK needs is to receive Carte Blanche from a bigger, more powerful nation, and we could have a real problem :|
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6/18/2009 5:50:08 PM
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I agree that there is a lot of ignorance on the topic of 9/11. First of all it is a very complex event it seems, but I think people should know some basic facts about it such as how many towers fell. I did one poll once and more than half the people didn't know the correct answer.
http://answers.yahoo.com...

I did one debate on the topic so I could have a better understanding for myself on the topic, which I am glad I did. (even though I lost)(I was up against a good opponent)
http://www.debate.org...

The thing is...is that I think the reason why there is so much ignorance on the subject is basically due to the motivations of those in power in the world...I have tried to outline this phenomenon in this debate:
http://www.debate.org...

I believe that because of the combination of these global motivations that there are many things that occur in the world that make it very difficult for the average busy person to understand, as they don't have the time or inclination (by design)("bread and circuses") to know these things or worse yet to even want to know about these things...

it reminds me of a quote by Plato -

"Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood, let alone believed, by the masses."