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DetectableNinja
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9/3/2011 10:05:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
In my Facebook pursuits, someone shared this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk...

In it, it describes a 9/11 coloring book (I'll give you a moment to let that phrase sink in) which gives a surprisingly anti-Muslim message.

So please, read the article and share your thoughts.
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9/3/2011 10:12:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/3/2011 10:05:39 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
In my Facebook pursuits, someone shared this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk...

In it, it describes a 9/11 coloring book (I'll give you a moment to let that phrase sink in) which gives a surprisingly anti-Muslim message.

So please, read the article and share your thoughts.

Its just propaganda, except this time, its being fed to innocent children, nothing new.
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9/3/2011 11:14:16 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
'Produce a coloring book with equal airtime to show that not all Muslims are like bin Laden.'

Wat.

No CAIR, you produce a goddamn coloring book if you want your message with it, this is a coloring book about 9/11, and apparently about shooting the guy who perpetrated it.
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9/3/2011 11:37:57 PM
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You can't exactly perpetuate a war without demonizing the enemy. Propaganda isn't like it was in the good old days.
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9/3/2011 11:47:35 PM
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Yea definitely not appropriate for children.
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9/3/2011 11:54:06 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I can see how it's innappropirate for Children with the violence it has but I don't see how it's offensive towards muslims.
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9/4/2011 12:43:57 PM
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It's just stupid. An insult the intelligence of humans. The whole thing sounds and reads like it was made by a couple of deluded hicks who just got back from a post-Tea Party rally KKK raid.
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9/4/2011 1:06:10 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/4/2011 12:56:57 PM, ryan_thomas wrote:
I'm going to buy it for my baby brothers and their friends.

Good choice, brainwash children.

/sarcasm
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9/4/2011 1:24:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/3/2011 10:05:39 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
In my Facebook pursuits, someone shared this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk...

In it, it describes a 9/11 coloring book (I'll give you a moment to let that phrase sink in) which gives a surprisingly anti-Muslim message.

So please, read the article and share your thoughts.

What I find offensive is where moderate muslims consider this to be more offensive than the crimes committed in the name is Islam. Therein lays the route of the problem.
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9/4/2011 1:39:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Notice it's the same people with the Tea Party coloring book..
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9/4/2011 1:40:42 PM
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At 9/4/2011 1:24:28 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 9/3/2011 10:05:39 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
In my Facebook pursuits, someone shared this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk...

In it, it describes a 9/11 coloring book (I'll give you a moment to let that phrase sink in) which gives a surprisingly anti-Muslim message.

So please, read the article and share your thoughts.

What I find offensive is where moderate muslims consider this to be more offensive than the crimes committed in the name is Islam. Therein lays the route of the problem.

This.
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9/5/2011 1:02:06 AM
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At 9/4/2011 1:24:28 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 9/3/2011 10:05:39 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
In my Facebook pursuits, someone shared this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk...

In it, it describes a 9/11 coloring book (I'll give you a moment to let that phrase sink in) which gives a surprisingly anti-Muslim message.

So please, read the article and share your thoughts.

What I find offensive is where moderate muslims consider this to be more offensive than the crimes committed in the name is Islam. Therein lays the route of the problem.

Where does it say that?
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9/7/2011 3:47:36 AM
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At 9/5/2011 1:02:06 AM, LeafRod wrote:
At 9/4/2011 1:24:28 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 9/3/2011 10:05:39 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
In my Facebook pursuits, someone shared this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk...

In it, it describes a 9/11 coloring book (I'll give you a moment to let that phrase sink in) which gives a surprisingly anti-Muslim message.

So please, read the article and share your thoughts.

What I find offensive is where moderate muslims consider this to be more offensive than the crimes committed in the name is Islam. Therein lays the route of the problem.

Where does it say that?

Where does what say what?
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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9/7/2011 6:17:12 PM
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At 9/4/2011 1:24:28 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 9/3/2011 10:05:39 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
In my Facebook pursuits, someone shared this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk...

In it, it describes a 9/11 coloring book (I'll give you a moment to let that phrase sink in) which gives a surprisingly anti-Muslim message.

So please, read the article and share your thoughts.

What I find offensive is where moderate muslims consider this to be more offensive than the crimes committed in the name is Islam. Therein lays the route of the problem.
Name one such moderate Muslim...
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9/7/2011 9:37:42 PM
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I was under the impression you were saying some Muslims apparently (from the article or something) compared this book to the initial attack, but now I realize you must have been making a broader point.
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9/8/2011 2:21:36 AM
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At 9/7/2011 9:37:42 PM, LeafRod wrote:
I was under the impression you were saying some Muslims apparently (from the article or something) compared this book to the initial attack
By spending their time complaining about one but not the other they imply such a comparison.
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9/8/2011 2:22:48 AM
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At 9/7/2011 6:17:12 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 9/4/2011 1:24:28 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 9/3/2011 10:05:39 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
In my Facebook pursuits, someone shared this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk...

In it, it describes a 9/11 coloring book (I'll give you a moment to let that phrase sink in) which gives a surprisingly anti-Muslim message.

So please, read the article and share your thoughts.

What I find offensive is where moderate muslims consider this to be more offensive than the crimes committed in the name is Islam. Therein lays the route of the problem.
Name one such moderate Muslim...

It should have been 'moderate'.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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9/8/2011 9:35:08 AM
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At 9/8/2011 2:21:36 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
By spending their time complaining about one but not the other they imply such a comparison.

Not really. There are enough people complaining about 9/11 in the US. With something like this, it's pretty much up to these groups to be the first ones to start the complaining. Also, with an event that happened ten years ago to one that happened just before the article, complaining more about the recent relevant one does not imply anything. Finally, do you have a detailed record of everything that they complain about and how often they complain about them?
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9/8/2011 11:20:28 AM
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"This is about 19 terrorist hijackers that came over here under the leadership of a devil worshipper, Osama bin Laden, to murder our people," Bell said. "He [Dawud Walid, executive director of CAIR] calls the book disgusting ... but he should call the people in the book, the 19 terrorists, Osama bin Laden, he should call him disgusting. This is history. It is absolutely factual"

I thought bin Laden was a muslim, not a devil worshiper.
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9/8/2011 11:25:50 AM
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At 9/8/2011 11:20:28 AM, Heathen wrote:
"This is about 19 terrorist hijackers that came over here under the leadership of a devil worshipper, Osama bin Laden, to murder our people," Bell said. "He [Dawud Walid, executive director of CAIR] calls the book disgusting ... but he should call the people in the book, the 19 terrorists, Osama bin Laden, he should call him disgusting. This is history. It is absolutely factual"

I thought bin Laden was a muslim, not a devil worshiper.

"Factual" means different things to different people.
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9/8/2011 11:28:39 AM
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At 9/8/2011 11:25:50 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 11:20:28 AM, Heathen wrote:
"This is about 19 terrorist hijackers that came over here under the leadership of a devil worshipper, Osama bin Laden, to murder our people," Bell said. "He [Dawud Walid, executive director of CAIR] calls the book disgusting ... but he should call the people in the book, the 19 terrorists, Osama bin Laden, he should call him disgusting. This is history. It is absolutely factual"

I thought bin Laden was a muslim, not a devil worshiper.

"Factual" means different things to different people.

Apperently......
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9/8/2011 11:41:49 AM
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At 9/8/2011 9:35:08 AM, LeafRod wrote:
At 9/8/2011 2:21:36 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
By spending their time complaining about one but not the other they imply such a comparison.

Not really. There are enough people complaining about 9/11 in the US. With something like this, it's pretty much up to these groups to be the first ones to start the complaining.
That doesn't necessarily rebut it so much as say the "enough people" are already implying such a comparison and judging it the other way.

Also, with an event that happened ten years ago to one that happened just before the article, complaining more about the recent relevant one does not imply anything.
It may be recent but judging it more "Relevant" is precisely the problem. Relevant to what? Not to anyone's rights, and their complaints aren't even relevant to what the book actually said, they are complaints about what the book didn't say. Why should the coloring book have to be all apologetic and spend half its time disclaiming that all Muslims are this way? That's not the point of the book, it would detract significantly from it.

Finally, do you have a detailed record of everything that they complain about and how often they complain about them?
I'll leave what they spend their time on to the reader's judgment.
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9/8/2011 11:43:00 AM
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At 9/8/2011 11:25:50 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 11:20:28 AM, Heathen wrote:
"This is about 19 terrorist hijackers that came over here under the leadership of a devil worshipper, Osama bin Laden, to murder our people," Bell said. "He [Dawud Walid, executive director of CAIR] calls the book disgusting ... but he should call the people in the book, the 19 terrorists, Osama bin Laden, he should call him disgusting. This is history. It is absolutely factual"

I thought bin Laden was a muslim, not a devil worshiper.

"Factual" means different things to different people.
Did the BOOK say he was a devil worshipper, or just the dude? :)
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9/8/2011 11:46:36 AM
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At 9/8/2011 11:43:00 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 9/8/2011 11:25:50 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 11:20:28 AM, Heathen wrote:
"This is about 19 terrorist hijackers that came over here under the leadership of a devil worshipper, Osama bin Laden, to murder our people," Bell said. "He [Dawud Walid, executive director of CAIR] calls the book disgusting ... but he should call the people in the book, the 19 terrorists, Osama bin Laden, he should call him disgusting. This is history. It is absolutely factual"

I thought bin Laden was a muslim, not a devil worshiper.

"Factual" means different things to different people.
Did the BOOK say he was a devil worshipper, or just the dude? :)

That was just the dude, my bad I should have quoted the beginning to that too.
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9/8/2011 11:51:02 AM
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Well, see, the book was factual. His phrasing was just slightly ambiguous on what he was referring to as factual :P
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9/8/2011 1:31:10 PM
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Honestly I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Someone just came out with a stupid coloring book that portrays Muslims in a way that Muslims don't like, so they complain about it. According to you, because they are complaining about the coloring book that literally just came out, which pertains to them specifically, and not continuing to complain about the attack 10 years ago, which pertains to all Americans, they are implying the idea that the coloring book is more offensive than the attack. Okay then. And yes, there are rights issues here - promoting anti-Muslim sentiments will obviously infringe on rights of Muslims.