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9/28/2011 9:26:38 AM
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I dont know too much about this, but apparently there are protesters in downtown manhattan to "begin a peaceful transition of power from the top 1% to the people. Anyone know about it?
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9/28/2011 9:33:45 AM
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Yes, I know some people there and I was invited to go. I chose not to because none of my activism has thus far yielded substantial results, and I can't afford to waste any time at this point in my life (school, work, etc.). However it's important to note that cops are beating the sh!t out of people, using tear gas and pepper spray amongst other brutalities for what I presume to be a peaceful protest. Is anyone surprised? FVCK DA PO-LICE. I really hate them. Like a lot.
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9/28/2011 9:33:59 AM
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Don't know about it, but I do know that all protesters "claim" to be peaceful. Much like the ones that were in longview protesting something and desided to tresspass on private property, then were shocked that police arrested them and that the police used force when they resisted arrest (say it ain't so, I though if you resisted arrest the police would just go on their merry way).
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9/28/2011 9:35:14 AM
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At 9/28/2011 9:26:38 AM, Rockylightning wrote:
I dont know too much about this, but apparently there are protesters in downtown manhattan to "begin a peaceful transition of power from the top 1% to the people. Anyone know about it?

The whining of America. They do have their right to protest though. I saw a couple of news reports on it and no one was able to report any specific complaint or cause that they were protesting or what the end game was. Basically a bunch of socialists and communists trying to tear down capitalism and engage in anarchy. Incoherent ramblings.
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9/28/2011 10:10:46 AM
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At 9/28/2011 9:35:14 AM, sadolite wrote:
The whining of America. They do have their right to protest though. I saw a couple of news reports on it and no one was able to report any specific complaint or cause that they were protesting or what the end game was. Basically a bunch of socialists and communists trying to tear down capitalism and engage in anarchy. Incoherent ramblings.

Right, just like conservatives whine about gay marriage. Waaah. You're right - they do have a right to protest, even without a cohesive message. Some claim that the purpose is just visibility and exposure to raise awareness of their anti-capitalist stance. I love how socialists and communists are supposed to sound like insulting titles rather than just a different political philosophy. You also have a very warped (and ignorant) perception of anarchy, considering some of the most profound and highly respected laissez-faire capitalists were also anarchists. I find many conservative rants to be incoherent ramblings too. Does that mean the police should beat them for being ignorant? I might like that, but it doesn't make it right.
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9/28/2011 10:13:17 AM
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At 9/28/2011 9:33:59 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Don't know about it, but I do know that all protesters "claim" to be peaceful. Much like the ones that were in longview protesting something and desided to tresspass on private property, then were shocked that police arrested them and that the police used force when they resisted arrest (say it ain't so, I though if you resisted arrest the police would just go on their merry way).

Right, and police tend to "claim" that they had a legitimate reason for the beatings (but they won't let you record their interactions though - let's keep that illegal... you know to protect people). Let's hear the reasons and see the proof for for this scenario. Was any private property being trespassed upon? Did any of the protesters engage in violent or destructive behavior? If not, then you cannot rely on anecdotal evidence to insinuate anything, as I could just as easily cite dozens of examples where police were abusive in the past.
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9/28/2011 10:27:48 AM
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At 9/28/2011 9:33:45 AM, Danielle wrote:
Yes, I know some people there and I was invited to go. I chose not to because none of my activism has thus far yielded substantial results, and I can't afford to waste any time at this point in my life (school, work, etc.). However it's important to note that cops are beating the sh!t out of people, using tear gas and pepper spray amongst other brutalities for what I presume to be a peaceful protest. Is anyone surprised? FVCK DA PO-LICE. I really hate them. Like a lot.

Has any of your protests yielded results? I'm not saying this to be antagonistic but it does seem that with the many protests in modern life that the law of diminishing returns kicks in and not much gets accomplished. Is there a better way to get the message across than street protests perhaps? I don't know just throwing it out there.
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9/28/2011 10:29:26 AM
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At 9/28/2011 10:13:17 AM, Danielle wrote:
At 9/28/2011 9:33:59 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Don't know about it, but I do know that all protesters "claim" to be peaceful. Much like the ones that were in longview protesting something and desided to tresspass on private property, then were shocked that police arrested them and that the police used force when they resisted arrest (say it ain't so, I though if you resisted arrest the police would just go on their merry way).

Right, and police tend to "claim" that they had a legitimate reason for the beatings (but they won't let you record their interactions though - let's keep that illegal... you know to protect people). Let's hear the reasons and see the proof for for this scenario. Was any private property being trespassed upon? Did any of the protesters engage in violent or destructive behavior? If not, then you cannot rely on anecdotal evidence to insinuate anything, as I could just as easily cite dozens of examples where police were abusive in the past.

Well, the one here in Longview had some video recording, however before posting the video, the protester removed the sound files from the video (probably because it would make the protesters look bad, wouldn't be the first time they edited their videos to make them look good and the police look bad).

And yes, the protesters did engage in "violent" behaviors. While tresspassing is not "violent" it is a crime, and so police have a duty to remove you from the private property (the protesters did not have a permit). When the police attempted to remove an old lady that was protesting, some other protests attacked the po, er, um, defended the old lady, and the police responded.

Of course, you get cases where bratty kids like to sneak into real protests just to cause trouble. I'm not sure what it is about the rebellion age that so many kids go through, or why they need to just break random things, but they ruin everything.
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9/28/2011 10:41:00 AM
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At 9/28/2011 10:27:48 AM, randolph7 wrote:
At 9/28/2011 9:33:45 AM, Danielle wrote:
Yes, I know some people there and I was invited to go. I chose not to because none of my activism has thus far yielded substantial results, and I can't afford to waste any time at this point in my life (school, work, etc.). However it's important to note that cops are beating the sh!t out of people, using tear gas and pepper spray amongst other brutalities for what I presume to be a peaceful protest. Is anyone surprised? FVCK DA PO-LICE. I really hate them. Like a lot.

Has any of your protests yielded results? I'm not saying this to be antagonistic but it does seem that with the many protests in modern life that the law of diminishing returns kicks in and not much gets accomplished. Is there a better way to get the message across than street protests perhaps? I don't know just throwing it out there.

I've already answered your question. It's important to keep in mind though that while most protests are completely futile, there are effective ones If one were to argue that it was impossible, I'd say to tell that to Martin Luther King. Ya know if he were still alive and all...
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9/28/2011 10:47:51 AM
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At 9/28/2011 10:29:26 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Well, the one here in Longview had some video recording, however before posting the video, the protester removed the sound files from the video (probably because it would make the protesters look bad, wouldn't be the first time they edited their videos to make them look good and the police look bad).

And yes, the protesters did engage in "violent" behaviors. While tresspassing is not "violent" it is a crime, and so police have a duty to remove you from the private property (the protesters did not have a permit). When the police attempted to remove an old lady that was protesting, some other protests attacked the po, er, um, defended the old lady, and the police responded.

Of course, you get cases where bratty kids like to sneak into real protests just to cause trouble. I'm not sure what it is about the rebellion age that so many kids go through, or why they need to just break random things, but they ruin everything.

I see that you once again referenced a protest in Longview. I asked for proof that there was trespassing, violence and/or destruction in THIS protest to warrant THESE beatings. I've pointed out that referencing anecdotal evidence such as one event with non-peaceful protesters proves absolutely nothing, since there are tons of examples of unwarranted police brutality that I could bring up to justify my side. That's why evidence for THIS case is particularly important. Did you really not read a thing I said? o_O

Out of curiosity, do you have proof that the protesters intentionally removed the sound (or was it just a cell phone video recording without sound to begin with)? I'd also like to point out that unless there was demonstrated physical violence or an absolute refusal to leave private property, then there is NO justification for police brutality. I'm pretty sure that even without sound you can have a good idea of the likely transaction between protesters and law enforcement anyway.

In your example, cops were attacked for doing their job. Unless they were unreasonably hurting the old lady, the protesters should not have struck first. There is no argument there. Once again, I'm asking about this protest in particular. We can sit here all day and give examples of unwarranted behavior from the past on both sides - though I'm confident that at the end of the day I would win in terms of volume and unnecessary violence.
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9/28/2011 11:19:46 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/28/2011 10:52:20 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
seems like the easy solution to a 'peaceful' protest is to have a 10 to one ratio of protesters to cops.

I don't think that is a winning ratio for the protesters, since they often have ratios of 100 to 1.
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9/28/2011 11:42:55 AM
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At 9/28/2011 10:47:51 AM, Danielle wrote:
At 9/28/2011 10:29:26 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Well, the one here in Longview had some video recording, however before posting the video, the protester removed the sound files from the video (probably because it would make the protesters look bad, wouldn't be the first time they edited their videos to make them look good and the police look bad).

And yes, the protesters did engage in "violent" behaviors. While tresspassing is not "violent" it is a crime, and so police have a duty to remove you from the private property (the protesters did not have a permit). When the police attempted to remove an old lady that was protesting, some other protests attacked the po, er, um, defended the old lady, and the police responded.

Of course, you get cases where bratty kids like to sneak into real protests just to cause trouble. I'm not sure what it is about the rebellion age that so many kids go through, or why they need to just break random things, but they ruin everything.

I see that you once again referenced a protest in Longview. I asked for proof that there was trespassing, violence and/or destruction in THIS protest to warrant THESE beatings. I've pointed out that referencing anecdotal evidence such as one event with non-peaceful protesters proves absolutely nothing, since there are tons of examples of unwarranted police brutality that I could bring up to justify my side. That's why evidence for THIS case is particularly important. Did you really not read a thing I said? o_O

What do you want for proof? Most of the arrests have been for obstructing traffic and disorderly conduct (which usually means, they refused to stop obstructing traffic), whith one arrest of assulting a police officer. Sadly, the police don't carry video cameras (something I would like to see changed, I'd love for every officer to have a mini camera, with sound, on him at all times, explicitly for cases like this), and the protesters have a history of showing only one side of the story.


Out of curiosity, do you have proof that the protesters intentionally removed the sound (or was it just a cell phone video recording without sound to begin with)? I'd also like to point out that unless there was demonstrated physical violence or an absolute refusal to leave private property, then there is NO justification for police brutality. I'm pretty sure that even without sound you can have a good idea of the likely transaction between protesters and law enforcement anyway.

In your example, cops were attacked for doing their job. Unless they were unreasonably hurting the old lady, the protesters should not have struck first. There is no argument there. Once again, I'm asking about this protest in particular.

From what I've gathered. The woman was tresspassing. The police told her she had to leave and she refused (was sitting on the ground). They attempted to pick her up by her underarms to forcefully remove her. This hurt her, and other tried to remove the officer from her, and other officers jumped in. This is, of course, after violence has already happened in this particular protest.

We can sit here all day and give examples of unwarranted behavior from the past on both sides - though I'm confident that at the end of the day I would win in terms of volume and unnecessary violence.

You'd probably win volume, but I'd disagree on violence. I'd be willing to bet that I can show more people being killed from protests, than from police responding to protests.
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9/28/2011 11:52:35 AM
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At 9/28/2011 10:41:00 AM, Danielle wrote:
At 9/28/2011 10:27:48 AM, randolph7 wrote:
At 9/28/2011 9:33:45 AM, Danielle wrote:
Yes, I know some people there and I was invited to go. I chose not to because none of my activism has thus far yielded substantial results, and I can't afford to waste any time at this point in my life (school, work, etc.). However it's important to note that cops are beating the sh!t out of people, using tear gas and pepper spray amongst other brutalities for what I presume to be a peaceful protest. Is anyone surprised? FVCK DA PO-LICE. I really hate them. Like a lot.

Has any of your protests yielded results? I'm not saying this to be antagonistic but it does seem that with the many protests in modern life that the law of diminishing returns kicks in and not much gets accomplished. Is there a better way to get the message across than street protests perhaps? I don't know just throwing it out there.

I've already answered your question. It's important to keep in mind though that while most protests are completely futile, there are effective ones If one were to argue that it was impossible, I'd say to tell that to Martin Luther King. Ya know if he were still alive and all...

hmm, i seem to think that the underlying point of a protest is not always to generate an effect right away... they raise awareness to people who might need a little push to look at things that way, sure some people might get pissed off but a lot of other people will walk by and see whats going on, agree with the stance, and now they are more engaged... then more people come together on the cause, and that is how things like the million man march become possible.. and it either invokes a positive change or a war which might lead to positive change.
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9/28/2011 12:06:37 PM
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At 9/28/2011 11:52:35 AM, Lickdafoot wrote:
At 9/28/2011 10:41:00 AM, Danielle wrote:
At 9/28/2011 10:27:48 AM, randolph7 wrote:
At 9/28/2011 9:33:45 AM, Danielle wrote:
Yes, I know some people there and I was invited to go. I chose not to because none of my activism has thus far yielded substantial results, and I can't afford to waste any time at this point in my life (school, work, etc.). However it's important to note that cops are beating the sh!t out of people, using tear gas and pepper spray amongst other brutalities for what I presume to be a peaceful protest. Is anyone surprised? FVCK DA PO-LICE. I really hate them. Like a lot.

Has any of your protests yielded results? I'm not saying this to be antagonistic but it does seem that with the many protests in modern life that the law of diminishing returns kicks in and not much gets accomplished. Is there a better way to get the message across than street protests perhaps? I don't know just throwing it out there.

I've already answered your question. It's important to keep in mind though that while most protests are completely futile, there are effective ones If one were to argue that it was impossible, I'd say to tell that to Martin Luther King. Ya know if he were still alive and all...

hmm, i seem to think that the underlying point of a protest is not always to generate an effect right away... they raise awareness to people who might need a little push to look at things that way, sure some people might get pissed off but a lot of other people will walk by and see whats going on, agree with the stance, and now they are more engaged... then more people come together on the cause, and that is how things like the million man march become possible.. and it either invokes a positive change or a war which might lead to positive change.

But it seems that effects aren't generated at all. Sure, it raises awareness amongst the activists but most other people just *yawn*. The civil rights era was a completely different time - there wasn't daily protests for every cause imaginable. It's been overdone. I was simply asking is there something that might be more effective.
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9/28/2011 12:45:35 PM
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At 9/28/2011 12:06:37 PM, randolph7 wrote:

But it seems that effects aren't generated at all. Sure, it raises awareness amongst the activists but most other people just *yawn*. The civil rights era was a completely different time - there wasn't daily protests for every cause imaginable. It's been overdone. I was simply asking is there something that might be more effective.

I get what you're saying. Most people are apathetic these days. I've asked similar questions about how to invoke change; right now we are almost backed up into a corner- the individual doesn't have much say and the process is a very slooowww one. I guess one realistic thing to do would be to make funny youtube videos that have underlying messages you want to get out. this would potentially get you speaking to a larger crowd. It would work better than a documentary because people wouldn't have to invest much time into it. Internet is one small solution.

Also, protests that apply to something very specific and targetted usually work better.

I'm thinking of the michael moore film where he took two of the victims from columbine to k-mart headquarters. K-mart was selling ammunition, pretty much anyone could walk in and buy it, and this is where the Columbine kids got the bullets from. One of the victims was in a wheelchair, and both still had remnants of the bullets in them. So they pretty much walked into the headquarters demanding that they "return" the bullets. It was not only hilarious, but it actually got K-mart to stop selling ammunition.

So we have to take little steps towards the big changes. The steps start out really large and spread out, but once you get near the top, you're passing through the steps like an escalator on crack.
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9/28/2011 12:51:13 PM
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At 9/28/2011 12:45:35 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
At 9/28/2011 12:06:37 PM, randolph7 wrote:

But it seems that effects aren't generated at all. Sure, it raises awareness amongst the activists but most other people just *yawn*. The civil rights era was a completely different time - there wasn't daily protests for every cause imaginable. It's been overdone. I was simply asking is there something that might be more effective.

I get what you're saying. Most people are apathetic these days. I've asked similar questions about how to invoke change; right now we are almost backed up into a corner- the individual doesn't have much say and the process is a very slooowww one. I guess one realistic thing to do would be to make funny youtube videos that have underlying messages you want to get out. this would potentially get you speaking to a larger crowd. It would work better than a documentary because people wouldn't have to invest much time into it. Internet is one small solution.

Also, protests that apply to something very specific and targetted usually work better.

I'm thinking of the michael moore film where he took two of the victims from columbine to k-mart headquarters. K-mart was selling ammunition, pretty much anyone could walk in and buy it, and this is where the Columbine kids got the bullets from. One of the victims was in a wheelchair, and both still had remnants of the bullets in them. So they pretty much walked into the headquarters demanding that they "return" the bullets. It was not only hilarious, but it actually got K-mart to stop selling ammunition.

So we have to take little steps towards the big changes. The steps start out really large and spread out, but once you get near the top, you're passing through the steps like an escalator on crack.

Videos going viral does seem like the next phase. I must admit I don't Youtube that often so I didn't even think of that. Even if I don't agree with the message I think people should be able to effect a change or at least be heard. To me, street protests don't seem to be doing it.
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9/28/2011 12:57:06 PM
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At 9/28/2011 12:51:13 PM, randolph7 wrote:

Videos going viral does seem like the next phase. I must admit I don't Youtube that often so I didn't even think of that. Even if I don't agree with the message I think people should be able to effect a change or at least be heard. To me, street protests don't seem to be doing it.

no, not everyone goes on youtube, it was just an example in how the internet is an outlet to speak to a lot of people. but you are right, on general other types of protests are more effective than street ones.
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9/28/2011 1:54:18 PM
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At 9/28/2011 12:57:06 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
At 9/28/2011 12:51:13 PM, randolph7 wrote:

Videos going viral does seem like the next phase. I must admit I don't Youtube that often so I didn't even think of that. Even if I don't agree with the message I think people should be able to effect a change or at least be heard. To me, street protests don't seem to be doing it.

no, not everyone goes on youtube, it was just an example in how the internet is an outlet to speak to a lot of people. but you are right, on general other types of protests are more effective than street ones.

oops, i misread that the first time. i thought you said "viral videos don't seem like the next phase" disregard the first sentence :P
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9/28/2011 2:32:33 PM
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At 9/28/2011 11:42:55 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 9/28/2011 10:47:51 AM, Danielle wrote:
At 9/28/2011 10:29:26 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Well, the one here in Longview had some video recording, however before posting the video, the protester removed the sound files from the video (probably because it would make the protesters look bad, wouldn't be the first time they edited their videos to make them look good and the police look bad).

And yes, the protesters did engage in "violent" behaviors. While tresspassing is not "violent" it is a crime, and so police have a duty to remove you from the private property (the protesters did not have a permit). When the police attempted to remove an old lady that was protesting, some other protests attacked the po, er, um, defended the old lady, and the police responded.

Of course, you get cases where bratty kids like to sneak into real protests just to cause trouble. I'm not sure what it is about the rebellion age that so many kids go through, or why they need to just break random things, but they ruin everything.

I see that you once again referenced a protest in Longview. I asked for proof that there was trespassing, violence and/or destruction in THIS protest to warrant THESE beatings. I've pointed out that referencing anecdotal evidence such as one event with non-peaceful protesters proves absolutely nothing, since there are tons of examples of unwarranted police brutality that I could bring up to justify my side. That's why evidence for THIS case is particularly important. Did you really not read a thing I said? o_O

What do you want for proof? Most of the arrests have been for obstructing traffic and disorderly conduct (which usually means, they refused to stop obstructing traffic), whith one arrest of assulting a police officer. Sadly, the police don't carry video cameras (something I would like to see changed, I'd love for every officer to have a mini camera, with sound, on him at all times, explicitly for cases like this), and the protesters have a history of showing only one side of the story.


Out of curiosity, do you have proof that the protesters intentionally removed the sound (or was it just a cell phone video recording without sound to begin with)? I'd also like to point out that unless there was demonstrated physical violence or an absolute refusal to leave private property, then there is NO justification for police brutality. I'm pretty sure that even without sound you can have a good idea of the likely transaction between protesters and law enforcement anyway.

In your example, cops were attacked for doing their job. Unless they were unreasonably hurting the old lady, the protesters should not have struck first. There is no argument there. Once again, I'm asking about this protest in particular.

From what I've gathered. The woman was tresspassing. The police told her she had to leave and she refused (was sitting on the ground). They attempted to pick her up by her underarms to forcefully remove her. This hurt her, and other tried to remove the officer from her, and other officers jumped in. This is, of course, after violence has already happened in this particular protest.

We can sit here all day and give examples of unwarranted behavior from the past on both sides - though I'm confident that at the end of the day I would win in terms of volume and unnecessary violence.

You'd probably win volume, but I'd disagree on violence. I'd be willing to bet that I can show more people being killed from protests, than from police responding to protests.

Obviously you know nothing of these protests and what actually is happening. The protesters have released MULTIPLE angles of a woman being pepper sprayed in the face for, what every angle shows to be, absolutely nothing. Since then, that cop has been on leave and that particular cop had a similar beating of protestors that was disclosed in 2001, though it never amounted to any punishment. And again in 2011, his police department is defending his actions. Pathetic. I don't think all cops are bad, but some ruin it for others.

For example, a multitude of cops actually are calling out of work in new york because they are tired of corralling protestors for no apparent reason and tired of dealing with them (some are actually for their position). Others are dealing with the protest with more "pleases" and "thank yous", and no shoving and forceful conduct, and the same job they were sent to do is getting done.

But in accordance to what you were saying, Ore_Ele, the protestors were showing multiple sides of the same story, with enough video feed before hand to show that the protestors did nothing wrong. Also, it's not private property. These people are expressing their right to assemble and this is what they get? Bullsh!t if you ask me. I agree with Danielle. Also, police officers actually DO carry cameras, at least the ones at the protest. It's funny how they aren't posting "their side", seeing as it would probably look completely identical in the whole "police brutality" thing.

On a side note, I also read that a group, known as Anonymous, started the protest, and they are planning on doing one in Washington as well. There is already another going on in Chicago.
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9/28/2011 2:43:53 PM
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I can't wait to see the before and after pictures of the streets after the protest is over. It will be a litter strewn mess. Liberals are filthy litter bugs and never pick up after themselves and then turn right around and aspouse their superior care and concern for the environment. When conservatives protest they leave the place cleaner than when they arrived. These protesters have no message other than anarchy and the destruction of capitalism. It is unlikely that any of them could answer the most simple questions about economics.
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9/28/2011 7:49:30 PM
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At 9/28/2011 2:43:53 PM, sadolite wrote:
I can't wait to see the before and after pictures of the streets after the protest is over. It will be a litter strewn mess. Liberals are filthy litter bugs and never pick up after themselves and then turn right around and aspouse their superior care and concern for the environment. When conservatives protest they leave the place cleaner than when they arrived. These protesters have no message other than anarchy and the destruction of capitalism. It is unlikely that any of them could answer the most simple questions about economics.

Says something about the political views of conservatives eh?
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9/29/2011 7:23:31 AM
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At 9/28/2011 7:49:30 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
At 9/28/2011 2:43:53 PM, sadolite wrote:
I can't wait to see the before and after pictures of the streets after the protest is over. It will be a litter strewn mess. Liberals are filthy litter bugs and never pick up after themselves and then turn right around and aspouse their superior care and concern for the environment. When conservatives protest they leave the place cleaner than when they arrived. These protesters have no message other than anarchy and the destruction of capitalism. It is unlikely that any of them could answer the most simple questions about economics.


Says something about the political views of conservatives eh?

Elaborate. And try to connect your elaboration to your comment.
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9/29/2011 7:30:59 AM
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Is anyone going to prosecute those devils, or does police brutality go unpunished yet again? Why is that no one in Congress even seems to mention putting up strict laws against abuse of power by law enforcement officers...
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9/29/2011 11:40:17 AM
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At 9/29/2011 7:30:59 AM, 000ike wrote:
Is anyone going to prosecute those devils, or does police brutality go unpunished yet again? Why is that no one in Congress even seems to mention putting up strict laws against abuse of power by law enforcement officers...

Yes, because pepper spray is SOOOOOOOOOO deadly! You really don't know the context of the video. She was trying to cross the police line so the police had a right to fight back.
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9/29/2011 11:47:23 AM
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At 9/29/2011 11:40:17 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/29/2011 7:30:59 AM, 000ike wrote:
Is anyone going to prosecute those devils, or does police brutality go unpunished yet again? Why is that no one in Congress even seems to mention putting up strict laws against abuse of power by law enforcement officers...

Yes, because pepper spray is SOOOOOOOOOO deadly! You really don't know the context of the video. She was trying to cross the police line so the police had a right to fight back.

Are you stupid? They had no right to institute that police line AROUND them in the middle of the street to begin with. It was a peaceful protest. Crossing a picket line is also not the grounds for pepper spray. Wow you're an ignorant moron. Pepper spray is an extremely painful substance in the eyes and has the potential for short term eye damage. You cannot institute such pain on a menial premise as crossing the line WHICH SHOULD NOT HAVE EVEN EXISTED. Go to hell, and stopping picking on my posts all over the forums and policing everything I say with rude and obnoxious retorts.
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9/29/2011 1:28:34 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/29/2011 11:47:23 AM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/29/2011 11:40:17 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/29/2011 7:30:59 AM, 000ike wrote:
Is anyone going to prosecute those devils, or does police brutality go unpunished yet again? Why is that no one in Congress even seems to mention putting up strict laws against abuse of power by law enforcement officers...

Yes, because pepper spray is SOOOOOOOOOO deadly! You really don't know the context of the video. She was trying to cross the police line so the police had a right to fight back.

Are you stupid? They had no right to institute that police line AROUND them in the middle of the street to begin with. It was a peaceful protest. Crossing a picket line is also not the grounds for pepper spray. Wow you're an ignorant moron.

It's well known that the protestors did not get the valid permits to do the protests. It was disorderly conduct and loitering. We also don't know what the context of the protests were, so we don't know how 'peaceful' these protestors were.

Pepper spray is an extremely painful substance in the eyes and has the potential for short term eye damage.

SHORT TERM eye damage. My goodness.

You cannot institute such pain on a menial premise as crossing the line WHICH SHOULD NOT HAVE EVEN EXISTED. Go to hell, and stopping picking on my posts all over the forums and policing everything I say with rude and obnoxious retorts.

Wait, I'm the rude and obnoxious one? I did not once insult you. You insulted me three times in one post. The thing is, this isn't the first time you've done this before to. You always call people that don't agree with their views stupid.

And, for the record, you don't have the right to call people stupid when you are asking for answers to basic chemistry questions.
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9/29/2011 2:18:29 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
"Are you stupid"

What do they say about people who use insults in intellectual discourse....................
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9/29/2011 3:14:05 PM
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Pepper spray can make underlying conditions acute resulting in death. So, no, it's not just some minor eye irritant.

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10/2/2011 7:19:45 PM
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At 9/29/2011 11:40:17 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/29/2011 7:30:59 AM, 000ike wrote:
Is anyone going to prosecute those devils, or does police brutality go unpunished yet again? Why is that no one in Congress even seems to mention putting up strict laws against abuse of power by law enforcement officers...

Yes, because pepper spray is SOOOOOOOOOO deadly! You really don't know the context of the video. She was trying to cross the police line so the police had a right to fight back.

I really hope you get pepper sprayed in this life. Then we can talk. Besides, it's the beginning of the limitation of freedom. Also, she CLEARLY wasn't trying to get across the unlawfully placed police line. YOu see the officer casually pull it out as he walks past, sprays them, walks away. Please stop being ignorant to what's going on. stop BLINDLY following what you think you might have heard.