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12/16/2011 9:40:07 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 9:37:22 AM, marcuscato wrote:
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How accurate is this? I thought women were safe in the US..

It all depends how you define "rape". If you define drinking and f*cking to be rape, then yea it's likely accurate.
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12/16/2011 9:47:53 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
well other countries are more likely to have this problem, women in america have less of one surprisingly. Also if all women got guns I garentee that all rape crimes would go down.

In the book more guns less crime, after concealed carry permits where issued violent crime dropped 10%. Rape was in that number.
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12/17/2011 10:42:34 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
It is two-fold, we need more fire arms permits in the united states, right to bear arms will stop those rapists. Secondly, we need more people to come to Jesus, true christians would never rape, and a good christian woman would never dress in a way to bring that type of attention to herself. It is two-fold, don't get me wrong I am not talking about women who get brutally raped, but the women who go out dressing with their skirts all hiked up and getting drunk, a good Christian woman wouldn't put herself in that position.
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12/17/2011 10:47:15 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/17/2011 10:42:34 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
It is two-fold, we need more fire arms permits in the united states, right to bear arms will stop those rapists. Secondly, we need more people to come to Jesus, true christians would never rape, and a good christian woman would never dress in a way to bring that type of attention to herself. It is two-fold, don't get me wrong I am not talking about women who get brutally raped, but the women who go out dressing with their skirts all hiked up and getting drunk, a good Christian woman wouldn't put herself in that position.

I said that
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12/17/2011 10:52:08 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/17/2011 10:47:15 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:42:34 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
It is two-fold, we need more fire arms permits in the united states, right to bear arms will stop those rapists. Secondly, we need more people to come to Jesus, true christians would never rape, and a good christian woman would never dress in a way to bring that type of attention to herself. It is two-fold, don't get me wrong I am not talking about women who get brutally raped, but the women who go out dressing with their skirts all hiked up and getting drunk, a good Christian woman wouldn't put herself in that position.

I said that

yes, you did say that about the gun control, please accept my apologies brother.
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12/17/2011 10:55:39 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/17/2011 10:52:08 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:47:15 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:42:34 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
It is two-fold, we need more fire arms permits in the united states, right to bear arms will stop those rapists. Secondly, we need more people to come to Jesus, true christians would never rape, and a good christian woman would never dress in a way to bring that type of attention to herself. It is two-fold, don't get me wrong I am not talking about women who get brutally raped, but the women who go out dressing with their skirts all hiked up and getting drunk, a good Christian woman wouldn't put herself in that position.

I said that

yes, you did say that about the gun control, please accept my apologies brother.

I wasn't mad. The christian thing...well...will get controversy
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https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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12/17/2011 11:01:06 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/17/2011 10:55:39 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:52:08 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:47:15 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:42:34 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
It is two-fold, we need more fire arms permits in the united states, right to bear arms will stop those rapists. Secondly, we need more people to come to Jesus, true christians would never rape, and a good christian woman would never dress in a way to bring that type of attention to herself. It is two-fold, don't get me wrong I am not talking about women who get brutally raped, but the women who go out dressing with their skirts all hiked up and getting drunk, a good Christian woman wouldn't put herself in that position.

I said that

yes, you did say that about the gun control, please accept my apologies brother.

I wasn't mad. The christian thing...well...will get controversy

"It is through many persecutions that we must enter the kingdom of God." Acts 14:22.

I am not trying to be controversial, just spread the truth and his name.
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12/17/2011 11:05:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/17/2011 11:01:06 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:55:39 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:52:08 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:47:15 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:42:34 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
It is two-fold, we need more fire arms permits in the united states, right to bear arms will stop those rapists. Secondly, we need more people to come to Jesus, true christians would never rape, and a good christian woman would never dress in a way to bring that type of attention to herself. It is two-fold, don't get me wrong I am not talking about women who get brutally raped, but the women who go out dressing with their skirts all hiked up and getting drunk, a good Christian woman wouldn't put herself in that position.

I said that

yes, you did say that about the gun control, please accept my apologies brother.

I wasn't mad. The christian thing...well...will get controversy

"It is through many persecutions that we must enter the kingdom of God." Acts 14:22.

I am not trying to be controversial, just spread the truth and his name.

I know but there are a lot of atheists on this site.
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
"A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross
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12/17/2011 11:10:39 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/17/2011 11:05:49 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:01:06 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:55:39 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:52:08 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:47:15 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:42:34 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
It is two-fold, we need more fire arms permits in the united states, right to bear arms will stop those rapists. Secondly, we need more people to come to Jesus, true christians would never rape, and a good christian woman would never dress in a way to bring that type of attention to herself. It is two-fold, don't get me wrong I am not talking about women who get brutally raped, but the women who go out dressing with their skirts all hiked up and getting drunk, a good Christian woman wouldn't put herself in that position.

I said that

yes, you did say that about the gun control, please accept my apologies brother.

I wasn't mad. The christian thing...well...will get controversy

"It is through many persecutions that we must enter the kingdom of God." Acts 14:22.

I am not trying to be controversial, just spread the truth and his name.

I know but there are a lot of atheists on this site.

Is it not true that they can be saved?

1 Peter 3:15

New International Version (NIV)

15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,
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12/17/2011 11:14:53 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/17/2011 11:10:39 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:05:49 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:01:06 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:55:39 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:52:08 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:47:15 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:42:34 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
It is two-fold, we need more fire arms permits in the united states, right to bear arms will stop those rapists. Secondly, we need more people to come to Jesus, true christians would never rape, and a good christian woman would never dress in a way to bring that type of attention to herself. It is two-fold, don't get me wrong I am not talking about women who get brutally raped, but the women who go out dressing with their skirts all hiked up and getting drunk, a good Christian woman wouldn't put herself in that position.

I said that

yes, you did say that about the gun control, please accept my apologies brother.

I wasn't mad. The christian thing...well...will get controversy

"It is through many persecutions that we must enter the kingdom of God." Acts 14:22.

I am not trying to be controversial, just spread the truth and his name.

I know but there are a lot of atheists on this site.


Is it not true that they can be saved?

1 Peter 3:15

New International Version (NIV)

15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

they can be saved, but most wont
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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12/17/2011 11:17:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/17/2011 11:14:53 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:10:39 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:05:49 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:01:06 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:55:39 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:52:08 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:47:15 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:42:34 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
It is two-fold, we need more fire arms permits in the united states, right to bear arms will stop those rapists. Secondly, we need more people to come to Jesus, true christians would never rape, and a good christian woman would never dress in a way to bring that type of attention to herself. It is two-fold, don't get me wrong I am not talking about women who get brutally raped, but the women who go out dressing with their skirts all hiked up and getting drunk, a good Christian woman wouldn't put herself in that position.

I said that

yes, you did say that about the gun control, please accept my apologies brother.

I wasn't mad. The christian thing...well...will get controversy

"It is through many persecutions that we must enter the kingdom of God." Acts 14:22.

I am not trying to be controversial, just spread the truth and his name.

I know but there are a lot of atheists on this site.


Is it not true that they can be saved?

1 Peter 3:15

New International Version (NIV)

15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

they can be saved, but most wont

even the atheist who is most angry with god can be saved. We shall never give up, is it right not to want them to share the joy we find in Christ with them? Do you really want Satan to win the battle for their souls?
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12/17/2011 2:45:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 9:40:07 AM, darkkermit wrote:
It all depends how you define "rape". If you define drinking and f*cking to be rape, then yea it's likely accurate.

No reasonable person defines rape like that, and I doubt the study does. Why men are so naive and hostile regarding rape statistics is beyond me.

Based on my knowledge and experience, the statistic seems accurate. Keep in mind that many rapes (and especially sexual assaults) go unreported, so the figure is likely even higher than that.
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12/17/2011 2:52:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/17/2011 11:17:49 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:14:53 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:10:39 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:05:49 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:01:06 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:55:39 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:52:08 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:47:15 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:42:34 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
It is two-fold, we need more fire arms permits in the united states, right to bear arms will stop those rapists. Secondly, we need more people to come to Jesus, true christians would never rape, and a good christian woman would never dress in a way to bring that type of attention to herself. It is two-fold, don't get me wrong I am not talking about women who get brutally raped, but the women who go out dressing with their skirts all hiked up and getting drunk, a good Christian woman wouldn't put herself in that position.

I said that

yes, you did say that about the gun control, please accept my apologies brother.

I wasn't mad. The christian thing...well...will get controversy

"It is through many persecutions that we must enter the kingdom of God." Acts 14:22.

I am not trying to be controversial, just spread the truth and his name.

I know but there are a lot of atheists on this site.


Is it not true that they can be saved?

1 Peter 3:15

New International Version (NIV)

15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

they can be saved, but most wont

even the atheist who is most angry with god can be saved. We shall never give up, is it right not to want them to share the joy we find in Christ with them? Do you really want Satan to win the battle for their souls?

Are you neutral to agnostics or do u hate them as much as atheists?
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12/17/2011 2:57:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/17/2011 2:45:06 PM, Danielle wrote:
At 12/16/2011 9:40:07 AM, darkkermit wrote:
It all depends how you define "rape". If you define drinking and f*cking to be rape, then yea it's likely accurate.

No reasonable person defines rape like that, and I doubt the study does. Why men are so naive and hostile regarding rape statistics is beyond me.

Based on my knowledge and experience, the statistic seems accurate. Keep in mind that many rapes (and especially sexual assaults) go unreported, so the figure is likely even higher than that.

How did I show hostility? Yes, some studies include that as rape. If you can show me the study, and see how they define rape, then I'll change my mind.

Rape isn't even that good of a mating strategy on an evolutionary bases. Women secrete a hormone If raped that suppresses a good chance of pregnancy.
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12/17/2011 3:44:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/17/2011 2:52:07 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:17:49 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:14:53 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:10:39 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:05:49 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:01:06 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:55:39 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:52:08 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:47:15 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:42:34 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
It is two-fold, we need more fire arms permits in the united states, right to bear arms will stop those rapists. Secondly, we need more people to come to Jesus, true christians would never rape, and a good christian woman would never dress in a way to bring that type of attention to herself. It is two-fold, don't get me wrong I am not talking about women who get brutally raped, but the women who go out dressing with their skirts all hiked up and getting drunk, a good Christian woman wouldn't put herself in that position.

I said that

yes, you did say that about the gun control, please accept my apologies brother.

I wasn't mad. The christian thing...well...will get controversy

"It is through many persecutions that we must enter the kingdom of God." Acts 14:22.

I am not trying to be controversial, just spread the truth and his name.

I know but there are a lot of atheists on this site.


Is it not true that they can be saved?

1 Peter 3:15

New International Version (NIV)

15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

they can be saved, but most wont

even the atheist who is most angry with god can be saved. We shall never give up, is it right not to want them to share the joy we find in Christ with them? Do you really want Satan to win the battle for their souls?

Are you neutral to agnostics or do u hate them as much as atheists?

I am nice to everyone...well depends...but I do not judge people on their religion. I do not hate them either, but sometimes I try to convert people. If I hated agnostics as much as atheists than I would still like them. I have atheist friends.
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12/18/2011 1:43:01 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/17/2011 2:57:30 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Rape isn't even that good of a mating strategy on an evolutionary bases. Women secrete a hormone If raped that suppresses a good chance of pregnancy.

What does that have to do with anything
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12/18/2011 1:55:42 AM
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At 12/18/2011 1:43:01 AM, LeafRod wrote:
At 12/17/2011 2:57:30 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Rape isn't even that good of a mating strategy on an evolutionary bases. Women secrete a hormone If raped that suppresses a good chance of pregnancy.

What does that have to do with anything

We act on evolutionary impulses.
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12/18/2011 8:20:24 AM
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At 12/17/2011 2:52:07 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:17:49 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:14:53 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:10:39 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:05:49 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:01:06 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:55:39 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:52:08 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:47:15 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:42:34 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
It is two-fold, we need more fire arms permits in the united states, right to bear arms will stop those rapists. Secondly, we need more people to come to Jesus, true christians would never rape, and a good christian woman would never dress in a way to bring that type of attention to herself. It is two-fold, don't get me wrong I am not talking about women who get brutally raped, but the women who go out dressing with their skirts all hiked up and getting drunk, a good Christian woman wouldn't put herself in that position.

I said that

yes, you did say that about the gun control, please accept my apologies brother.

I wasn't mad. The christian thing...well...will get controversy

"It is through many persecutions that we must enter the kingdom of God." Acts 14:22.

I am not trying to be controversial, just spread the truth and his name.

I know but there are a lot of atheists on this site.


Is it not true that they can be saved?

1 Peter 3:15

New International Version (NIV)

15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

they can be saved, but most wont

even the atheist who is most angry with god can be saved. We shall never give up, is it right not to want them to share the joy we find in Christ with them? Do you really want Satan to win the battle for their souls?

Are you neutral to agnostics or do u hate them as much as atheists?

Agnostic is better then Atheist as at least agnostic just doesn't know if there is a god and doesn't say there definitely is no god, but they are still doomed unless they truly reach out and accept Jesus. I don't want that to happen to anyone and I can't understand why they would choose to go down that path.
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12/18/2011 9:14:30 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/18/2011 8:20:24 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 2:52:07 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:17:49 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:14:53 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:10:39 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:05:49 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 11:01:06 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:55:39 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:52:08 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:47:15 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/17/2011 10:42:34 AM, bigbob91 wrote:
It is two-fold, we need more fire arms permits in the united states, right to bear arms will stop those rapists. Secondly, we need more people to come to Jesus, true christians would never rape, and a good christian woman would never dress in a way to bring that type of attention to herself. It is two-fold, don't get me wrong I am not talking about women who get brutally raped, but the women who go out dressing with their skirts all hiked up and getting drunk, a good Christian woman wouldn't put herself in that position.

I said that

yes, you did say that about the gun control, please accept my apologies brother.

I wasn't mad. The christian thing...well...will get controversy

"It is through many persecutions that we must enter the kingdom of God." Acts 14:22.

I am not trying to be controversial, just spread the truth and his name.

I know but there are a lot of atheists on this site.


Is it not true that they can be saved?

1 Peter 3:15

New International Version (NIV)

15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

they can be saved, but most wont

even the atheist who is most angry with god can be saved. We shall never give up, is it right not to want them to share the joy we find in Christ with them? Do you really want Satan to win the battle for their souls?

Are you neutral to agnostics or do u hate them as much as atheists?

Agnostic is better then Atheist as at least agnostic just doesn't know if there is a god and doesn't say there definitely is no god, but they are still doomed unless they truly reach out and accept Jesus. I don't want that to happen to anyone and I can't understand why they would choose to go down that path.

As a note though, I love them all and feel the need to save them from their foolish decision not to accept Jesus astheir savior.
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12/18/2011 10:36:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/17/2011 2:57:30 PM, darkkermit wrote:
How did I show hostility? Yes, some studies include that as rape. If you can show me the study, and see how they define rape, then I'll change my mind.

I didn't say you in particular but men in general. The studies don't define rape as simply getting drunk and fvcking (which I've done, and hey it can be kinda fun...) but instead being blacked out drunk to the point where you are passed out and/or cannot consent - much like a mental retard or 3 year old cannot give legitimate consent. Do you deny that?

It's true in my experience that men tend to get defensive when it comes to rape and the statistics, by trying to say the stats are wrong, or girls are just slutty these days, or they're asking for it, etc. I've seen some of even the most leftist, liberal people on this site say that girls who wear revealing clothing are asking for it (Lasagna!). If they're not rapists, I don't see what they have to be offended about.

The fact is that I know A LOT of guys - guys who are good guys, well liked and decent people but who often engage in inappropriate things (like taking advantage of girls who are probably a little too drunk, or going too far with their touching, etc.) yet they don't wanna see themselves as creepy or assailants so they want to deny the acts or look at the situation closely. I'm definitely not saying that's the case for all guys by any means, but ask yourself this - why were you so quick to discredit the statistic by implying that the study must have been unfair in their definition? Right away you're implying that your automatic reaction is to choose that the study is wrong rather than accept the facts of reality. I think it's important -- what if you have a daughter some day? Like I said, the stats are likely much higher because the vast majority of rapes (but especially sexual assaults) go unreported. Trust me. I can name at least a dozen instances off the top of my head that should have been reported but weren't, so like I said, the stat is likely true even if the definition of rape was "unfair."

Rape isn't even that good of a mating strategy on an evolutionary bases. Women secrete a hormone If raped that suppresses a good chance of pregnancy.

I don't think rape serves an evolutionary purpose in humans. But who knows.
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12/18/2011 12:22:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/18/2011 10:36:19 AM, Danielle wrote:
At 12/17/2011 2:57:30 PM, darkkermit wrote:
How did I show hostility? Yes, some studies include that as rape. If you can show me the study, and see how they define rape, then I'll change my mind.

I didn't say you in particular but men in general. The studies don't define rape as simply getting drunk and fvcking (which I've done, and hey it can be kinda fun...) but instead being blacked out drunk to the point where you are passed out and/or cannot consent - much like a mental retard or 3 year old cannot give legitimate consent. Do you deny that?

No, I don't deny that.

It's true in my experience that men tend to get defensive when it comes to rape and the statistics, by trying to say the stats are wrong, or girls are just slutty these days, or they're asking for it, etc.

I don't think its possible to come up with an accurate methodology to discover how many women actually are raped. You can't rely on police reports, and even doing random surveys can be inaccurate because people can lie in them.

I've seen some of even the most leftist, liberal people on this site say that girls who wear revealing clothing are asking for it (Lasagna!). If they're not rapists, I don't see what they have to be offended about.


Its not so much that its fault blaming, but more that people think (but don't know) that a women who wears revealing clothes is more likely to get raped.

Well I can see the logic of it, even If I don't think empirical backings prove it. I don't think rapes are low in Saudi Arabi or Afganistan, even If the women have to cover themselves. I don't think there is any correlation between number of rapes and how the women dress. Its possible that it could be on an individual level, in such its kind of a zero-sum game, the women who dresses the sluttiest is the women who is likely to get raped, regardless of what is the "norm".

I'm not entirely sure though.

Studies do show that men think of women differently If they are wearing something revealing. They don't really see them as person's but more as objects.

The fact is that I know A LOT of guys - guys who are good guys, well liked and decent people but who often engage in inappropriate things (like taking advantage of girls who are probably a little too drunk, or going too far with their touching, etc.) yet they don't wanna see themselves as creepy or assailants so they want to deny the acts or look at the situation closely.

Fair enough.

I'm definitely not saying that's the case for all guys by any means, but ask yourself this - why were you so quick to discredit the statistic by implying that the study must have been unfair in their definition? Right away you're implying that your automatic reaction is to choose that the study is wrong rather than accept the facts of reality.

I just thought the statistics were high that's all. One in 6 seems like too high a number.

I think it's important -- what if you have a daughter some day? Like I said, the stats are likely much higher because the vast majority of rapes (but especially sexual assaults) go unreported. Trust me. I can name at least a dozen instances off the top of my head that should have been reported but weren't, so like I said, the stat is likely true even if the definition of rape was "unfair."

Anecdotal evidence does not qualify as real evidence. While I don't deny that your being honest, you live a different life from the average person.

Rape isn't even that good of a mating strategy on an evolutionary bases. Women secrete a hormone If raped that suppresses a good chance of pregnancy.

I don't think rape serves an evolutionary purpose in humans. But who knows.

All are actions are from evolutionary instincts.
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12/19/2011 1:41:38 AM
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At 12/16/2011 9:37:22 AM, marcuscato wrote:
http://in.reuters.com...

How accurate is this? I thought women were safe in the US..

In my experience, yes, it's quite accurate. In terms of any sort of molestation, I'd guess 1 in 3.

No, women are not safe here, nor anywhere.

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12/19/2011 1:43:10 AM
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At 12/18/2011 10:36:19 AM, Danielle wrote:
The fact is that I know A LOT of guys - guys who are good guys, well liked and decent people but who often engage in inappropriate things (like taking advantage of girls who are probably a little too drunk, or going too far with their touching, etc.)

What?

A dude that would do that is not a decent person.

That is both pathetic and alarming.
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12/19/2011 1:50:03 AM
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I think you cats are too conceptual sometimes.

When things get real, when you're really confronted with reality, these things are a lot more difficult to digest; become a lot more poignant.

Sex is is very distinct. It requires he most closeness humans can engage, with the complete removal of all barriers, with both members in a certain bodily position.

Those who are sexually experienced know that you can't even just "put it in," no matter how ready she is (unless the dude is really little or the girl is really loose). That would be painful for her -- even if she's wet, your thing would swipe it off the side, causing her moistened skin to stick to your dry skin. That can be dangerous.

You gotta be easy with a girl, you have to know what you're doing. Savagely forcing it upon her or doing it when she's not in any way engaged is fkced up, and very volitional. You can't just "misunderstand" something like this. There are no mistakes. How is a girl supposed to get wet if she's unconscious? Do you know how much damage that aspect alone can inflict?!

Ugh.

I'll just assume some of you have no idea what you're talking about.
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12/19/2011 11:22:59 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/19/2011 1:43:10 AM, Ren wrote:
At 12/18/2011 10:36:19 AM, Danielle wrote:
The fact is that I know A LOT of guys - guys who are good guys, well liked and decent people but who often engage in inappropriate things (like taking advantage of girls who are probably a little too drunk, or going too far with their touching, etc.)

What?

A dude that would do that is not a decent person.

That is both pathetic and alarming.

What's fun is pretending to be a 13 year old girl online and see how many people in their 20s hit on you. Now that's alarming :).
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12/20/2011 10:06:00 AM
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At 12/16/2011 9:37:22 AM, marcuscato wrote:
http://in.reuters.com...

How accurate is this? I thought women were safe in the US..

Who knows, in the eighties if a woman said no before she said yes it was rape.
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12/20/2011 10:15:27 AM
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At 12/16/2011 9:40:07 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/16/2011 9:37:22 AM, marcuscato wrote:
http://in.reuters.com...

How accurate is this? I thought women were safe in the US..

It all depends how you define "rape". If you define drinking and f*cking to be rape, then yea it's likely accurate.

More likely it is women not planning on having sex, getting drunk, having sex, and the next morning wondering "why the hell did I do that?!" and so they feel as though they were "tricked" into sex, i.e. rape.

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12/20/2011 10:34:57 AM
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At 12/20/2011 10:15:27 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
More likely it is women not planning on having sex, getting drunk, having sex, and the next morning wondering "why the hell did I do that?!" and so they feel as though they were "tricked" into sex, i.e. rape.

I know plenty of people that's happened to, and they don't consider it rape (even though the law might, because the law doesn't recognize mental deficiencies or inebriated parties as able to consent to anything... and I highly doubt that your fascist self would either, but maybe you would - who knows).

Anyway, I'm too worn out on this topic to keep arguing about it. Most men are seriously delusional and ignorant when it comes to the reality of sexual assault. There is nothing I can say, no facts I can provide to change their minds. It's really absurd and terribly frustrating. Maybe one day something will happen to your daughter (and the stats show it probably will - I know you're a numbers guy) that will change your mind.
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