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7/24/2009 8:53:18 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
http://www.rasmussenreports.com...

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 30% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-eight percent (38%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -8.

Just 25% believe that the economic stimulus package has helped the economy. …

Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Today marks the first time his overall approval rating has ever fallen below 50% among Likely Voters nationwide. Fifty-one percent (51%) disapprove."

The sheeple are starting to get the fleece out of their eyes. I predict a Republican Revolution in 2010, just like in 1994. But instead of Clinton vs. Gingrich, it is gunna be Obama vs. Boehner. And instead of Obama getting reelected like Clinton, Mitt or Rudy will win in 2012.

The main difference between Clinton and Obama that the sheeple have failed to see, is that Clinton was a fiscal conservative. He kept balanced budgets and did not spend like the US has not future. I think the sheeple thought if Clinton was a great economics guy, so would Obama, because Democrat=Democrat. But, the sheeple got it wrong. Clinton was a blue dog, not a socialist, or democratic socialist if you wanna look at it in a good light.

-The Republicans will take the majority of gubernational elections in 2010.
-The Republicans will take the House in 2010.
-The Republicans will take the majority of the Senate elections in 2010.
-The Republicans will pick up more House seats in 2012.
-The Republicans will take more gubernational seats in 2012.
-The Republicans will take the Senate in 2012.
-The Republicans will take the White House in 2012.
-And so on until about 2020, where my future predictions skills get a little foggy.
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7/24/2009 9:10:29 PM
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Interesting thread. I heard something about this recently.

I like how you called the people 'the sheeple'. What an accurate term.
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7/24/2009 9:15:20 PM
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How can a Republican call anyone a sheeple? The sheeple are the ones who are still trapped in the false left/right paradigm.

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7/24/2009 9:16:34 PM
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The sheeple are the ones who actually believe other people who call themselves eyewitnesses.
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7/24/2009 9:21:20 PM
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At 7/24/2009 9:16:34 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
The sheeple are the ones who actually believe other people who call themselves eyewitnesses.

Failed attempt at being clever. The term sheeple is a term that refers to conformists and those who follow the crowd or majority. Belief in a certain testimony does not apply and is completely irrelevant to the word sheeple.

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7/24/2009 9:21:30 PM
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Obama never had majority support.

60% of the population doesn't vote, no?
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7/24/2009 9:23:19 PM
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At 7/24/2009 9:18:09 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 7/24/2009 9:15:20 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
How can a Republican call anyone a sheeple? The sheeple are the ones who are still trapped in the false left/right paradigm.

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It's not false if people actually hold those beliefs.

C_F, haven't we been through this already?

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7/24/2009 9:23:23 PM
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At 7/24/2009 9:15:20 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
How can a Republican call anyone a sheeple? The sheeple are the ones who are still trapped in the false left/right paradigm.

I'm not a Republican.

The term is a good one, as there are many parallels between sheep and humans.

1) Sheep are stinky.
2) Sheep are stupid.
3) Sheep are weak.

Probably a lot more, but I'm really tired right now and I'm having some trouble coordinating my thoughts... Good night.
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7/24/2009 9:25:39 PM
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At 7/24/2009 9:21:30 PM, Rezzealaux wrote:
Obama never had majority support.

60% of the population doesn't vote, no?

The majority of the population identifies with left/right or democrat/republican. Not to mention, Obama was the most popular candidate.

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7/24/2009 9:26:44 PM
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At 7/24/2009 9:23:23 PM, Lifeisgood wrote:
At 7/24/2009 9:15:20 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
How can a Republican call anyone a sheeple? The sheeple are the ones who are still trapped in the false left/right paradigm.

I'm not a Republican.

The term is a good one, as there are many parallels between sheep and humans.

1) Sheep are stinky.
2) Sheep are stupid.
3) Sheep are weak.

Probably a lot more, but I'm really tired right now and I'm having some trouble coordinating my thoughts... Good night.

I wasn't talking to you. You never listed your political party or ideology.

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7/24/2009 9:27:30 PM
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At 7/24/2009 9:21:20 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 7/24/2009 9:16:34 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
The sheeple are the ones who actually believe other people who call themselves eyewitnesses.

Failed attempt at being clever. The term sheeple is a term that refers to conformists and those who follow the crowd or majority. Belief in a certain testimony does not apply and is completely irrelevant to the word sheeple.
You follow the crowd that follows any opportunity to feel special by claiming to see random conspiratorial phenomena. You conform to the expectation they have that you will be gullible. They conform to the wishes and hopes and fears and musings of people like you. It's like a set of mirrors put in front of each other, creating an infinite sheepleness complex.
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7/24/2009 9:40:53 PM
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At 7/24/2009 9:27:30 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/24/2009 9:21:20 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 7/24/2009 9:16:34 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
The sheeple are the ones who actually believe other people who call themselves eyewitnesses.

Failed attempt at being clever. The term sheeple is a term that refers to conformists and those who follow the crowd or majority. Belief in a certain testimony does not apply and is completely irrelevant to the word sheeple.

You follow the crowd that follows any opportunity to feel special by claiming to see random conspiratorial phenomena. You conform to the expectation they have that you will be gullible. They conform to the wishes and hopes and fears and musings of people like you. It's like a set of mirrors put in front of each other, creating an infinite sheepleness complex.

Believe it or not, I am disgusted with the majority of the people in the conspiratorial movement. I could care less what they think.

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"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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7/24/2009 10:40:55 PM
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So, you take them as eyewitnesses why?
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7/24/2009 10:44:03 PM
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At 7/24/2009 10:40:55 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
So, you take them as eyewitnesses why?

I'm not talking about the researchers and insiders. I'm talking about all the little youtube/internet kids in the conspiratorial movement.

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7/24/2009 10:57:06 PM
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GeoLaureate8 wrote:
How can a Republican call anyone a sheeple? The sheeple are the ones who are still trapped in the false left/right paradigm.
Believe it or not, I am disgusted with the majority of the people in the conspiratorial movement. I could care less what they think.

Same for me except replace "conspirational movement" for "Republican Party". I'm just hoping for a Classical Liberalism (re)emerggence in the GOP.

Classical Liberalism - is a form of liberalism stressing individual freedom, free markets, and limited government. [Wikipedia]

I am going to vote Republican and Libertarian for the most part. There is no need to call me a "sheeple" as you did in your previous post.
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7/24/2009 11:04:27 PM
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At 7/24/2009 10:57:06 PM, Nags wrote:
GeoLaureate8 wrote:
How can a Republican call anyone a sheeple? The sheeple are the ones who are still trapped in the false left/right paradigm.
Believe it or not, I am disgusted with the majority of the people in the conspiratorial movement. I could care less what they think.


Same for me except replace "conspirational movement" for "Republican Party". I'm just hoping for a Classical Liberalism (re)emerggence in the GOP.

Understandable.

Classical Liberalism - is a form of liberalism stressing individual freedom, free markets, and limited government. [Wikipedia]

I am going to vote Republican and Libertarian for the most part. There is no need to call me a "sheeple" as you did in your previous post.

It seems that we are on the same page since you are a Libertarian and a Ron Paul supporter, though I am confused by your choice of the Republican Party. I was just pointing out that sheeple is a word that is generally used for Democrats and Republicans, so hearing a Republican using the word really caught me off guard.

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7/24/2009 11:25:33 PM
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At 7/24/2009 11:04:27 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 7/24/2009 10:57:06 PM, Nags wrote:
Classical Liberalism - is a form of liberalism stressing individual freedom, free markets, and limited government. [Wikipedia]

I am going to vote Republican and Libertarian for the most part. There is no need to call me a "sheeple" as you did in your previous post.

It seems that we are on the same page since you are a Libertarian and a Ron Paul supporter, though I am confused by your choice of the Republican Party. I was just pointing out that sheeple is a word that is generally used for Democrats and Republicans, so hearing a Republican using the word really caught me off guard.

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-I would agree that most of the GOP and Dems are sheeple. I think sheeple don't really pay attention to anything besides the (R) or (D) next to a politician's name.

I can see where you were thrown off though. But, I did put Libertarian as my political ideology and the Austrian School as the school of economics I believe in. And I put Con for George W. Bush. So, that could have gave you a hint that I, in particular, am not a "sheeple".

I can not agree with the GOP on their social conservatism, neocon foreign policy, or some of the GOP's un-fiscal conservatism (ie. George Bush and John McCain). I can not agree with the Libertarian Party on absolute open borders, absolute free trade, and I find it hard to identify with a 3rd party. I see the GOP Congress shifting to better policies now that W is out of office though. If the US political system was more open to 3rd parties, I'm sure I would not currently be a Republican.

I more closely identify with the Libertarian Party over the GOP. The political views "quizzes" I have taken and my views on current issues back up this point. But the Libertarian Party can obviously not connect with enough American people at this point, while the Republicans can. Therefore, the Republicans are the only party in America right now that can do good. Rhetoric is great, sure. But actions speak louder than words. The GOP can deliver action, that is where the Libertarian Party can not.
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7/25/2009 5:24:44 AM
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This is just one poll, so I'd like to see others that have close to or around the same results before I put any stock in what it says. Otherwise, for all we know, it could be a very biased report.
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7/25/2009 5:42:18 AM
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Anyways, I'm not surprised his approval ratings are going down. He's trying to rush a healthcare bill when the economy clearly can't take it, the stimulus plan, while going up the right creek, took a tributary off somewhere and is now ending up in interesting places.

But, as the economy improves and if the stimulus plan gets back on course, his approval ratings will climb back up. We'll see what happens within the next six months, and if the polls tend to continue downward - not stabilize or upwards, but downwards - then the Democrats have problems on the horizon.
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7/25/2009 5:57:16 AM
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Sorry for the triple post, but I would like to note that the poll doesn't say anything about the favourability of the Republicans over Democrats, just because Obama is getting lower approval numbers.

Lower approval ratings by no means translates into party support for the opposition. It can, but I don't think it will in this case. You'll see a lower voter turn out as the moderates won't care for either party, and it will be up to, literally, "my base is bigger than yours," style campaigns.

Personally, I would give it to the Democrats in certain areas that aren't complete Republican holds, just because the Democrats have an advantage in organization and membership. The better you are with those two aspects, the more your chances improve.
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7/25/2009 6:30:21 AM
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The Moderates are seriously on the rise in America, especially the Whigs. However, when Americas economy reboots, the Dems. popularity will shoot up.
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7/25/2009 2:41:29 PM
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At 7/25/2009 6:30:21 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
The Moderates are seriously on the rise in America, especially the Whigs. However, when Americas economy reboots, the Dems. popularity will shoot up.

I like that Whig party, to be honest. Seems like an American version of the Liberal Party. We should hope that they'll be on the rise.
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7/25/2009 2:51:50 PM
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At 7/25/2009 2:41:29 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 7/25/2009 6:30:21 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
The Moderates are seriously on the rise in America, especially the Whigs. However, when Americas economy reboots, the Dems. popularity will shoot up.

I like that Whig party, to be honest. Seems like an American version of the Liberal Party. We should hope that they'll be on the rise.

I was initially sceptical when I found out it was started by war-veterans.
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7/25/2009 2:56:58 PM
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I'm sure the MSNBC poll depicts that Obama still has an 80% approval rating.
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7/25/2009 3:16:05 PM
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At 7/25/2009 2:56:58 PM, wjmelements wrote:
I'm sure the MSNBC poll depicts that Obama still has an 80% approval rating.

Maybe, maybe not. I haven't seen an MSNBC poll yet.
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7/25/2009 3:17:31 PM
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At 7/25/2009 2:51:50 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
I was initially sceptical when I found out it was started by war-veterans.

True, but who has better knowledge of America's splendor and America's faults than those that have served the country?
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7/25/2009 4:30:03 PM
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At 7/25/2009 3:17:31 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 7/25/2009 2:51:50 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
I was initially sceptical when I found out it was started by war-veterans.

True, but who has better knowledge of America's splendor and America's faults than those that have served the country?

American History professors.
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7/25/2009 5:20:44 PM
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When will you people realize that using the word 'sheeple' completely destroys your credibility?

There will be no Republican revolution. If we actually look at this is context, you'd realize that most presidents lose popularity after the election

http://blog.kir.com...

While the timeline is hard to gauge, I'd say that Obama is more or as popular than Regan, Carter, Ford, Johnson, Truman and Clinton in the span of about 7 months. You'll also notice that all of them had some sort of resurgence of popularity of some sort.

And what about the Republicans? They are so broke of ideas that they couldn't win an election if they ran against a corpse (he'd get the deceased Florida vote.) Some have finally come around to the idea that Neo-Conservatism is bust and that they must choose between progressivism and classic liberalism. If the Republicans had any sense, they'd hold an open primary across the country and have the people choose between the right wing (Michelle Bachman, Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh or some yahoo), the center (Olympia Snowe, Colin Powel) and the libertarian (Ron Paul)

The grotesque form that the GOP has taken these days needs to be executed.
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7/25/2009 7:48:18 PM
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At 7/25/2009 5:24:44 AM, Volkov wrote:
This is just one poll, so I'd like to see others that have close to or around the same results before I put any stock in what it says. Otherwise, for all we know, it could be a very biased report.

The Rasmussen Reports have the most trusted, credible poll in the US. They predicted the US election exactly correct.

"Rasmussen Reports' campaign coverage has been praised for its independence, accuracy and reliability.

Douglas E. Schoen, a pollster for President William J. Clinton, says "Rasmussen Reports is one of America's most insightful and analytical sources of data and analysis on U.S. public opinion. They are fearlessly independent, always ahead of the curve, and offer unique insights unavailable anywhere else. I rely on them to keep me informed about what is happening today and is likely to happen tomorrow."

Michael Barone, Senior Writer for U.S. News & World Report and co-author of The Almanac of American Politics, mentions, "One clear lesson from the Republican victory of 2004 and the Democratic victory of 2006 is that the best place to look for polls that are spot on is RasmussenReports.com."
http://www.rasmussenreports.com...

Biased... right. Nice call.