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Xer
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8/24/2009 9:06:55 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Remember when Cheney asked to declassify intel on the enhanced interrogation program? Well if not:
http://www.politico.com...

While, now the CIA has released those documents. From ABC:
http://abcnews.go.com...

The Department of Justice is compiling a list of documents, to release later this evening, related to a 2004 CIA Inspector General report on enhanced interrogation techniques that was released today. The two documents that Cheney requested will be part of that release, but were made public early by the CIA.

One of the CIA documents, entitled "Detainee Reporting Pivotal for the War Against al-Qaeda," and written June 3, 2005, says "detainee reporting has become a crucial pillar of U.S. counterterrorism efforts, aiding intelligence and law enforcement operations to capture additional terrorists, helping to thwart terrorist plots, and advancing our analysis of the al-Qaeda target."

The report is heavily redacted and, at times, it is unclear which detainees are being discussed. At no point does the report describe intelligence gained as result of enhanced interrogation techniques.

The report says intelligence from detainees has resulted in the thwarting of terror plans.

The GOP's also sending around a memo tonight quoting other intel documents released by the inspector general today that claim EI was successful.
http://www.weeklystandard.com...

• After the use of the enhanced interrogation techniques on the bomber of the USS Cole, "al-Nashiri provided lead information on other terrorists during his first day of interrogation." pages 35-36, para 76…

• "Results from the first al Qaeda HVT interrogated using the aforementioned enhanced techniques, Abu Zubayda, have been outstanding. . . . This has ultimately led to some instances of the US Government being able to neutralize Al Qaeda capabilities worldwide before there was an opportunity for those capabilities to engage in operations harmful to the United States." CIA Business Plan discussing RDI program, page 13, March 7, 2003.

Dick Cheney has released a statement:
http://www.weeklystandard.com...

The documents released Monday clearly demonstrate that the individuals subjected to Enhanced Interrogation Techniques provided the bulk of intelligence we gained about al Qaeda. This intelligence saved lives and prevented terrorist attacks. These detainees also, according to the documents, played a role in nearly every capture of al Qaeda members and associates since 2002. The activities of the CIA in carrying out the policies of the Bush Administration were directly responsible for defeating all efforts by al Qaeda to launch further mass casualty attacks against the United States. The people involved deserve our gratitude. They do not deserve to be the targets of political investigations or prosecutions. President Obama's decision to allow the Justice Department to investigate and possibly prosecute CIA personnel, and his decision to remove authority for interrogation from the CIA to the White House, serves as a reminder, if any were needed, of why so many Americans have doubts about this Administration's ability to be responsible for our nation's security.

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So, I guess this proves that EI worked. Any objections?
JBlake
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8/25/2009 3:32:37 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/24/2009 9:06:55 PM, Nags wrote:
So, I guess this proves that EI worked. Any objections?

Of course torturing people will work in some occasions. It will not work in others. It will also work against our information in still others (as the suspect gives false information).

Additionally, that information could have been obtained through other, legal and ethical means.
Ragnar_Rahl
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8/25/2009 3:51:31 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
It will also work against our information in still others (as the suspect gives false information).
And.... you are under the impression that people who have the guts to lie under torture, when they will still be in custody when the information is checked against reality, won't provide false information anyway?

Additionally, that information could have been obtained through other, legal and ethical means.
Example?
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8/25/2009 4:37:05 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Additionally, that information could have been obtained through other, legal and ethical means.
Example?

http://www.time.com...
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Ragnar_Rahl
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8/25/2009 4:56:00 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Induction from one case?

I doubt that would even work with the average diabetic, let alone the average detainee. If you want to play nice with captives first, by all means, but there's no reason to take options off the table for when it isn't working-- different people respond differently to different situations, given how they have different reasons for working with Al Qaeda in the first place.
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Xer
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8/25/2009 6:09:14 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/25/2009 4:37:05 PM, ournamestoolong wrote:
Additionally, that information could have been obtained through other, legal and ethical means.
Example?

http://www.time.com...

I wouldn't even admit anything from that interrogation tactic.