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7/20/2012 5:53:36 PM
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The guy was wearing a bullet proof vest and carrying an assault rifle that holds 100 rounds. How can you oppose such basic gun regulation? What else can you do with 100 rounds than massacre innocent people?
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7/20/2012 5:54:53 PM
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At 7/20/2012 5:53:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
The guy was wearing a bullet proof vest and carrying an assault rifle that holds 100 rounds. How can you oppose such basic gun regulation? What else can you do with 100 rounds than massacre innocent people?

Home defence.
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7/20/2012 5:55:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 5:53:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
The guy was wearing a bullet proof vest and carrying an assault rifle that holds 100 rounds. How can you oppose such basic gun regulation? What else can you do with 100 rounds than massacre innocent people?

Maybe you like hunting but acknowledge that you're a really REALLY bad shot?
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7/20/2012 5:55:52 PM
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At 7/20/2012 5:54:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:53:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
The guy was wearing a bullet proof vest and carrying an assault rifle that holds 100 rounds. How can you oppose such basic gun regulation? What else can you do with 100 rounds than massacre innocent people?

Home defence.

handguns and shotguns are better for that task.
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7/20/2012 5:58:18 PM
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At 7/20/2012 5:54:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:53:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
The guy was wearing a bullet proof vest and carrying an assault rifle that holds 100 rounds. How can you oppose such basic gun regulation? What else can you do with 100 rounds than massacre innocent people?

Home defence.

I get the sense that you're not speaking because you genuinely believe what you're saying,...more like you feel intellectually threatened and need to say something in reply, even if it's asinine.
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7/20/2012 6:03:04 PM
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At 7/20/2012 5:55:52 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:54:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:53:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
The guy was wearing a bullet proof vest and carrying an assault rifle that holds 100 rounds. How can you oppose such basic gun regulation? What else can you do with 100 rounds than massacre innocent people?

Home defence.

handguns and shotguns are better for that task.

Handguns? Definitely not. Shotguns? Maybe. Regardless, an automatic rifle causes a wide spray of bullets that guarantees the worst shooter to hit a target; shotguns and handguns are much more aim-oriented.
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7/20/2012 6:03:26 PM
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At 7/20/2012 5:58:18 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:54:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:53:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
The guy was wearing a bullet proof vest and carrying an assault rifle that holds 100 rounds. How can you oppose such basic gun regulation? What else can you do with 100 rounds than massacre innocent people?

Home defence.

I get the sense that you're not speaking because you genuinely believe what you're saying,...more like you feel intellectually threatened and need to say something in reply, even if it's asinine.

Lol k.
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7/20/2012 6:03:58 PM
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Furthermore, if something is better it doesn't mean that you should get rid of the inferior good.
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7/20/2012 6:05:26 PM
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At 7/20/2012 6:03:58 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Furthermore, if something is better it doesn't mean that you should get rid of the inferior good.

No, but it takes away the counter argument that the something is "needed."
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7/20/2012 6:07:43 PM
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At 7/20/2012 6:05:26 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 6:03:58 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Furthermore, if something is better it doesn't mean that you should get rid of the inferior good.

No, but it takes away the counter argument that the something is "needed."

That's a non-existent argument; the argument that it is "justified" is much more prevalent.
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7/20/2012 6:10:32 PM
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At 7/20/2012 6:03:04 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:55:52 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:54:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:53:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
The guy was wearing a bullet proof vest and carrying an assault rifle that holds 100 rounds. How can you oppose such basic gun regulation? What else can you do with 100 rounds than massacre innocent people?

Home defence.

handguns and shotguns are better for that task.

Handguns? Definitely not. Shotguns? Maybe. Regardless, an automatic rifle causes a wide spray of bullets that guarantees the worst shooter to hit a target; shotguns and handguns are much more aim-oriented.

You need to learn about guns, the recoil from most autos causes the spray of bullets to go upwards, not outwards. Meaning only the first few bullets will go towards your target, the rest will go into the ceiling.

Also, most autos are very accurate, since they are designed with moderate range in mind.

Hand guns are superior because they are smaller, and so easier to keep on your person (should your home be invaded while you're making dinner, or taking a crap) or keep near your bed while sleeping (you can keep a handgun under your pillow, not that I would recommend that, but you can't keep an AR15 there).

They are also better since their size makes them quicker on the draw.
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7/20/2012 6:12:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 5:53:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
The guy was wearing a bullet proof vest and carrying an assault rifle that holds 100 rounds. How can you oppose such basic gun regulation? What else can you do with 100 rounds than massacre innocent people?

The time has come to come to understand that a Tech-9 semi-automatic -bullet weapon like that, that killed my son, is not used to kill deer. It has no useful purpose. It is time to address this problem. "
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7/20/2012 6:13:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 6:07:43 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/20/2012 6:05:26 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 6:03:58 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Furthermore, if something is better it doesn't mean that you should get rid of the inferior good.

No, but it takes away the counter argument that the something is "needed."

That's a non-existent argument; the argument that it is "justified" is much more prevalent.

not really. The most common argument is "why would you need an automatic rifle?"

Followed by "home defense."

This was almost spot on to what 000ike and you just did, except that Ike use "would could you do with..." rather than "why would you need..."

Either way, they are the same argument string, just different words. So you can't say the argument is "non-existent" when clearly it is.
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7/20/2012 6:14:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 6:10:32 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 6:03:04 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:55:52 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:54:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:53:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
The guy was wearing a bullet proof vest and carrying an assault rifle that holds 100 rounds. How can you oppose such basic gun regulation? What else can you do with 100 rounds than massacre innocent people?

Home defence.

handguns and shotguns are better for that task.

Handguns? Definitely not. Shotguns? Maybe. Regardless, an automatic rifle causes a wide spray of bullets that guarantees the worst shooter to hit a target; shotguns and handguns are much more aim-oriented.

You need to learn about guns, the recoil from most autos causes the spray of bullets to go upwards, not outwards. Meaning only the first few bullets will go towards your target, the rest will go into the ceiling.

Depends on what guns. I've shot an MP5 before in full auto with an entire mag and I hit 90% of my shots on the target.

Furthermore, burst firing eliminates your problem.

Also, most autos are very accurate, since they are designed with moderate range in mind.

Was the "are" supposed to be an "aren't," considering previous context?

Hand guns are superior because they are smaller, and so easier to keep on your person (should your home be invaded while you're making dinner, or taking a crap) or keep near your bed while sleeping (you can keep a handgun under your pillow, not that I would recommend that, but you can't keep an AR15 there).

True, but a handgun has limited shots and in case somebody comes into your house, it is unlikely that you will be able to comprehensively aim each and every shot under this pressure. On the other hand, an automatic rifle fired in bursts really doesn't need that.

They are also better since their size makes them quicker on the draw.

This isn't the Wild West.
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7/20/2012 6:22:01 PM
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At 7/20/2012 5:45:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
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It would seem that someone wasn't a little right in the head.

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7/20/2012 6:27:37 PM
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At 7/20/2012 6:03:04 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:55:52 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:54:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:53:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
The guy was wearing a bullet proof vest and carrying an assault rifle that holds 100 rounds. How can you oppose such basic gun regulation? What else can you do with 100 rounds than massacre innocent people?

Home defence.

handguns and shotguns are better for that task.

Handguns? Definitely not. Shotguns? Maybe. Regardless, an automatic rifle causes a wide spray of bullets that guarantees the worst shooter to hit a target; shotguns and handguns are much more aim-oriented.

No, a shotgun is better by far for poor shots, as well as rednecks in all honesty: they are better aim for newbies up to around 20 to 30 feet away, any more and - unless you live in a mansion - they're out of your house and running away.
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7/20/2012 6:28:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 6:14:25 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/20/2012 6:10:32 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 6:03:04 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:55:52 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:54:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:53:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
The guy was wearing a bullet proof vest and carrying an assault rifle that holds 100 rounds. How can you oppose such basic gun regulation? What else can you do with 100 rounds than massacre innocent people?

Home defence.

handguns and shotguns are better for that task.

Handguns? Definitely not. Shotguns? Maybe. Regardless, an automatic rifle causes a wide spray of bullets that guarantees the worst shooter to hit a target; shotguns and handguns are much more aim-oriented.

You need to learn about guns, the recoil from most autos causes the spray of bullets to go upwards, not outwards. Meaning only the first few bullets will go towards your target, the rest will go into the ceiling.

Depends on what guns. I've shot an MP5 before in full auto with an entire mag and I hit 90% of my shots on the target.

Furthermore, burst firing eliminates your problem.

Also, most autos are very accurate, since they are designed with moderate range in mind.

Was the "are" supposed to be an "aren't," considering previous context?

No, it was supposed to be "are." Assault rifles are very accurate in that they hit where the barrel is pointing. The inaccuracy is caused because recoil moves the barrel.

So, if your aim is bad (meaning you don't line the barrel up with your target) you will miss, and most missing on a human target is side to side (since a human target is only about 18 inches wide, while about 70 inches tall), and the recoil causes vertical barrel movement, so if you are off side to side at all, you will miss.


Hand guns are superior because they are smaller, and so easier to keep on your person (should your home be invaded while you're making dinner, or taking a crap) or keep near your bed while sleeping (you can keep a handgun under your pillow, not that I would recommend that, but you can't keep an AR15 there).

True, but a handgun has limited shots and in case somebody comes into your house, it is unlikely that you will be able to comprehensively aim each and every shot under this pressure. On the other hand, an automatic rifle fired in bursts really doesn't need that.

That old guy that defended that store (or whatever it was) caused the criminals to flee after 1 shot. Also, if you can't hit a 5+ foot target from 10-20 feet away with 8 bullets, 100 isn't likely going to make a difference. Because if after 8 shots the guy hasn't run away, he is likely armed and has probably put a few bullets in you by then.


They are also better since their size makes them quicker on the draw.

This isn't the Wild West.

your point? There is still a time factor when it comes to waking up and seeing a figure in your door way and drawing your gun to defend yourself.
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7/20/2012 6:39:47 PM
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He also identified himself as the joker, dyed his hair red, and booby trapped his own apartment. I wander what his motive was beside obvious mental derangement's.
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7/20/2012 6:42:30 PM
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At 7/20/2012 6:39:47 PM, phantom wrote:
He also identified himself as the joker, dyed his hair red, and booby trapped his own apartment. I wander what his motive was beside obvious mental derangement's.

Someone's still on track... I just read story about it, and I don't understand it. He was a Ph.D. candidate at a Medical University. Now this. He was obviously intelligent enough to rig his apartment literally Joker-style so that the police still haven't disarmed his booby traps. I don't know what hid motive could be other than him actually believing that he was the Joker.
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7/20/2012 6:43:07 PM
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Oh, and this promotes the point of something I say a lot: removing gun regulation in public doesn't work. Regulation stops cases like this, but more importantly the assumption that people can "fight back" is just false: when you have a pistol and the guy is fully decked out, you don't go for the shot, you hit the ground or hide or run. Surprise and positioning is ten times more important than any weapon. The only exception to this is when those trained in the situation are involved - which gives itself special consideration for self-evident reasons.

One quetsion though: how was he caught?
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7/20/2012 6:44:57 PM
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At 7/20/2012 6:27:37 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 7/20/2012 6:03:04 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:55:52 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:54:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/20/2012 5:53:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
The guy was wearing a bullet proof vest and carrying an assault rifle that holds 100 rounds. How can you oppose such basic gun regulation? What else can you do with 100 rounds than massacre innocent people?

Home defence.

handguns and shotguns are better for that task.

Handguns? Definitely not. Shotguns? Maybe. Regardless, an automatic rifle causes a wide spray of bullets that guarantees the worst shooter to hit a target; shotguns and handguns are much more aim-oriented.

No, a shotgun is better by far for poor shots, as well as rednecks in all honesty: they are better aim for newbies up to around 20 to 30 feet away, any more and - unless you live in a mansion - they're out of your house and running away.

As SH says, shotguns, namely with bird shot, like #4 - #7 with a full cylinder choke is the best for home defense. You don't need good aim, you just need to be close. The scatter also means that the invader will have multiple wounds over their body, rather than a single wound.

If the person is wearing body armor (unlikely for a home robbery, but not unheard of), it is more likely that a pellet or two will hit uncovered sections of the body (like the neck).

Typically, the first shot is just a "point close to them and pull the trigger" if they don't instantly run (since they will most likely survive the shot), the next shot is directed towards the face (where they may still live, but they will be forever scarred, sucka).
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7/20/2012 6:47:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 6:43:07 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Oh, and this promotes the point of something I say a lot: removing gun regulation in public doesn't work. Regulation stops cases like this, but more importantly the assumption that people can "fight back" is just false: when you have a pistol and the guy is fully decked out, you don't go for the shot, you hit the ground or hide or run. Surprise and positioning is ten times more important than any weapon. The only exception to this is when those trained in the situation are involved - which gives itself special consideration for self-evident reasons.

One quetsion though: how was he caught?

I think he wanted to be caught. Police arrested him in his car, even though he had 3 guns on him, and another in the back seat. I haven't read anything of him resisting the police.
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7/20/2012 6:47:13 PM
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At 7/20/2012 6:42:30 PM, mark.marrocco wrote:
At 7/20/2012 6:39:47 PM, phantom wrote:
He also identified himself as the joker, dyed his hair red, and booby trapped his own apartment. I wander what his motive was beside obvious mental derangement's.

Someone's still on track... I just read story about it, and I don't understand it. He was a Ph.D. candidate at a Medical University. Now this. He was obviously intelligent enough to rig his apartment literally Joker-style so that the police still haven't disarmed his booby traps. I don't know what hid motive could be other than him actually believing that he was the Joker.

Neuro science major I believe. Apparantely "no-one" knew him and he kept to himself. Wander why he told the police he rigged the apartment.
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7/20/2012 6:48:43 PM
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At 7/20/2012 6:47:13 PM, phantom wrote:
At 7/20/2012 6:42:30 PM, mark.marrocco wrote:
At 7/20/2012 6:39:47 PM, phantom wrote:
He also identified himself as the joker, dyed his hair red, and booby trapped his own apartment. I wander what his motive was beside obvious mental derangement's.

Someone's still on track... I just read story about it, and I don't understand it. He was a Ph.D. candidate at a Medical University. Now this. He was obviously intelligent enough to rig his apartment literally Joker-style so that the police still haven't disarmed his booby traps. I don't know what hid motive could be other than him actually believing that he was the Joker.

Neuro science major I believe. Apparantely "no-one" knew him and he kept to himself. Wander why he told the police he rigged the apartment.

And oddly, he actually did rig the apartment (most people that make such claims are often lying).

It seems like he wanted to kill people, but not harm police.
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7/20/2012 6:49:22 PM
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In regards to all of the weapons debating though, maybe he shouldn't have been allowed to have assault rifles with that much ammo, probably not. However, he definitely shouldn't have had enough explosives to rig his apartment so that it is likely going to blow his whole house, and maybe his neighbors.

That being said, the 2nd amendment is, to me, unambiguous. It unequivocally states that each citizen has the right to bear arms.
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7/20/2012 6:51:31 PM
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At 7/20/2012 6:49:22 PM, mark.marrocco wrote:
In regards to all of the weapons debating though, maybe he shouldn't have been allowed to have assault rifles with that much ammo, probably not. However, he definitely shouldn't have had enough explosives to rig his apartment so that it is likely going to blow his whole house, and maybe his neighbors.

That being said, the 2nd amendment is, to me, unambiguous. It unequivocally states that each citizen has the right to bear arms.
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7/20/2012 6:52:34 PM
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At 7/20/2012 6:48:43 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 6:47:13 PM, phantom wrote:
At 7/20/2012 6:42:30 PM, mark.marrocco wrote:
At 7/20/2012 6:39:47 PM, phantom wrote:
He also identified himself as the joker, dyed his hair red, and booby trapped his own apartment. I wander what his motive was beside obvious mental derangement's.

Someone's still on track... I just read story about it, and I don't understand it. He was a Ph.D. candidate at a Medical University. Now this. He was obviously intelligent enough to rig his apartment literally Joker-style so that the police still haven't disarmed his booby traps. I don't know what hid motive could be other than him actually believing that he was the Joker.

Neuro science major I believe. Apparantely "no-one" knew him and he kept to himself. Wander why he told the police he rigged the apartment.

And oddly, he actually did rig the apartment (most people that make such claims are often lying).

It seems like he wanted to kill people, but not harm police.

Yeah I know he did rig it. There were bottles of some kind of liquid with wires or something connected I think, which they saw through the window. I'm just wandering why he would rig it, then tell the police. What was his purpose for booby trapping it if he's going to tell the police about it?
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7/20/2012 6:53:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 6:48:43 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 6:47:13 PM, phantom wrote:
At 7/20/2012 6:42:30 PM, mark.marrocco wrote:
At 7/20/2012 6:39:47 PM, phantom wrote:
He also identified himself as the joker, dyed his hair red, and booby trapped his own apartment. I wander what his motive was beside obvious mental derangement's.

Someone's still on track... I just read story about it, and I don't understand it. He was a Ph.D. candidate at a Medical University. Now this. He was obviously intelligent enough to rig his apartment literally Joker-style so that the police still haven't disarmed his booby traps. I don't know what hid motive could be other than him actually believing that he was the Joker.

Neuro science major I believe. Apparantely "no-one" knew him and he kept to himself. Wander why he told the police he rigged the apartment.

And oddly, he actually did rig the apartment (most people that make such claims are often lying).

It seems like he wanted to kill people, but not harm police.

Yeah, that's why I thought it was so strange I think. He follows through on "intricately" rigging his apartment, they said they "couldn't figure out what to do with it yet," but then goes ahead and tells them about it. He arms -- and armors -- himself to the teeth to kill civilians, but doesn't resist arrest at all.

And what? He was a neuroscience major who would've known quite a lot about psychoses, and even possibly have the opportunity to scan his own brain for dysfunction? Yet this. I don't understand it.
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7/20/2012 6:55:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 6:51:31 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 6:49:22 PM, mark.marrocco wrote:
In regards to all of the weapons debating though, maybe he shouldn't have been allowed to have assault rifles with that much ammo, probably not. However, he definitely shouldn't have had enough explosives to rig his apartment so that it is likely going to blow his whole house, and maybe his neighbors.

That being said, the 2nd amendment is, to me, unambiguous. It unequivocally states that each citizen has the right to bear arms.



LOL I know, I've seen this episode. Awesome show. That being said, that only demonstrates the absurdity of the debate around it even more.
"Belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence."