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jat93
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11/20/2012 12:49:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/20/2012 7:42:09 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
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In my opinion the problem with using videos/photos like this is that you can find examples of it almost equally on both sides... If you've got a problem with zionism, Israeli lobby's influence in America, and/or the state of Israel, best to directly argue against those belief systems/institutions and the things that have been carried out because of them. My facebook newsfeed right now is full of my strongly zionist friends (unfortunately this means almost everyone I know from my years in school with the exception of college) sharing videos of Palestinians/Palestinian representatives/pro-Palestinian rallies being hostile, disingenuous, or whatever. It proves nothing, though. Personally, as a strong pro-Palestinian/anti-occupation advocate, I like to bring the conversation back to two years in particular: 1948 and 1967. Why? Because, well, I'll illustrate with two examples:

I saw a protester holding a sign that says the following: "You take my water, burn my olive trees, destroy my house, take my job, steal my land, imprison my father, kill my mother, bomb my country, starve us all, humiliate us all, BUT I am to blame - I shot a rocket back."

And of course, his awesomeness Noam Avram Chomsky wrote:

"Israel uses sophisticated attack jets and naval vessels to bomb densely-crowded refugee camps, schools, apartment blocks, mosques, and slums to attack a population that has no air force, no air defense, no navy, no heavy weapons, no artillery units, no mechanized armor, no command in control, no army" and calls it a war. It is not a war, it is murder. When Israelis in the occupied territories now claim that they have to defend themselves, they are defending themselves in the sense that any military occupier has to defend itself against the population they are crushing. You can't defend yourself when you're militarily occupying someone else's land. That's not defense. Call it what you like, it's not defense."

Also, noting the disproportionate amount of influence/power that AIPAC holds on the American political landscape is always effective. Not with my Jewish friends though, who have been propagandized into thinking that AIPAC is good because it supports Israel and the Israeli government is good because it's a democracy and the IDF is the most moral army in the world and the land belongs to the Jews, etc.
truthseeker613
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11/20/2012 3:21:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/20/2012 12:49:08 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 11/20/2012 7:42:09 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
https://www.youtube.com...

In my opinion the problem with using videos/photos like this is that you can find examples of it almost equally on both sides...

Case in point:

http://www.theblaze.com...#
http://www.nydailynews.com...

royalpaladin: I'd rather support people who kill spies than a nation that organizes assassination squads (Kidon) to illegally enter into other nations and kill anybody who is not a Zionist. Who knows when they'll kill me for the crime of not supporting Israel?

Koopin: LOL! I just imagine Royal sitting in here apartment at night, when suddenly she hears a man outside speaking Hebrew as sh
jat93
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11/20/2012 7:02:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/20/2012 3:21:51 PM, truthseeker613 wrote:
At 11/20/2012 12:49:08 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 11/20/2012 7:42:09 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
https://www.youtube.com...

In my opinion the problem with using videos/photos like this is that you can find examples of it almost equally on both sides...

Case in point:

http://www.theblaze.com...#

Exactly. Both sides have done disgusting things, committed gross human rights violations; photos and videos capturing some of those things are often misleading and don't provide the context needed to understand the action(s) caught on tape.
TheElderScroll
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11/21/2012 8:12:13 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Hamas is much worse, in my opinion, since the terrorist group is dedicated in its charter to Israel"s destruction. Now, let's not forget Tehran...
Clash
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11/21/2012 8:47:00 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
The Muslim world must unite. That's the only way to destroy the Zionists and end their sick crimes. Unfortunately, very few Muslim nations have the courage to unite with other Muslim nations and go against the Zionists (mostly because they know that the US and some other countries from Europe will come and help them).
MouthWash
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11/21/2012 3:34:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/20/2012 7:42:09 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
https://www.youtube.com...

Some Zionists got violent against anti-Zionists? Zionism is evil!
"Well, that gives whole new meaning to my assassination. If I was going to die anyway, perhaps I should leave the Bolsheviks' descendants some Christmas cookies instead of breaking their dishes and vodka bottles in their sleep." -Tsar Nicholas II (YYW)