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Lordknukle
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1/22/2013 5:56:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Free speech except when it offends us ftw.
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1Devilsadvocate
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1/22/2013 11:36:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/22/2013 5:56:23 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Free speech except when it offends us ftw.

What does Free speech have to do with anything?

Did I say that it should be outlawed?

I just found it odd & appalling. Especially after seeing the quotes.
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Lordknukle
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1/23/2013 12:21:09 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/22/2013 11:36:27 PM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
At 1/22/2013 5:56:23 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Free speech except when it offends us ftw.

What does Free speech have to do with anything?

Did I say that it should be outlawed?

I just found it odd & appalling. Especially after seeing the quotes.

It seemed as if that was the implicit sentiment of most people within the article. My apologies if it wasn't yours.
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Franz_Reynard
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1/23/2013 9:34:28 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/22/2013 5:56:23 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Free speech except when it offends us ftw.

Other popular Hitler apps available on Google Play Store includes the Arab-language app called Hitler's Sayings, which allows users to read and share what it describes as Hitler's "beautiful sayings that we could benefit from in our lives," according to the Anti-Defamation League's (ADL) website. The ADL states that hateful Hitler quotes in Arabic are made available to users and include such quotes as, "Jews are like mosquitoes that suck our blood."

Hate speech is not protected by the Bill of Rights.
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1/23/2013 9:59:01 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/23/2013 9:34:28 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 1/22/2013 5:56:23 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Free speech except when it offends us ftw.

Other popular Hitler apps available on Google Play Store includes the Arab-language app called Hitler's Sayings, which allows users to read and share what it describes as Hitler's "beautiful sayings that we could benefit from in our lives," according to the Anti-Defamation League's (ADL) website. The ADL states that hateful Hitler quotes in Arabic are made available to users and include such quotes as, "Jews are like mosquitoes that suck our blood."

Hate speech is not protected by the Bill of Rights.

Yes it is. The 1st Amendment is there precisely for things deemed hate speech.

What if we defined "Conservatives are wackjobs" as hate speech and you got arrested?
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1/23/2013 10:25:15 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/23/2013 9:59:01 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/23/2013 9:34:28 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 1/22/2013 5:56:23 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Free speech except when it offends us ftw.

Other popular Hitler apps available on Google Play Store includes the Arab-language app called Hitler's Sayings, which allows users to read and share what it describes as Hitler's "beautiful sayings that we could benefit from in our lives," according to the Anti-Defamation League's (ADL) website. The ADL states that hateful Hitler quotes in Arabic are made available to users and include such quotes as, "Jews are like mosquitoes that suck our blood."

Hate speech is not protected by the Bill of Rights.

Yes it is. The 1st Amendment is there precisely for things deemed hate speech.

What if we defined "Conservatives are wackjobs" as hate speech and you got arrested?

Hate speech: In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group. The law may identify a protected individual or a protected group by disability, ethnicity, gender, gender identity, nationality, religion, race, sexual orientation,[3][4] or other characteristic.[5][6] In some countries, a victim of hate speech may seek redress under civil law, criminal law, or both. A website that uses hate speech is called a hate site. Most of these sites contain Internet forums and news briefs that emphasize a particular viewpoint. There has been debate over how freedom of speech applies to the Internet.

Conservatives are not a protected group. Conservatism is ideological, not characteristic.

No, hate speech is not protected by the First Amendment: Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws. The freedom is not absolute; the Supreme Court of the United States has recognized several categories of speech that are excluded from the freedom of speech, and it has recognized that governments may enact reasonable time, place, or manner restrictions on speech.
Franz_Reynard
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1/23/2013 10:29:11 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Notable exceptions to the First Amendment free speech includes:

Defamation
Invasion of privacy
Intentional infliction of emotional distress
Fighting words

So!

If I came up to you and said conservatives are wackjobs, and you punched me in the face, you may get away with it due to First Amendment exclusions.

Therein lies the diff. ;)
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1/23/2013 6:43:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/23/2013 10:25:15 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 1/23/2013 9:59:01 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/23/2013 9:34:28 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 1/22/2013 5:56:23 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Free speech except when it offends us ftw.

Other popular Hitler apps available on Google Play Store includes the Arab-language app called Hitler's Sayings, which allows users to read and share what it describes as Hitler's "beautiful sayings that we could benefit from in our lives," according to the Anti-Defamation League's (ADL) website. The ADL states that hateful Hitler quotes in Arabic are made available to users and include such quotes as, "Jews are like mosquitoes that suck our blood."

Hate speech is not protected by the Bill of Rights.

Yes it is. The 1st Amendment is there precisely for things deemed hate speech.

What if we defined "Conservatives are wackjobs" as hate speech and you got arrested?

Hate speech: In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group. The law may identify a protected individual or a protected group by disability, ethnicity, gender, gender identity, nationality, religion, race, sexual orientation,[3][4] or other characteristic.[5][6] In some countries, a victim of hate speech may seek redress under civil law, criminal law, or both. A website that uses hate speech is called a hate site. Most of these sites contain Internet forums and news briefs that emphasize a particular viewpoint. There has been debate over how freedom of speech applies to the Internet.

Conservatives are not a protected group. Conservatism is ideological, not characteristic.

No, hate speech is not protected by the First Amendment: Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws. The freedom is not absolute; the Supreme Court of the United States has recognized several categories of speech that are excluded from the freedom of speech, and it has recognized that governments may enact reasonable time, place, or manner restrictions on speech.

So because hate speech is generally accepted to be wrong, the government can take legal action against anybody who says something that is deemed 'dangerous'? that seems like a slippery slope.
Franz_Reynard
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1/24/2013 8:41:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/23/2013 6:43:33 PM, natoast wrote:
At 1/23/2013 10:25:15 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 1/23/2013 9:59:01 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/23/2013 9:34:28 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 1/22/2013 5:56:23 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Free speech except when it offends us ftw.

Other popular Hitler apps available on Google Play Store includes the Arab-language app called Hitler's Sayings, which allows users to read and share what it describes as Hitler's "beautiful sayings that we could benefit from in our lives," according to the Anti-Defamation League's (ADL) website. The ADL states that hateful Hitler quotes in Arabic are made available to users and include such quotes as, "Jews are like mosquitoes that suck our blood."

Hate speech is not protected by the Bill of Rights.

Yes it is. The 1st Amendment is there precisely for things deemed hate speech.

What if we defined "Conservatives are wackjobs" as hate speech and you got arrested?

Hate speech: In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group. The law may identify a protected individual or a protected group by disability, ethnicity, gender, gender identity, nationality, religion, race, sexual orientation,[3][4] or other characteristic.[5][6] In some countries, a victim of hate speech may seek redress under civil law, criminal law, or both. A website that uses hate speech is called a hate site. Most of these sites contain Internet forums and news briefs that emphasize a particular viewpoint. There has been debate over how freedom of speech applies to the Internet.

Conservatives are not a protected group. Conservatism is ideological, not characteristic.

No, hate speech is not protected by the First Amendment: Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws. The freedom is not absolute; the Supreme Court of the United States has recognized several categories of speech that are excluded from the freedom of speech, and it has recognized that governments may enact reasonable time, place, or manner restrictions on speech.

So because hate speech is generally accepted to be wrong, the government can take legal action against anybody who says something that is deemed 'dangerous'? that seems like a slippery slope.

And it would be, if one didn't trust the government.

Might you be subversive?
natoast
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1/24/2013 9:48:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/24/2013 8:41:10 PM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 1/23/2013 6:43:33 PM, natoast wrote:
At 1/23/2013 10:25:15 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 1/23/2013 9:59:01 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/23/2013 9:34:28 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 1/22/2013 5:56:23 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Free speech except when it offends us ftw.

Other popular Hitler apps available on Google Play Store includes the Arab-language app called Hitler's Sayings, which allows users to read and share what it describes as Hitler's "beautiful sayings that we could benefit from in our lives," according to the Anti-Defamation League's (ADL) website. The ADL states that hateful Hitler quotes in Arabic are made available to users and include such quotes as, "Jews are like mosquitoes that suck our blood."

Hate speech is not protected by the Bill of Rights.

Yes it is. The 1st Amendment is there precisely for things deemed hate speech.

What if we defined "Conservatives are wackjobs" as hate speech and you got arrested?

Hate speech: In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group. The law may identify a protected individual or a protected group by disability, ethnicity, gender, gender identity, nationality, religion, race, sexual orientation,[3][4] or other characteristic.[5][6] In some countries, a victim of hate speech may seek redress under civil law, criminal law, or both. A website that uses hate speech is called a hate site. Most of these sites contain Internet forums and news briefs that emphasize a particular viewpoint. There has been debate over how freedom of speech applies to the Internet.

Conservatives are not a protected group. Conservatism is ideological, not characteristic.

No, hate speech is not protected by the First Amendment: Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws. The freedom is not absolute; the Supreme Court of the United States has recognized several categories of speech that are excluded from the freedom of speech, and it has recognized that governments may enact reasonable time, place, or manner restrictions on speech.

So because hate speech is generally accepted to be wrong, the government can take legal action against anybody who says something that is deemed 'dangerous'? that seems like a slippery slope.

And it would be, if one didn't trust the government.

Might you be subversive?

It just seems like defining non-protected speech as something that may incite violence is too vague. The creators of this app shouldn't be punished until someone actually commits a crime because of it. preemptive striking seems to easy to abuse.
johnnyboy54
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1/24/2013 10:50:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/23/2013 10:25:15 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 1/23/2013 9:59:01 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/23/2013 9:34:28 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 1/22/2013 5:56:23 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Free speech except when it offends us ftw.

Other popular Hitler apps available on Google Play Store includes the Arab-language app called Hitler's Sayings, which allows users to read and share what it describes as Hitler's "beautiful sayings that we could benefit from in our lives," according to the Anti-Defamation League's (ADL) website. The ADL states that hateful Hitler quotes in Arabic are made available to users and include such quotes as, "Jews are like mosquitoes that suck our blood."

Hate speech is not protected by the Bill of Rights.

Yes it is. The 1st Amendment is there precisely for things deemed hate speech.

What if we defined "Conservatives are wackjobs" as hate speech and you got arrested?

Hate speech: In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group. The law may identify a protected individual or a protected group by disability, ethnicity, gender, gender identity, nationality, religion, race, sexual orientation,[3][4] or other characteristic.[5][6] In some countries, a victim of hate speech may seek redress under civil law, criminal law, or both. A website that uses hate speech is called a hate site. Most of these sites contain Internet forums and news briefs that emphasize a particular viewpoint. There has been debate over how freedom of speech applies to the Internet.

Conservatives are not a protected group. Conservatism is ideological, not characteristic.

No, hate speech is not protected by the First Amendment: Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws. The freedom is not absolute; the Supreme Court of the United States has recognized several categories of speech that are excluded from the freedom of speech, and it has recognized that governments may enact reasonable time, place, or manner restrictions on speech.

Yes there are forms of speech that are illegal. Hate speech is not one of them. See R.A.V. vs City of St. Paul.
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johnnyboy54
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1/24/2013 10:52:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/23/2013 10:29:11 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
Notable exceptions to the First Amendment free speech includes:

Defamation
Invasion of privacy
Intentional infliction of emotional distress
Fighting words

So!

If I came up to you and said conservatives are wackjobs, and you punched me in the face, you may get away with it due to First Amendment exclusions.

Therein lies the diff. ;)

The difference is the intent of the speech. If I were to say hate speech regarding a certain race, then that is protected speech. But if I were to say it directly to a person in an effort to incite violence, that is not protected speech.
I didn't order assholes with my whiskey.