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Cermank
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6/2/2013 3:27:36 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Hundreds arrested in anti-government protests in 48 cities, despite calls for calm from Prime Minister Erdogan.
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Turkey was braced for a third day of anti-government demonstrations following two days of battles between police and protesters, with unrest spreading to 48 cities.

Riot police pulled back on Saturday after being accused of heavyhanded tactics, but there were fresh clashes near the offices of the Turkish prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan in the capital Ankara.

Riot police with electric shock batons chased stone-throwing demonstrators into side streets and shops in the Kizilay district.

There were also protests in the Aegean coastal city Izmir.

During the day, crowds of protesters in Istanbul chanting "shoulder to shoulder against fascism" and "government resign" marched on Taksim Square in one of the largest demonstrations against Erdogan's government.

Clashes also raged on during the night, with thousands marching through Turkey's largest city against the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP).

What began as disquiet over a development project in Istanbul has escalated into widespread anger against what critics say is the government's increasingly conservative and authoritarian agenda.

They cite the restrictions on alcohol and warnings against public displays of affection.

As night fell on Saturday, broken glass, rocks and an overturned car littered Istanbul's Taksim Square, where hundreds were injured in clashes the day before.

Muammer Guler, the interior minister, said police had detained 939 protesters in over 90 demonstrations in 48 cities, adding that some of them were released after being interviewed.

He said 53 civilians and 26 police were injured. One of the injured civilians was in intensive care unit at an Istanbul hospital..

Police withdraw

The Istanbul protest began last Monday as a peaceful sit-in at Gezi Park across Taksim Square. The demonstrators had been preventing workers from razing some of the 600 trees in the park, the last patch of green in the commercial area, to make way for the restoration of Ottoman-era military barracks.

Residents fear that the barracks will be turned into a shopping centre.

The demonstration soon took a violent turn, with police shooting tear gas at the protesters.

Earlier on Saturday, thousands of protesters in Istanbul celebrated a victory as police withdrew from Taksim Square.

Mevlut Cavusoglu, AKP's vice president of foreign affairs, told Al Jazeera that protests turned violent with demonstrators attacking police cars and destroying property.

But he admitted that police officers used "excessive force" against demonstrators and said it would be investigated.

"It is true police used excessive force and this is not acceptable," he said.

"We cannot accept this because we have been trying to democratise this country."

Erdogan defiant

Erdogan also admitted on Saturday there may have been some cases of "extreme" police action.

"I call on the protesters to stop their demonstrations immediately," he said in a televised address.

"It is true that there have been some mistakes, extremism in police response."

Erdogan, however, remained defiant, pledging to push forward with the plans to redevelop Taksim Square.

"Every four years we hold elections and this nation makes its choice.

Erdogan said the redevelopment of Gezi Park was being used as an excuse for the unrest and warned the main opposition Republican People's Party (CHP), which had been given permission to hold a rally in Istanbul, against stirring tensions.

Both the UK and US called on Turkey's government to exercise restraint.
Eitan_Zohar
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6/3/2013 3:26:01 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/2/2013 3:29:07 AM, Cermank wrote:
It started with protests about a developmental project.

This is wierd.

No, look at the Romanian Revolution. Started off as a small protest against a deportation of a Hungarian Pastor, and ended up overthrowing the government. People who are angry just need a spark.

I doubt anything will happen. Erdogan is still pretty popular, and Turkey is a developed country.
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wrichcirw
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6/8/2013 12:43:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/2/2013 3:29:07 AM, Cermank wrote:
It started with protests about a developmental project.

This is wierd.

Was Tunisia and the Arab Spring really a reaction to one man immolating himself? No. It was much more than that.

And please, cite your sources.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
Cermank
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6/8/2013 1:41:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/8/2013 12:43:20 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 6/2/2013 3:29:07 AM, Cermank wrote:
It started with protests about a developmental project.

This is wierd.

Was Tunisia and the Arab Spring really a reaction to one man immolating himself? No. It was much more than that.

And please, cite your sources.

I'll probably answer this extensively after some sleep in my system.

But have a snicker, sir.
Cermank
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6/8/2013 8:03:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/8/2013 12:43:20 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 6/2/2013 3:29:07 AM, Cermank wrote:
It started with protests about a developmental project.

This is wierd.

Was Tunisia and the Arab Spring really a reaction to one man immolating himself? No. It was much more than that.

And please, cite your sources.

I think there's an element of chicken vs egg here. Was government repression and general unstaisfaction with the government a the 'real reason' the protests took place, or is it the government heavy handed reaction to the protests that ignited the fire.

Personally, I thought, based on preliminary reading, that the case with Turkey was the second one. But I have literally zero knowledge of Turkish politics, so I can be wrong.
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6/8/2013 9:05:03 PM
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At 6/8/2013 8:03:47 PM, Cermank wrote:
At 6/8/2013 12:43:20 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 6/2/2013 3:29:07 AM, Cermank wrote:
It started with protests about a developmental project.

This is wierd.

Was Tunisia and the Arab Spring really a reaction to one man immolating himself? No. It was much more than that.

And please, cite your sources.

I think there's an element of chicken vs egg here. Was government repression and general unstaisfaction with the government a the 'real reason' the protests took place, or is it the government heavy handed reaction to the protests that ignited the fire.

Personally, I thought, based on preliminary reading, that the case with Turkey was the second one. But I have literally zero knowledge of Turkish politics, so I can be wrong.

Remember there's also the people that just come to the protest to bang girls and/or have no idea why they're there. They place a crucial role in the positive feedback loop.
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Cermank
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6/8/2013 10:39:47 PM
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At 6/8/2013 9:05:03 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/8/2013 8:03:47 PM, Cermank wrote:
At 6/8/2013 12:43:20 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 6/2/2013 3:29:07 AM, Cermank wrote:
It started with protests about a developmental project.

This is wierd.

Was Tunisia and the Arab Spring really a reaction to one man immolating himself? No. It was much more than that.

And please, cite your sources.

I think there's an element of chicken vs egg here. Was government repression and general unstaisfaction with the government a the 'real reason' the protests took place, or is it the government heavy handed reaction to the protests that ignited the fire.

Personally, I thought, based on preliminary reading, that the case with Turkey was the second one. But I have literally zero knowledge of Turkish politics, so I can be wrong.


Remember there's also the people that just come to the protest to bang girls and/or have no idea why they're there. They place a crucial role in the positive feedback loop.

Lol it that for real? That's amazing.
sadolite
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6/16/2013 3:22:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
In all seriousness, why should I concern myself with this and if I should what should I do?
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
Cermank
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6/16/2013 10:08:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/16/2013 3:22:42 PM, sadolite wrote:
In all seriousness, why should I concern myself with this and if I should what should I do?

You should concern yourself with this because it is an exquisite example of human behaviour, and how it is affected by various policies/ reactions of the government. Plus, it is something that's still a mystery, and its fun to try to understand the ground realities there based of selective clues given out.

You should read up on it. Just because something doesn't affect America doesn't mean it's not interesting.
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6/16/2013 10:30:03 PM
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At 6/16/2013 3:22:42 PM, sadolite wrote:
In all seriousness, why should I concern myself with this and if I should what should I do?

You should vote for a President willing to nuke the new Ottoman empire.
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6/17/2013 5:56:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/2/2013 3:27:36 AM, Cermank wrote:
Hundreds arrested in anti-government protests in 48 cities, despite calls for calm from Prime Minister Erdogan.

Sorry, I just have to marvel at the stupidity of the PM for a second.

What did he expect them to say?

"Oh, we're anti-government protesters, but the head of government said we need to calm down. I guess we better calm down now."
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