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I-am-a-panda
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12/28/2009 2:39:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/28/2009 2:36:28 PM, comoncents wrote:
Liberals and Obama are freaking me out man!
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12/28/2009 2:43:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Eh, it's a politico rant, nothing more. It barely constitutes as a news piece. The author just likes to throw the word, czar, around and hint at Marxist undertones. Probably did the same for Bush.
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12/28/2009 2:45:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/28/2009 2:36:28 PM, comoncents wrote:
Obama Violates Declaration of Independence

A little crazy, no.

No, not crazy at all. This is quite commonplace. I'd actually be surprised if our dictators didn't violate the Declaration. However, when discussing Founding American doctrines, especially the Constitution, remember that these documents aren't the enemy of corrupt American leaders, they are actually designed with holes that allow them to take our Freedoms away. Not that we should even need a piece of paper to grant us freedom.
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12/28/2009 2:47:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
lol As soon as I see a commentator write out Obama's full name (just to make sure everyone sees his middle name), I know the article is going to be crap.
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12/28/2009 2:48:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/28/2009 2:47:10 PM, Vi_Veri wrote:
lol As soon as I see a commentator write out Obama's full name (just to make sure everyone sees his middle name), I know the article is going to be crap.

Haha, I had the same thought.
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12/28/2009 2:50:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/28/2009 2:48:10 PM, Puck wrote:
At 12/28/2009 2:47:10 PM, Vi_Veri wrote:
lol As soon as I see a commentator write out Obama's full name (just to make sure everyone sees his middle name), I know the article is going to be crap.

Haha, I had the same thought.

Me too lol
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12/28/2009 3:03:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/28/2009 2:43:48 PM, Puck wrote:
Eh, it's a politico rant, nothing more. It barely constitutes as a news piece. The author just likes to throw the word, czar, around and hint at Marxist undertones. Probably did the same for Bush.

Thats what i thought, but i was amused for a few seconds.

The writing is as if the person just hates obama, from his underbelly.
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12/28/2009 3:05:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/28/2009 2:50:01 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 12/28/2009 2:48:10 PM, Puck wrote:
At 12/28/2009 2:47:10 PM, Vi_Veri wrote:
lol As soon as I see a commentator write out Obama's full name (just to make sure everyone sees his middle name), I know the article is going to be crap.

Haha, I had the same thought.

Me too lol

It still never fails to make me chuckle.

Some people are just nuts.
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12/28/2009 3:21:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/28/2009 3:11:43 PM, wjmelements wrote:
I don't read rants.

They are useless and boring.

I think i may adopt your theory.
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12/28/2009 3:51:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
The only way to "Violate" the declaration would be to assist British policemen or other government agents in going after American citizens for actions done on American soil, and even then it wouldn' be referenced at the trial of the fellow who did it because treason laws are much simpler. "Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit happiness," unfortunately, is not legally binding.
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12/28/2009 4:09:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Why does it matter whether or not Obama violates the DoI?
Or the Constitution, for that matter?

We never signed either of those.
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12/28/2009 4:16:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/28/2009 4:09:02 PM, Rezzealaux wrote:
Why does it matter whether or not Obama violates the DoI?
Or the Constitution, for that matter?

We never signed either of those.

Oh, I can't wait to see comon's response to this. I need popcorn! And no-name cola!
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12/28/2009 4:25:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/28/2009 4:09:02 PM, Rezzealaux wrote:
Why does it matter whether or not Obama violates the DoI?
Or the Constitution, for that matter?

We never signed either of those.

Why... Why.
Really.

It is is the supreme law of the United States.
It is the foundation and source of the legal authority underlying the existence of the United States of America and the federal government of the United States.

It is what shaped our government and to this day is set to protect our liberties.
With out it america would not be free, with out it you would have no real free future.

If followed, it is the document that will bring us back to freedom.
Really, i know you know this stuff.

Tell Abraham Lincoln that we should not follow the Declaration of Independence.
Your Asian lets see what would happen if Ole Lincoln did not follow it.
Ragnar_Rahl
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12/28/2009 4:27:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Tell Abraham Lincoln that we should not follow the Declaration of Independence.
Your Asian lets see what would happen if Ole Lincoln did not follow it.
You mean, exactly what did happen? That's what would happen if Lincoln did not follow the principles of the Declaration of Independence.

It is is the supreme law of the United States.
It is the foundation and source of the legal authority underlying the existence of the United States of America and the federal government of the United States.
I think you're confusing the Declaration with another document.
It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.
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12/28/2009 4:30:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/28/2009 4:25:44 PM, comoncents wrote:
Tell Abraham Lincoln that we should not follow the Declaration of Independence.

I lol'd.
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12/28/2009 4:32:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/28/2009 4:27:18 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Tell Abraham Lincoln that we should not follow the Declaration of Independence.
Your Asian lets see what would happen if Ole Lincoln did not follow it.
You mean, exactly what did happen? That's what would happen if Lincoln did not follow the principles of the Declaration of Independence.

It is is the supreme law of the United States.
It is the foundation and source of the legal authority underlying the existence of the United States of America and the federal government of the United States.
I think you're confusing the Declaration with another document.

Na, he said, "Or the Constitution, for that matter?"

You know i am like a constitutional-conservative.

and yeah, i should have split talk of the two.
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12/28/2009 4:32:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/28/2009 4:30:21 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 12/28/2009 4:25:44 PM, comoncents wrote:
Tell Abraham Lincoln that we should not follow the Declaration of Independence.

I lol'd.
HaHaHa
Why?
comoncents
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12/28/2009 4:33:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/28/2009 4:25:44 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 12/28/2009 4:09:02 PM, Rezzealaux wrote:
Why does it matter whether or not Obama violates the DoI?
Or the Constitution, for that matter?

We never signed either of those.

Why... Why.
Really.


The Constitution is:
It is is the supreme law of the United States.
It is the foundation and source of the legal authority underlying the existence of the United States of America and the federal government of the United States.

It is what shaped our government and to this day is set to protect our liberties.
With out it america would not be free, with out it you would have no real free future.

If followed, it is the document that will bring us back to freedom.
Really, i know you know this stuff.


on the Declaration of Independence:
Tell Abraham Lincoln that we should not follow the Declaration of Independence.
Your Asian, lets see what would happen if Ole Lincoln did not follow it.
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12/28/2009 4:33:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
comoncents, do you honestly believe that Lincoln was a warrior for liberty?
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Ragnar_Rahl
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12/28/2009 4:34:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Still doesn't justify the idea that Lincoln followed the Constitution, let alone the Declaration. He didn't explicitly violate the latter, but only because it's legally almost nonexistent-- morally he tramples all over the unenforceable provisions.
It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.
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12/28/2009 4:34:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/28/2009 2:47:10 PM, Vi_Veri wrote:
lol As soon as I see a commentator write out Obama's full name (just to make sure everyone sees his middle name), I know the article is going to be crap.

Exactly. Some people like to just say "oh, well, it's his full name. It doesn't mean anything." People don't use his middle name (unlike Hilary Clinton, which is a comparison some make) and so using it, except in maybe some rare circumstances, is always an attempt at fear mongering.
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12/28/2009 4:34:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
The Constitution failed because of the Necessary and Proper Clause, which can be used to justify anything whatsoever.
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comoncents
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12/28/2009 4:35:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/28/2009 4:33:51 PM, wjmelements wrote:
comoncents, do you honestly believe that Lincoln was a warrior for liberty?

No, but he followed the DOI for his authority on equality.

I was just sayin.