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Volkov
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1/7/2010 2:30:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
http://www.cbc.ca...

The French just had one.

Never in my life have I heard something as stupid as "Tax Google." This goes against any sense of fiscal right and wrong. Its a ploy to prop up the music industry with the help of that semi-dictatorship we call the French government. Bah, words can't describe how stupid this seems to me.

Anyone agree?
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1/7/2010 2:35:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/7/2010 2:33:38 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
How the hell is it Googles fault?

I don't know. It makes no sense.
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1/7/2010 2:37:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/7/2010 2:35:05 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 1/7/2010 2:33:38 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
How the hell is it Googles fault?

I don't know. It makes no sense.

"What? free music sites? Let's help the music industry.....By slapping taxes on a search engine which has no direct correlation to the sites, and in fact helps us by respecting music rights on their website Youtube!" - France

Seriously, all it takes is hire some freelance computer hackes to hack the sites, or cooperating with countries to have them taken down.
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1/7/2010 2:41:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/7/2010 2:33:38 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
How the hell is it Googles fault?

I can see the point against Google Books made at the end of the article: "Last month, a French judge ruled that the U.S. internet search giant must pay the equivalent of $458,000 in damages and interest to French publisher La Martinière for unauthorized reproduction of the latter's copyrighted works without compensation. Google was also ordered to pay $15,275 per day until it removes extracts of the French books from its online Google Books database."

Is that what the entire article is about or do they just mean Google itself (i.e. the search engine)? It's never really made clear.
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1/7/2010 3:20:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Here's an article I think sheds a bit more light on the issue:

http://money.ninemsn.com.au...
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1/7/2010 4:27:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/7/2010 2:33:38 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
How the hell is it Googles fault?

Blame the pirate bay for that one. They argued that anyone could download torrents from google.
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1/7/2010 5:26:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, the French have no grounds to tax Google; it's an American-based company.
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1/7/2010 11:31:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/7/2010 5:26:27 PM, GeorgeCarlinWorshipper wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, the French have no grounds to tax Google; it's an American-based company.

Every nation can tax any company that does business on their soil. It matters not the base of the company. Tarriffs are a good example.

Not that I advocate it, I'm just saying there is precedence.
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1/8/2010 7:18:59 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
This tax is made of sadness and fail.

The music industry is just butthurt because people found a way to buy one CD and distribute it to a thousand people.

As if people couldnt and didnt do that, even before Torrents or P2P was common. Its called "Can i borrow your CD and copy it?"
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1/8/2010 8:35:46 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/8/2010 7:18:59 AM, tkubok wrote:
This tax is made of sadness and fail.

The music industry is just butthurt because people found a way to buy one CD and distribute it to a thousand people.

As if people couldnt and didnt do that, even before Torrents or P2P was common. Its called "Can i borrow your CD and copy it?"

And before that taping things from the radio.
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1/8/2010 8:42:44 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/8/2010 8:35:46 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 1/8/2010 7:18:59 AM, tkubok wrote:
This tax is made of sadness and fail.

The music industry is just butthurt because people found a way to buy one CD and distribute it to a thousand people.

As if people couldnt and didnt do that, even before Torrents or P2P was common. Its called "Can i borrow your CD and copy it?"

And before that taping things from the radio.

Yeah, i remember Universal tried to sue Sony for making the Beta Tape recording device, and lost miserably, because anything that airs on TV and is recorded, is fair play as it is publicly shown.
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1/8/2010 8:40:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
You know, when you look at why France is doing what it's doing, it's not so bad ... the problem is what France is doing. They need to find a way to get money to the works' authors while fairly putting the onus on those making the materials available. There are a few ways to do this ... legalizing all non-consensual downloads but requiring advertisers on the site to "pay" for such downloads through advertising fees would be one good way ... for example, an advertiser on a site with a download of a hit CD would have to pay a rate to the author of the CD based upon the number of downloads during the advertising period on the site allowing the download. This would compensate the author for his or her work according to its actual market value, justly charge the advertiser based upon the exposure the advertiser received (represented by downloads) and provide the ultimate consumer with a free product. Advertisers, of course, would still exist because not every service is (or can be made) available over the internet.

It would hurt the publishing industry, but sometimes that's the price one pays.
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1/9/2010 8:09:11 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
In cases where 'Google Books' violates people's copyrights they ought to be sued by those people who own the work, they ought not just be legally allowed to violate people's copyrights if they pay a blanket tax to the government; whatever it's purpose might be for it cannot have the same purposes as each individual copyright holder whose rights were violated.
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1/9/2010 11:14:27 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/8/2010 8:08:07 PM, bonnieluvs wrote:
I think the stupidest word or idea is the word pencil i just dont like it

*facepalm*
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