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Why do people hate Nelson Mandella?

Bannanawamajama
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12/11/2013 11:12:52 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
As you likely have seen, Nelson Mandella died recently, and just had his memorial service. The news, when covering this, highlighted the huge controversy, with a remarkable amount of people coming forth to denounce him as evil and tyrannical.

Honestly, I have to admitt to not knowing too much about him, because I'm American and suck at keeping up with foreign events and all, but I've never heard of anything about him being a despot. All I've heard is he tried to fight against the Apartheid and he was the first democratically elected president.

So what's the dark secret we've been evidently unaware of? Anybody know?
Puck
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12/11/2013 5:34:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/11/2013 11:12:52 AM, Bannanawamajama wrote:
he news, when covering this, highlighted the huge controversy, with a remarkable amount of people coming forth to denounce him as evil and tyrannical.

Not that I've seen that anywhere, but most criticism prior was aimed as his pro communist position, secular government ideals despite being fairly religious, and his refusal to disavow armed uprisings against the Apartheid.
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12/12/2013 8:45:54 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/11/2013 11:12:52 AM, Bannanawamajama wrote:
As you likely have seen, Nelson Mandella died recently, and just had his memorial service. The news, when covering this, highlighted the huge controversy, with a remarkable amount of people coming forth to denounce him as evil and tyrannical.

Honestly, I have to admitt to not knowing too much about him, because I'm American and suck at keeping up with foreign events and all, but I've never heard of anything about him being a despot. All I've heard is he tried to fight against the Apartheid and he was the first democratically elected president.

So what's the dark secret we've been evidently unaware of? Anybody know?

I don't know very much either, but from what I understand he planned assassinations and bombings as part of his protests against the government.
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12/12/2013 9:38:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/11/2013 11:12:52 AM, Bannanawamajama wrote:
As you likely have seen, Nelson Mandella died recently, and just had his memorial service. The news, when covering this, highlighted the huge controversy, with a remarkable amount of people coming forth to denounce him as evil and tyrannical.

Honestly, I have to admitt to not knowing too much about him, because I'm American and suck at keeping up with foreign events and all, but I've never heard of anything about him being a despot. All I've heard is he tried to fight against the Apartheid and he was the first democratically elected president.

So what's the dark secret we've been evidently unaware of? Anybody know?

Never heard of anyone calling him evil/tyrranical
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12/12/2013 9:58:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I hadnt either, till he died. Some people are responding to the tributes to him or posts about him on news or social media sites by saying these things and why we shouldn't be mouring his loss. I didn't understand why. The above debate looks interesting, but even that is more a viewpoint that he is merely a competent or average leader, not that he is in anyway deserving of scorn.
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12/14/2013 1:25:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I believe this happens when people die, because how they are mourned and commemorated will be how they are remembered throughout history and the truth is often overlooked about these 'saints' in favour of highlighting their achievements and overall impact that had of their respective movements. In the media frenzy following his death many details about his life are glossed over to save face.

I do not believe that Nelson Mandela was a perfect person, with perfectly good intentions at all times. He did openly encourage violence against whites and plenty of white South African farmers were tortured and killed at his behest. He also openly supported scumbags like Mugabe, Castro and Gaddafi.
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12/15/2013 3:12:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
http://www.nationalreview.com...

Some choice quotes:

"Long live the Cuban revolution. Long live comrade Fidel Castro " Cuban internationalists have done so much for African independence, freedom and justice. We admire the sacrifices of the Cuban people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty in the face of a vicious imperialist campaign designed to destroy the advances of the Cuban revolution. We too want to control our destiny. " There can be no surrender. It is a case of freedom or death. The Cuban revolution has been a source of inspiration to all freedom-loving people."

Those who feel irritated by our friendship with President Khadafy can go jump in the pool."

"There"s one place where (Fidel Castro"s) Cuba stands out head and shoulders above the rest " that is in its love for human rights and liberty!"

"The victory of socialism in the U.S.S.R., in the People"s Republic of China, in Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland and Rumania, where the living conditions of the people were in many respects similar and even worse than ours, proves that we too can achieve this important goal."

"Yasser Arafat was one of the outstanding freedom fighters of this generation, one who gave his entire life to the cause of the Palestinian people."

"If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don"t care for human beings."

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1Devilsadvocate
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12/15/2013 5:20:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/15/2013 3:12:45 PM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
http://www.nationalreview.com...

Some choice quotes:

"Long live the Cuban revolution. Long live comrade Fidel Castro " Cuban internationalists have done so much for African independence, freedom and justice. We admire the sacrifices of the Cuban people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty in the face of a vicious imperialist campaign designed to destroy the advances of the Cuban revolution. We too want to control our destiny. " There can be no surrender. It is a case of freedom or death. The Cuban revolution has been a source of inspiration to all freedom-loving people."

Those who feel irritated by our friendship with President Khadafy can go jump in the pool."

"There"s one place where (Fidel Castro"s) Cuba stands out head and shoulders above the rest " that is in its love for human rights and liberty!"

"The victory of socialism in the U.S.S.R., in the People"s Republic of China, in Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland and Rumania, where the living conditions of the people were in many respects similar and even worse than ours, proves that we too can achieve this important goal."

"Yasser Arafat was one of the outstanding freedom fighters of this generation, one who gave his entire life to the cause of the Palestinian people."

"If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don"t care for human beings."

http://www.wnd.com...

Just written: https://en.wikipedia.org...
I cannot write in English, because of the treacherous spelling. When I am reading, I only hear it and am unable to remember what the written word looks like."
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kiryasjoelvillage
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1/21/2014 12:19:03 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/11/2013 5:34:19 PM, Puck wrote:
At 12/11/2013 11:12:52 AM, Bannanawamajama wrote:
he news, when covering this, highlighted the huge controversy, with a remarkable amount of people coming forth to denounce him as evil and tyrannical.

Not that I've seen that anywhere, but most criticism prior was aimed as his pro communist position, secular government ideals despite being fairly religious, and his refusal to disavow armed uprisings against the Apartheid.
People should be ashamed of themselves as they are calling such a great man a terrorist.He has always worked for the welfare oh human rights.