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1/25/2014 4:28:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...
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1/25/2014 5:03:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/25/2014 4:28:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...

I can imagine you're a mixture of shaken, relieved, anxious, concerned and afraid at the same time. Shaken because this is so close to home, relieved because you weren't there, anxious because of anyone you might know who is affected by this, concerned for the people who were there and afraid that it could happen again. And I'm so sorry, man. I'm just glad that you're safe.
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1/28/2014 5:11:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
This is horrible incident, no doubt, and I hate to see this. I do disagree with you about tighter gun control laws, though.
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1/28/2014 8:47:42 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/25/2014 4:28:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...

Any update?
Was the shooting random, or was it specifically targeting someone in a public place?
My work here is, finally, done.
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1/29/2014 11:10:11 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/25/2014 4:28:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...

Any update?
Was the shooting random, or was it specifically targeting someone in a public place?
My work here is, finally, done.
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1/29/2014 11:28:22 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/29/2014 11:10:11 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/25/2014 4:28:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...

Any update?
Was the shooting random, or was it specifically targeting someone in a public place?

Yes: http://www.cnn.com...
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1/29/2014 9:49:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/25/2014 4:28:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...

Why is income relevant to your post?
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/29/2014 9:50:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/29/2014 9:49:05 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/25/2014 4:28:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...

Why is income relevant to your post?

Higher income areas have, statistically, less violent crime.
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1/29/2014 9:53:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/29/2014 9:50:48 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:49:05 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/25/2014 4:28:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...

Why is income relevant to your post?

Higher income areas have, statistically, less violent crime.

Interesting. Sorry to derail this somewhat, but what moral statement do you think that makes about income and criminality?

Are people who accept lower incomes voluntarily people who are more likely to be associated with crime, and thus of a lower moral standard?

Is greed truly good?
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/29/2014 10:03:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/29/2014 9:53:06 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:50:48 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:49:05 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/25/2014 4:28:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...

Why is income relevant to your post?

Higher income areas have, statistically, less violent crime.

Interesting. Sorry to derail this somewhat, but what moral statement do you think that makes about income and criminality?

Are people who accept lower incomes voluntarily people who are more likely to be associated with crime, and thus of a lower moral standard?

No--look at ex-Mayor Bloomberg. Poverty increase violence because there is a lack of possibility for social mobility. Poor communities have fewer opportunities, thus leaving people with little alternative but crime. Poverty does not equate to immorality; it may increase it though.

People need motives to commit crimes--feeding yourself, paying bills, etc are all powerful motives.

Is greed truly good?

No.
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1/29/2014 10:05:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/29/2014 10:03:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:53:06 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:50:48 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:49:05 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/25/2014 4:28:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...

Why is income relevant to your post?

Higher income areas have, statistically, less violent crime.

Interesting. Sorry to derail this somewhat, but what moral statement do you think that makes about income and criminality?

Are people who accept lower incomes voluntarily people who are more likely to be associated with crime, and thus of a lower moral standard?

No--look at ex-Mayor Bloomberg. Poverty increase violence because there is a lack of possibility for social mobility. Poor communities have fewer opportunities, thus leaving people with little alternative but crime. Poverty does not equate to immorality; it may increase it though.

People need motives to commit crimes--feeding yourself, paying bills, etc are all powerful motives.

So by this reasoning, income level is not relevant to crime...only poverty rates are relevant, yes?

Is greed truly good?

No.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/29/2014 10:07:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/29/2014 10:05:57 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/29/2014 10:03:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:53:06 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:50:48 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:49:05 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/25/2014 4:28:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...

Why is income relevant to your post?

Higher income areas have, statistically, less violent crime.

Interesting. Sorry to derail this somewhat, but what moral statement do you think that makes about income and criminality?

Are people who accept lower incomes voluntarily people who are more likely to be associated with crime, and thus of a lower moral standard?

No--look at ex-Mayor Bloomberg. Poverty increase violence because there is a lack of possibility for social mobility. Poor communities have fewer opportunities, thus leaving people with little alternative but crime. Poverty does not equate to immorality; it may increase it though.

People need motives to commit crimes--feeding yourself, paying bills, etc are all powerful motives.

So by this reasoning, income level is not relevant to crime...only poverty rates are relevant, yes?

I'm not sure you can say that. Poverty is important--but, up to a point, wealth increases access to opportunities (jobs, education, etc) which, in turn, reduce crime.

Is greed truly good?

No.
Live Long and Prosper

I'm a Bish.


"Twilight isn't just about obtuse metaphors between cannibalism and premarital sex, it also teaches us the futility of hope." - Raisor

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1/29/2014 10:08:47 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/29/2014 10:07:59 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 10:05:57 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/29/2014 10:03:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:53:06 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:50:48 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:49:05 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/25/2014 4:28:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...

Why is income relevant to your post?

Higher income areas have, statistically, less violent crime.

Interesting. Sorry to derail this somewhat, but what moral statement do you think that makes about income and criminality?

Are people who accept lower incomes voluntarily people who are more likely to be associated with crime, and thus of a lower moral standard?

No--look at ex-Mayor Bloomberg. Poverty increase violence because there is a lack of possibility for social mobility. Poor communities have fewer opportunities, thus leaving people with little alternative but crime. Poverty does not equate to immorality; it may increase it though.

People need motives to commit crimes--feeding yourself, paying bills, etc are all powerful motives.

So by this reasoning, income level is not relevant to crime...only poverty rates are relevant, yes?

I'm not sure you can say that. Poverty is important--but, up to a point, wealth increases access to opportunities (jobs, education, etc) which, in turn, reduce crime.

Why does wealth reduce crime? That would contradict the answer you gave below. If wealth reduces crime, then greed truly is good, yes?

Is greed truly good?

No.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/29/2014 10:17:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/29/2014 10:08:47 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/29/2014 10:07:59 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 10:05:57 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/29/2014 10:03:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:53:06 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:50:48 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:49:05 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/25/2014 4:28:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...

Why is income relevant to your post?

Higher income areas have, statistically, less violent crime.

Interesting. Sorry to derail this somewhat, but what moral statement do you think that makes about income and criminality?

Are people who accept lower incomes voluntarily people who are more likely to be associated with crime, and thus of a lower moral standard?

No--look at ex-Mayor Bloomberg. Poverty increase violence because there is a lack of possibility for social mobility. Poor communities have fewer opportunities, thus leaving people with little alternative but crime. Poverty does not equate to immorality; it may increase it though.

People need motives to commit crimes--feeding yourself, paying bills, etc are all powerful motives.

So by this reasoning, income level is not relevant to crime...only poverty rates are relevant, yes?

I'm not sure you can say that. Poverty is important--but, up to a point, wealth increases access to opportunities (jobs, education, etc) which, in turn, reduce crime.

Why does wealth reduce crime? That would contradict the answer you gave below. If wealth reduces crime, then greed truly is good, yes?

It deals with motivation, in that greed is the acquisition of wealth to be wealthy. If you acquire wealth for the public good, that is another matter.

Is greed truly good?

No.
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1/29/2014 10:20:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/29/2014 10:17:25 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 10:08:47 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/29/2014 10:07:59 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 10:05:57 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/29/2014 10:03:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:53:06 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:50:48 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:49:05 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/25/2014 4:28:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...

Why is income relevant to your post?

Higher income areas have, statistically, less violent crime.

Interesting. Sorry to derail this somewhat, but what moral statement do you think that makes about income and criminality?

Are people who accept lower incomes voluntarily people who are more likely to be associated with crime, and thus of a lower moral standard?

No--look at ex-Mayor Bloomberg. Poverty increase violence because there is a lack of possibility for social mobility. Poor communities have fewer opportunities, thus leaving people with little alternative but crime. Poverty does not equate to immorality; it may increase it though.

People need motives to commit crimes--feeding yourself, paying bills, etc are all powerful motives.

So by this reasoning, income level is not relevant to crime...only poverty rates are relevant, yes?

I'm not sure you can say that. Poverty is important--but, up to a point, wealth increases access to opportunities (jobs, education, etc) which, in turn, reduce crime.

Why does wealth reduce crime? That would contradict the answer you gave below. If wealth reduces crime, then greed truly is good, yes?

It deals with motivation, in that greed is the acquisition of wealth to be wealthy. If you acquire wealth for the public good, that is another matter.

But this wealth in Howard County is evidently for the private good, yes? This is a wealthy community and not one that gives most of its income to charity, yes?

Getting "jobs, education, etc" has nothing to do with the public good yes? All of this points to private good, and thus greed yes?

Is greed truly good?

No.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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1/29/2014 10:22:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/29/2014 10:20:00 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/29/2014 10:17:25 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 10:08:47 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/29/2014 10:07:59 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 10:05:57 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/29/2014 10:03:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:53:06 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:50:48 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 9:49:05 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/25/2014 4:28:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...

Why is income relevant to your post?

Higher income areas have, statistically, less violent crime.

Interesting. Sorry to derail this somewhat, but what moral statement do you think that makes about income and criminality?

Are people who accept lower incomes voluntarily people who are more likely to be associated with crime, and thus of a lower moral standard?

No--look at ex-Mayor Bloomberg. Poverty increase violence because there is a lack of possibility for social mobility. Poor communities have fewer opportunities, thus leaving people with little alternative but crime. Poverty does not equate to immorality; it may increase it though.

People need motives to commit crimes--feeding yourself, paying bills, etc are all powerful motives.

So by this reasoning, income level is not relevant to crime...only poverty rates are relevant, yes?

I'm not sure you can say that. Poverty is important--but, up to a point, wealth increases access to opportunities (jobs, education, etc) which, in turn, reduce crime.

Why does wealth reduce crime? That would contradict the answer you gave below. If wealth reduces crime, then greed truly is good, yes?

It deals with motivation, in that greed is the acquisition of wealth to be wealthy. If you acquire wealth for the public good, that is another matter.

But this wealth in Howard County is evidently for the private good, yes? This is a wealthy community and not one that gives most of its income to charity, yes?

Getting "jobs, education, etc" has nothing to do with the public good yes? All of this points to private good, and thus greed yes?

No--education and job creation benefit the public. Hence, there is public benefit. HoCo does do a lot for poverty--we have two poor areas under our jurisdiction where much money is spent developing those communities.
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1/29/2014 10:26:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/29/2014 10:22:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 10:20:00 PM, wrichcirw wrote:

This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...

Why is income relevant to your post?

Higher income areas have, statistically, less violent crime.

Interesting. Sorry to derail this somewhat, but what moral statement do you think that makes about income and criminality?

Are people who accept lower incomes voluntarily people who are more likely to be associated with crime, and thus of a lower moral standard?

No--look at ex-Mayor Bloomberg. Poverty increase violence because there is a lack of possibility for social mobility. Poor communities have fewer opportunities, thus leaving people with little alternative but crime. Poverty does not equate to immorality; it may increase it though.

People need motives to commit crimes--feeding yourself, paying bills, etc are all powerful motives.

So by this reasoning, income level is not relevant to crime...only poverty rates are relevant, yes?

I'm not sure you can say that. Poverty is important--but, up to a point, wealth increases access to opportunities (jobs, education, etc) which, in turn, reduce crime.

Why does wealth reduce crime? That would contradict the answer you gave below. If wealth reduces crime, then greed truly is good, yes?

It deals with motivation, in that greed is the acquisition of wealth to be wealthy. If you acquire wealth for the public good, that is another matter.

But this wealth in Howard County is evidently for the private good, yes? This is a wealthy community and not one that gives most of its income to charity, yes?

Getting "jobs, education, etc" has nothing to do with the public good yes? All of this points to private good, and thus greed yes?


No--education and job creation benefit the public. Hence, there is public benefit. HoCo does do a lot for poverty--we have two poor areas under our jurisdiction where much money is spent developing those communities.

First of all, I did not understand your argument as referring to job creation. Wealth leads to education which leads to a better paying job, yes? This is not an issue of job creation the way I understand you framing it.

When wealth does lead to job creation (i.e. entrepreneurship), those jobs are incumbent upon fueling a profitable business...otherwise those jobs will disappear. Job creation is a direct result of the impulse of greed, yes?

So I ask you again, is greed truly good?
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
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bsh1
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1/29/2014 10:29:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/29/2014 10:26:23 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 1/29/2014 10:22:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 10:20:00 PM, wrichcirw wrote:

This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...

Why is income relevant to your post?

Higher income areas have, statistically, less violent crime.

Interesting. Sorry to derail this somewhat, but what moral statement do you think that makes about income and criminality?

Are people who accept lower incomes voluntarily people who are more likely to be associated with crime, and thus of a lower moral standard?

No--look at ex-Mayor Bloomberg. Poverty increase violence because there is a lack of possibility for social mobility. Poor communities have fewer opportunities, thus leaving people with little alternative but crime. Poverty does not equate to immorality; it may increase it though.

People need motives to commit crimes--feeding yourself, paying bills, etc are all powerful motives.

So by this reasoning, income level is not relevant to crime...only poverty rates are relevant, yes?

I'm not sure you can say that. Poverty is important--but, up to a point, wealth increases access to opportunities (jobs, education, etc) which, in turn, reduce crime.

Why does wealth reduce crime? That would contradict the answer you gave below. If wealth reduces crime, then greed truly is good, yes?

It deals with motivation, in that greed is the acquisition of wealth to be wealthy. If you acquire wealth for the public good, that is another matter.

But this wealth in Howard County is evidently for the private good, yes? This is a wealthy community and not one that gives most of its income to charity, yes?

Getting "jobs, education, etc" has nothing to do with the public good yes? All of this points to private good, and thus greed yes?


No--education and job creation benefit the public. Hence, there is public benefit. HoCo does do a lot for poverty--we have two poor areas under our jurisdiction where much money is spent developing those communities.

First of all, I did not understand your argument as referring to job creation. Wealth leads to education which leads to a better paying job, yes? This is not an issue of job creation the way I understand you framing it.

When wealth does lead to job creation (i.e. entrepreneurship), those jobs are incumbent upon fueling a profitable business...otherwise those jobs will disappear. Job creation is a direct result of the impulse of greed, yes?

So I ask you again, is greed truly good?

Let's say person A wanted to start a business. He thinks he can make money of his enterprise, money that he can put towards bills and paying for his families expenses. He does not set out to make money for the sake of making money, but rather to benefit his family.

I think this thread has derailed a bit too much, and I anticipate us just going around in circles. Let's save this discourse for some other time.
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wrichcirw
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1/29/2014 10:40:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/29/2014 10:29:30 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/29/2014 10:26:23 PM, wrichcirw wrote:

So I ask you again, is greed truly good?

Let's say person A wanted to start a business. He thinks he can make money of his enterprise, money that he can put towards bills and paying for his families expenses. He does not set out to make money for the sake of making money, but rather to benefit his family.

His family does not benefit from wealth creation? What about the whole point about better jobs and better education opportunities you made beforehand?

My main point is just to get you to admit that greed is not necessarily bad, and maybe the answer to the question is "yes", and maybe there's not much reason to be ashamed of it. What is bad though is to cover it up and to answer "no," when your arguments contradict such an answer.

The main reason I brought this up is because you brought up income level in a post about crime.

I think this thread has derailed a bit too much, and I anticipate us just going around in circles. Let's save this discourse for some other time.

Fair enough, this is your thread after all.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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2/19/2014 2:35:58 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/25/2014 5:03:37 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/25/2014 4:28:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...

I can imagine you're a mixture of shaken, relieved, anxious, concerned and afraid at the same time. Shaken because this is so close to home, relieved because you weren't there, anxious because of anyone you might know who is affected by this, concerned for the people who were there and afraid that it could happen again. And I'm so sorry, man. I'm just glad that you're safe.
I feel so bad to see this...it shouldn't be .....need to be get strict security at prominent places....
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2/19/2014 5:02:23 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/25/2014 4:28:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...

Frankly, America's gun laws are stupid. You can literally go to any old town and buy an assault rifle, give it in at the airport, fly to Washington, D.C., get it back, put it in a bag, walk down the street, go inside somewhere and kill loads of people.

The problem with America is its psychology. "We're a free country, so you violate my rights to try and take my guns away from me." _ Many Americans.

Get over it. How many shooting reports do you get in other MEDCs? Next to nothing, apart from America. See the bigger picture, people.

There, rant over. :D
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2/19/2014 8:56:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/19/2014 5:02:23 AM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 1/25/2014 4:28:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...


Frankly, America's gun laws are stupid. You can literally go to any old town and buy an assault rifle, give it in at the airport, fly to Washington, D.C., get it back, put it in a bag, walk down the street, go inside somewhere and kill loads of people.

And, what, exactly is an assault rifle?

The problem with America is its psychology. "We're a free country, so you violate my rights to try and take my guns away from me." _ Many Americans.
That doesn't explain gun violence, does it?

Get over it. How many shooting reports do you get in other MEDCs? Next to nothing, apart from America. See the bigger picture, people.
I assume you are not American. Where you from?
Can you site me a legal source of your country that has statistics on types of crimes, please?

There, rant over. :D
My work here is, finally, done.
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2/19/2014 12:04:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/19/2014 8:56:18 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 2/19/2014 5:02:23 AM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 1/25/2014 4:28:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
This really freaked me out, especially since I live only 15 minutes away from the mall, and I was there Yesterday with a friend. Check out the link here. [1]

Howard County is the second richest county in America [2] and is very safe. The mall always felt safe, and I am really disturbed that something like this could happen here. It just reaffirms my desire to see tighter gun controls...

Any thought of this incident?

1 - http://www.washingtonpost.com...
2 - http://en.wikipedia.org...


Frankly, America's gun laws are stupid. You can literally go to any old town and buy an assault rifle, give it in at the airport, fly to Washington, D.C., get it back, put it in a bag, walk down the street, go inside somewhere and kill loads of people.

And, what, exactly is an assault rifle?

The problem with America is its psychology. "We're a free country, so you violate my rights to try and take my guns away from me." _ Many Americans.
That doesn't explain gun violence, does it?

Get over it. How many shooting reports do you get in other MEDCs? Next to nothing, apart from America. See the bigger picture, people.
I assume you are not American. Where you from?
Can you site me a legal source of your country that has statistics on types of crimes, please?

There, rant over. :D

Gladly. However, I would like to move this onto an appropriate forum. Let's not get off topic, here.