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Frodobaggins
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1/18/2010 2:37:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
If the soldiers don't mind I don't mind it.

They're risking their lives, I could care less what their guns say as long as they kill who they are supposed to kill.
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1/18/2010 2:40:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Simple, the company did nothing illegal or wrong. However the military has a policy that it wants to uphold. So the military should tell the company, change it or we'll go to someone else. bingo, problem solved, that puts the ball into the company's court and they can change or lose business.
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1/18/2010 2:45:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
we better be careful, it won't be long before they start putting religious stuff on our money... Or soon our presidents will be sworn in with their hands atop a bi... ah, never mind.
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1/18/2010 2:47:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Well, as if it need be said, this is outrageously stupid.

Talk about image. Jesus, this reeks of the stereotype that the West imposes religious morals.
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1/18/2010 2:51:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/18/2010 2:47:12 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
Well, as if it need be said, this is outrageously stupid.

Talk about image. Jesus, this reeks of the stereotype that the West imposes religious morals.

Yeah, and most stereotypes are true.

I'm more outraged at this:

"The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army."

Military Industrial Complex ftw.
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Ore_Ele
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1/18/2010 2:54:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/18/2010 2:51:03 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 1/18/2010 2:47:12 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
Well, as if it need be said, this is outrageously stupid.

Talk about image. Jesus, this reeks of the stereotype that the West imposes religious morals.

Yeah, and most stereotypes are true.

I'm more outraged at this:

"The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army."

Military Industrial Complex ftw.

Yeah, but the contract almost certainly has several exclusion outs that the marines can use, and since they are providing sights that violate the policy of the marines, I'm sure they can get out of the contract.
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1/18/2010 2:58:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/18/2010 2:45:42 PM, OreEle wrote:
we better be careful, it won't be long before they start putting religious stuff on our money... Or soon our presidents will be sworn in with their hands atop a bi... ah, never mind.

Which reminds me, there were a bunch of people freaking out and saying that Obama supposibly got sworn into office in private with a Qur'an.
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1/18/2010 3:02:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Yeah, I remember that. That was a busy time in politically forums (spring, summer, and fall 2008), all the weird silly things that came out about Obama (and various other political individuals).
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1/18/2010 3:12:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
The sickness that Christianity has become never ceases to amaze me. The only thing that surpasses it is the sickness that Christianity was during Medeival times. Do these engineers envision Jesus himself, his hands outstretched towards the battlefield, compelling the soldiers to continue firing while blood flies everywhere and the non-believers are cut down? How do conservatives reconcile Jesus with military endeavors? Are these people just so far beyond ridiculous now that we don't even stop to point out that Jesus didn't support violence? A code on a sight isn't a big deal, I will admit, but you have to be one warped SOB not to catch the irony of this one.

"It allows the Mujahedeen, the Taliban, al Qaeda and the insurrectionists and jihadists to claim they're being shot by Jesus rifles"

I'm sure the Middle Easterners figured out why we were there a long time before we started getting... Increasingly cavalier. If you ask me, not a single Christian should be allowed to step foot in that country with a US uniform on. The conflict of interests in having Bible-thumping men with guns entering a country of Islam is a recipe for disaster and it shows how little respect we have for thier way of life.
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Volkov
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1/18/2010 3:42:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Someone said earlier that the military should simply contract out to another company, and I have to agree. These things are controllable - however, the US military fails to do a lot of controlling in regards to these sorts of things.

I mean, there isn't anything necessarily wrong with what is going on, but the fact that news of it even got out goes to show how poor the military is with public perception and media, which forms a lot of the backbone for support and motivation.

There are quite a lot of people out there that support the troops, though with this kind of thing getting out, or the Blackwater incidents, etc., some might question that support.
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1/18/2010 3:50:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/18/2010 2:37:34 PM, Frodobaggins wrote:
If the soldiers don't mind I don't mind it.

False premise:

Weinstein, an attorney and former Air Force officer, said many members of his group who currently serve in the military have complained about the markings on the sights.

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
Note that the "so help me god" is de facto optional to avoid a lawsuit due to precisely the bolded part-- a bolded part that also means every soldier swore to "mind."
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Frodobaggins
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1/18/2010 3:59:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/18/2010 2:47:12 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
Well, as if it need be said, this is outrageously stupid.

Talk about image. Jesus, this reeks of the stereotype that the West imposes religious morals.

I know! I'm sure the citizens of the countries our soldiers are in can read that scripture from a mile away!
Frodobaggins
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1/18/2010 4:01:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/18/2010 3:50:09 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Weinstein, an attorney and former Air Force officer, said many members of his group who currently serve in the military have complained about the markings on the sights.

In this light take them all off.
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1/19/2010 4:59:29 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
So a Christian, who follows Christ the pacifist with all his heart founds a gun company that for many years inscribes biblical codes onto guns used in wars of human greed.

Whatever...
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1/19/2010 11:02:41 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
21% of the U.S. military, which is a significant enough proportion to have the scripture references removed.

http://www.prb.org...
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1/19/2010 1:07:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/19/2010 12:27:26 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
I'm sorry when did the troops' feelings on this issue ever become relevant.

Im sorry who are the people going out and fighting the war in the first place.
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1/21/2010 12:12:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/19/2010 12:27:26 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
I'm sorry when did the troops' feelings on this issue ever become relevant.

It became relevant the moment they joined the millitary OR would you go out onto that battlefield!?
Frodobaggins
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1/21/2010 12:14:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/19/2010 12:27:26 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
I'm sorry when did the troops' feelings on this issue ever become relevant.

Since the troops risk their lives and you don't.
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1/21/2010 12:16:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/19/2010 12:27:26 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
I'm sorry when did the troops' feelings on this issue ever become relevant.

It is one thing to demand of others something you would not do yourself, quite another to accord no respect to their superiority over you.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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1/21/2010 1:08:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 12:14:31 PM, Frodobaggins wrote:
At 1/19/2010 12:27:26 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
I'm sorry when did the troops' feelings on this issue ever become relevant.

Since the troops risk their lives and you don't.

I think Rob is saying what the status quo is, that the soldiers opinion are not factored in.
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Frodobaggins
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1/21/2010 1:14:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 1:08:59 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
I think Rob is saying what the status quo is, that the soldiers opinion are not factored in.

He's not just stating a fact, he's supporting the status quo if that is what it is, which I'm pretty sure it isn't.
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1/21/2010 1:21:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 1:14:16 PM, Frodobaggins wrote:
At 1/21/2010 1:08:59 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
I think Rob is saying what the status quo is, that the soldiers opinion are not factored in.

He's not just stating a fact, he's supporting the status quo if that is what it is, which I'm pretty sure it isn't.

Ever heard of humour?
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1/22/2010 3:13:59 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/18/2010 2:34:34 PM, Puck wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com...

What our Lord thinks of miltary action:

John 18:11 (New International Version)

Jesus commanded Peter, "Put your sword away! Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?"
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1/22/2010 3:20:36 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/22/2010 3:13:59 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
What our Lord thinks of miltary action:

John 18:11 (New International Version)

Jesus commanded Peter, "Put your sword away! Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?"


What the Lord really thinks of military action:

Leviticus 7:1-2

When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;

And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:
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1/23/2010 6:32:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I'm sorry when did the troops' feelings on this issue ever become relevant.
Im sorry who are the people going out and fighting the war in the first place.

It became relevant the moment they joined the millitary OR would you go out onto that battlefield!?

Since the troops risk their lives and you don't.

What a bunch of irrelevant hogwash. All three of you put together couldn't come up with a decent rebuttal other than some snyde remarks? If my pride is all you three could find to attack, then maybe that is a sign you don't have right on your side.

Wearing a piece of jewelry, having a tattoo, or speaking your mind is one thing. Freedom of expression is one of our fundamental rights and I wouldn't take it away from anyone. Manufacturing, in bulk, weapons with religious markings for all soldiers regardless of their religious preference is another. Did you even stop and think about the atheist soldiers? I doubt any of you 3 even had them in mind when you made those comments because you are so enthralled with the idea of Christian soldiers striking down evil Islamic extremists.

Of course we should have expected Christianity to seep into this war, even against specific instructions for it to be held back. Christianity, by default, seeks to spread by any means possible to anyone it can, to gain power for itself and to justify it's undemonstratable metaphysical principles (if everyone believes, then no one questions).

It is one thing to demand of others something you would not do yourself, quite another to accord no respect to their superiority over you.

It is not I that lacks respect for our troops, it is yourself. Allowing this company to force Christianity on troops that aren't 100% Christian is nothing short of evil. Allowing these troops to become labeled as Christians, against their will, puts a target on their backs and justifies further attacks on them by the Christian antithesis rebels. Instead of concentrating on personally attacking me maybe you should concentrate on what is best for our troops when you discuss the supplies they are ordered to use.

Amen
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