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6/6/2014 9:29:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Three individuals were deported recently from the Arab state because they were deemed too attractive by Interior Ministry officials. It was feared that they might incite women to act inappropriately or lustfully. [1] Admittedly, if I were in a room with Omar Borkan al Gala I might have some lustful thought (damn, he is fine [2, 3]), but really, I can control my own libido.

It also seems a bit hypocritical in light of the fact that the Kingdom employs rather fashionable men in its own government, [4] but it's an interesting topic nonetheless.

Saudi Arabia follows a very strict interpretation of Islam that many in the West, including myself, believe infringes on people's rights. Do instances like these go too far, or is criticizing these cases simply unacceptable moral imperialism on the part of commentators like me?

1 - http://www.extratv.com...
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6/6/2014 9:34:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/6/2014 9:29:54 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Three individuals were deported recently from the Arab state because they were deemed too attractive by Interior Ministry officials. It was feared that they might incite women to act inappropriately or lustfully. [1] Admittedly, if I were in a room with Omar Borkan al Gala I might have some lustful thought (damn, he is fine [2, 3]), but really, I can control my own libido.

It also seems a bit hypocritical in light of the fact that the Kingdom employs rather fashionable men in its own government, [4] but it's an interesting topic nonetheless.

Saudi Arabia follows a very strict interpretation of Islam that many in the West, including myself, believe infringes on people's rights. Do instances like these go too far, or is criticizing these cases simply unacceptable moral imperialism on the part of commentators like me?

1 - http://www.extratv.com...
2 - http://www.debate.org...
3 - http://www.debate.org...
4 - http://www.askmen.com...

It's interesting that Saudi men would deport another man for being too attractive, because of how implicitly gay that is.

"Sorry bro, you're too hot to be here."

"I'm hot?"

"Um..."

lol

But in all seriousness, there is nothing wrong with holding the Middle East to Western moral standards. Indeed, doing so is absolutely necessary.
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6/6/2014 9:35:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/6/2014 9:34:12 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:29:54 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Three individuals were deported recently from the Arab state because they were deemed too attractive by Interior Ministry officials. It was feared that they might incite women to act inappropriately or lustfully. [1] Admittedly, if I were in a room with Omar Borkan al Gala I might have some lustful thought (damn, he is fine [2, 3]), but really, I can control my own libido.

It also seems a bit hypocritical in light of the fact that the Kingdom employs rather fashionable men in its own government, [4] but it's an interesting topic nonetheless.

Saudi Arabia follows a very strict interpretation of Islam that many in the West, including myself, believe infringes on people's rights. Do instances like these go too far, or is criticizing these cases simply unacceptable moral imperialism on the part of commentators like me?

1 - http://www.extratv.com...
2 - http://www.debate.org...
3 - http://www.debate.org...
4 - http://www.askmen.com...

It's interesting that Saudi men would deport another man for being too attractive, because of how implicitly gay that is.

Lol...I was thinking that, but I didn't want to post it, but it IS funny.

But in all seriousness, there is nothing wrong with holding the Middle East to Western moral standards. Indeed, doing so is absolutely necessary.

Interesting. Why do you say that?
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6/6/2014 9:39:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/6/2014 9:35:56 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:34:12 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:29:54 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Three individuals were deported recently from the Arab state because they were deemed too attractive by Interior Ministry officials. It was feared that they might incite women to act inappropriately or lustfully. [1] Admittedly, if I were in a room with Omar Borkan al Gala I might have some lustful thought (damn, he is fine [2, 3]), but really, I can control my own libido.

It also seems a bit hypocritical in light of the fact that the Kingdom employs rather fashionable men in its own government, [4] but it's an interesting topic nonetheless.

Saudi Arabia follows a very strict interpretation of Islam that many in the West, including myself, believe infringes on people's rights. Do instances like these go too far, or is criticizing these cases simply unacceptable moral imperialism on the part of commentators like me?

1 - http://www.extratv.com...
2 - http://www.debate.org...
3 - http://www.debate.org...
4 - http://www.askmen.com...

It's interesting that Saudi men would deport another man for being too attractive, because of how implicitly gay that is.

Lol...I was thinking that, but I didn't want to post it, but it IS funny.

haha, yeah.

But in all seriousness, there is nothing wrong with holding the Middle East to Western moral standards. Indeed, doing so is absolutely necessary.

Interesting. Why do you say that?

The last time I went on an anti-Middle Eastern rant, it got sketchy. Middle Eastern country's treatment of gays, women, children, the poor, and religious minorities is disgraceful. Western standards preclude that kind of treatment. That is why it's necessary.
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6/6/2014 9:41:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/6/2014 9:39:51 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:35:56 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:34:12 PM, YYW wrote:

But in all seriousness, there is nothing wrong with holding the Middle East to Western moral standards. Indeed, doing so is absolutely necessary.

Interesting. Why do you say that?

The last time I went on an anti-Middle Eastern rant, it got sketchy. Middle Eastern country's treatment of gays, women, children, the poor, and religious minorities is disgraceful. Western standards preclude that kind of treatment. That is why it's necessary.

I have to agree that in the area of human rights, the Arab peninsula hasn't exactly kept pace with the world at large.
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6/6/2014 9:46:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/6/2014 9:41:45 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:39:51 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:35:56 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:34:12 PM, YYW wrote:

But in all seriousness, there is nothing wrong with holding the Middle East to Western moral standards. Indeed, doing so is absolutely necessary.

Interesting. Why do you say that?

The last time I went on an anti-Middle Eastern rant, it got sketchy. Middle Eastern country's treatment of gays, women, children, the poor, and religious minorities is disgraceful. Western standards preclude that kind of treatment. That is why it's necessary.

I have to agree that in the area of human rights, the Arab peninsula hasn't exactly kept pace with the world at large.

To put it mildly, yes.

I know it's not politically correct to say that I judge Arab/Islamic/Middle Eastern countries very, very harshly for how they treat women, gays, children, the poor and all people who are not the version of Islam which enjoys the most popular support, but I do.
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6/6/2014 9:50:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/6/2014 9:46:15 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:41:45 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:39:51 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:35:56 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:34:12 PM, YYW wrote:

But in all seriousness, there is nothing wrong with holding the Middle East to Western moral standards. Indeed, doing so is absolutely necessary.

Interesting. Why do you say that?

The last time I went on an anti-Middle Eastern rant, it got sketchy. Middle Eastern country's treatment of gays, women, children, the poor, and religious minorities is disgraceful. Western standards preclude that kind of treatment. That is why it's necessary.

I have to agree that in the area of human rights, the Arab peninsula hasn't exactly kept pace with the world at large.

To put it mildly, yes.

I know it's not politically correct to say that I judge Arab/Islamic/Middle Eastern countries very, very harshly for how they treat women, gays, children, the poor and all people who are not the version of Islam which enjoys the most popular support, but I do.

I think it is PC to say that women, gays, children, the poor, and all people should be treated with respect a dignity and that any country--Islamic, Christian, Hindu, whatever--that fails to meet that standard should be judged harshly for it.

This means Saudi Arabia, but also places like Uganda and India that have failed spectacularly to ensure equal rights for all their citizens on that basis of outmoded theological and "moral" ideals.
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6/6/2014 9:54:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/6/2014 9:50:26 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:46:15 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:41:45 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:39:51 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:35:56 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:34:12 PM, YYW wrote:

But in all seriousness, there is nothing wrong with holding the Middle East to Western moral standards. Indeed, doing so is absolutely necessary.

Interesting. Why do you say that?

The last time I went on an anti-Middle Eastern rant, it got sketchy. Middle Eastern country's treatment of gays, women, children, the poor, and religious minorities is disgraceful. Western standards preclude that kind of treatment. That is why it's necessary.

I have to agree that in the area of human rights, the Arab peninsula hasn't exactly kept pace with the world at large.

To put it mildly, yes.

I know it's not politically correct to say that I judge Arab/Islamic/Middle Eastern countries very, very harshly for how they treat women, gays, children, the poor and all people who are not the version of Islam which enjoys the most popular support, but I do.

I think it is PC to say that women, gays, children, the poor, and all people should be treated with respect a dignity and that any country--Islamic, Christian, Hindu, whatever--that fails to meet that standard should be judged harshly for it.

This means Saudi Arabia, but also places like Uganda and India that have failed spectacularly to ensure equal rights for all their citizens on that basis of outmoded theological and "moral" ideals.

Sub-Saharan African countries are, more or less, culturally barbaric... especially regarding homosexuality -and it's probably necessary to point that out. In many cases, Africa is worse. India is a unique case, though, and that picture is a bit more complicated.
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6/6/2014 9:57:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/6/2014 9:54:20 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:50:26 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:46:15 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:41:45 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:39:51 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:35:56 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:34:12 PM, YYW wrote:

But in all seriousness, there is nothing wrong with holding the Middle East to Western moral standards. Indeed, doing so is absolutely necessary.

Interesting. Why do you say that?

The last time I went on an anti-Middle Eastern rant, it got sketchy. Middle Eastern country's treatment of gays, women, children, the poor, and religious minorities is disgraceful. Western standards preclude that kind of treatment. That is why it's necessary.

I have to agree that in the area of human rights, the Arab peninsula hasn't exactly kept pace with the world at large.

To put it mildly, yes.

I know it's not politically correct to say that I judge Arab/Islamic/Middle Eastern countries very, very harshly for how they treat women, gays, children, the poor and all people who are not the version of Islam which enjoys the most popular support, but I do.

I think it is PC to say that women, gays, children, the poor, and all people should be treated with respect a dignity and that any country--Islamic, Christian, Hindu, whatever--that fails to meet that standard should be judged harshly for it.

This means Saudi Arabia, but also places like Uganda and India that have failed spectacularly to ensure equal rights for all their citizens on that basis of outmoded theological and "moral" ideals.

Sub-Saharan African countries are, more or less, culturally barbaric... especially regarding homosexuality -and it's probably necessary to point that out. In many cases, Africa is worse. India is a unique case, though, and that picture is a bit more complicated.

I don't think I'd go so far as barbaric--but their stances on homosexuality are certainly medieval. Though, there are countries like South Africa, were gay marriage is legal and protected as a constitutional right, even if there is still a hefty amount of prejudice.

India's Supreme Court ruling upholding the anti-sodomy law as based more on primeval "moral" sentiment than sound jurisprudence. It was disappointing--to state it mildly.
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6/6/2014 9:59:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/6/2014 9:57:21 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:54:20 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:50:26 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:46:15 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:41:45 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:39:51 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:35:56 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:34:12 PM, YYW wrote:

But in all seriousness, there is nothing wrong with holding the Middle East to Western moral standards. Indeed, doing so is absolutely necessary.

Interesting. Why do you say that?

The last time I went on an anti-Middle Eastern rant, it got sketchy. Middle Eastern country's treatment of gays, women, children, the poor, and religious minorities is disgraceful. Western standards preclude that kind of treatment. That is why it's necessary.

I have to agree that in the area of human rights, the Arab peninsula hasn't exactly kept pace with the world at large.

To put it mildly, yes.

I know it's not politically correct to say that I judge Arab/Islamic/Middle Eastern countries very, very harshly for how they treat women, gays, children, the poor and all people who are not the version of Islam which enjoys the most popular support, but I do.

I think it is PC to say that women, gays, children, the poor, and all people should be treated with respect a dignity and that any country--Islamic, Christian, Hindu, whatever--that fails to meet that standard should be judged harshly for it.

This means Saudi Arabia, but also places like Uganda and India that have failed spectacularly to ensure equal rights for all their citizens on that basis of outmoded theological and "moral" ideals.

Sub-Saharan African countries are, more or less, culturally barbaric... especially regarding homosexuality -and it's probably necessary to point that out. In many cases, Africa is worse. India is a unique case, though, and that picture is a bit more complicated.

I don't think I'd go so far as barbaric--but their stances on homosexuality are certainly medieval. Though, there are countries like South Africa, were gay marriage is legal and protected as a constitutional right, even if there is still a hefty amount of prejudice.

South Africa is rather an outlier, against the greater body of Sub-Saharan Africa.

India's Supreme Court ruling upholding the anti-sodomy law as based more on primeval "moral" sentiment than sound jurisprudence. It was disappointing--to state it mildly.

The intersection of sex and the law is very disconcerting in India, of that we can agree.
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6/6/2014 10:03:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/6/2014 9:59:59 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:57:21 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:54:20 PM, YYW wrote:
Sub-Saharan African countries are, more or less, culturally barbaric... especially regarding homosexuality -and it's probably necessary to point that out. In many cases, Africa is worse. India is a unique case, though, and that picture is a bit more complicated.

I don't think I'd go so far as barbaric--but their stances on homosexuality are certainly medieval. Though, there are countries like South Africa, were gay marriage is legal and protected as a constitutional right, even if there is still a hefty amount of prejudice.

South Africa is rather an outlier, against the greater body of Sub-Saharan Africa.

But it is refreshing to see such outliers regardless. It reminds me that there is hope for LGBT rights in Africa yet...even in the near term.

India's Supreme Court ruling upholding the anti-sodomy law as based more on primeval "moral" sentiment than sound jurisprudence. It was disappointing--to state it mildly.

The intersection of sex and the law is very disconcerting in India, of that we can agree.

Definitely.
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6/6/2014 10:07:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/6/2014 10:03:26 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:59:59 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:57:21 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:54:20 PM, YYW wrote:
Sub-Saharan African countries are, more or less, culturally barbaric... especially regarding homosexuality -and it's probably necessary to point that out. In many cases, Africa is worse. India is a unique case, though, and that picture is a bit more complicated.

I don't think I'd go so far as barbaric--but their stances on homosexuality are certainly medieval. Though, there are countries like South Africa, were gay marriage is legal and protected as a constitutional right, even if there is still a hefty amount of prejudice.

South Africa is rather an outlier, against the greater body of Sub-Saharan Africa.

But it is refreshing to see such outliers regardless. It reminds me that there is hope for LGBT rights in Africa yet...even in the near term.

The hope for Sub-Saharan Africa's collective salvation will be for the evangelical Right to stop conflating politics with mission work.

India's Supreme Court ruling upholding the anti-sodomy law as based more on primeval "moral" sentiment than sound jurisprudence. It was disappointing--to state it mildly.

The intersection of sex and the law is very disconcerting in India, of that we can agree.

Definitely.
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6/6/2014 10:13:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/6/2014 10:07:22 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 10:03:26 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:59:59 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:57:21 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:54:20 PM, YYW wrote:
Sub-Saharan African countries are, more or less, culturally barbaric... especially regarding homosexuality -and it's probably necessary to point that out. In many cases, Africa is worse. India is a unique case, though, and that picture is a bit more complicated.

I don't think I'd go so far as barbaric--but their stances on homosexuality are certainly medieval. Though, there are countries like South Africa, were gay marriage is legal and protected as a constitutional right, even if there is still a hefty amount of prejudice.

South Africa is rather an outlier, against the greater body of Sub-Saharan Africa.

But it is refreshing to see such outliers regardless. It reminds me that there is hope for LGBT rights in Africa yet...even in the near term.

The hope for Sub-Saharan Africa's collective salvation will be for the evangelical Right to stop conflating politics with mission work.

That, plus a non-corrupt, semi-competent leader.
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6/6/2014 10:16:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/6/2014 10:13:50 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 10:07:22 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 10:03:26 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:59:59 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:57:21 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:54:20 PM, YYW wrote:
Sub-Saharan African countries are, more or less, culturally barbaric... especially regarding homosexuality -and it's probably necessary to point that out. In many cases, Africa is worse. India is a unique case, though, and that picture is a bit more complicated.

I don't think I'd go so far as barbaric--but their stances on homosexuality are certainly medieval. Though, there are countries like South Africa, were gay marriage is legal and protected as a constitutional right, even if there is still a hefty amount of prejudice.

South Africa is rather an outlier, against the greater body of Sub-Saharan Africa.

But it is refreshing to see such outliers regardless. It reminds me that there is hope for LGBT rights in Africa yet...even in the near term.

The hope for Sub-Saharan Africa's collective salvation will be for the evangelical Right to stop conflating politics with mission work.

That, plus a non-corrupt, semi-competent leader.

Indeed.
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6/6/2014 10:20:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/6/2014 10:16:39 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 10:13:50 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 10:07:22 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 10:03:26 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:59:59 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:57:21 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:54:20 PM, YYW wrote:
Sub-Saharan African countries are, more or less, culturally barbaric... especially regarding homosexuality -and it's probably necessary to point that out. In many cases, Africa is worse. India is a unique case, though, and that picture is a bit more complicated.

I don't think I'd go so far as barbaric--but their stances on homosexuality are certainly medieval. Though, there are countries like South Africa, were gay marriage is legal and protected as a constitutional right, even if there is still a hefty amount of prejudice.

South Africa is rather an outlier, against the greater body of Sub-Saharan Africa.

But it is refreshing to see such outliers regardless. It reminds me that there is hope for LGBT rights in Africa yet...even in the near term.

The hope for Sub-Saharan Africa's collective salvation will be for the evangelical Right to stop conflating politics with mission work.

That, plus a non-corrupt, semi-competent leader.

Indeed.

0:09-0:11...
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6/6/2014 10:22:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/6/2014 10:20:38 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 10:16:39 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 10:13:50 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 10:07:22 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 10:03:26 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:59:59 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:57:21 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:54:20 PM, YYW wrote:
Sub-Saharan African countries are, more or less, culturally barbaric... especially regarding homosexuality -and it's probably necessary to point that out. In many cases, Africa is worse. India is a unique case, though, and that picture is a bit more complicated.

I don't think I'd go so far as barbaric--but their stances on homosexuality are certainly medieval. Though, there are countries like South Africa, were gay marriage is legal and protected as a constitutional right, even if there is still a hefty amount of prejudice.

South Africa is rather an outlier, against the greater body of Sub-Saharan Africa.

But it is refreshing to see such outliers regardless. It reminds me that there is hope for LGBT rights in Africa yet...even in the near term.

The hope for Sub-Saharan Africa's collective salvation will be for the evangelical Right to stop conflating politics with mission work.

That, plus a non-corrupt, semi-competent leader.

Indeed.

0:09-0:11...



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6/6/2014 10:24:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/6/2014 10:22:34 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 10:20:38 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 10:16:39 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 10:13:50 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 10:07:22 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 10:03:26 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:59:59 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:57:21 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/6/2014 9:54:20 PM, YYW wrote:
Sub-Saharan African countries are, more or less, culturally barbaric... especially regarding homosexuality -and it's probably necessary to point that out. In many cases, Africa is worse. India is a unique case, though, and that picture is a bit more complicated.

I don't think I'd go so far as barbaric--but their stances on homosexuality are certainly medieval. Though, there are countries like South Africa, were gay marriage is legal and protected as a constitutional right, even if there is still a hefty amount of prejudice.

South Africa is rather an outlier, against the greater body of Sub-Saharan Africa.

But it is refreshing to see such outliers regardless. It reminds me that there is hope for LGBT rights in Africa yet...even in the near term.

The hope for Sub-Saharan Africa's collective salvation will be for the evangelical Right to stop conflating politics with mission work.

That, plus a non-corrupt, semi-competent leader.

Indeed.

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Just the first thing that popped into my mind :)
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8/16/2014 6:33:08 PM
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I Actaully wish I lived there inshallah some day :( I'm only 14 can't do much now god willing I can get citizenship and live in Riyadh.
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8/17/2014 3:08:29 AM
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At 8/16/2014 6:33:08 PM, Naqshbandi-Mujahid wrote:
I Actaully wish I lived there inshallah some day :( I'm only 14 can't do much now god willing I can get citizenship and live in Riyadh.
You might want to disguise the Sufi part before you do, however.
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8/17/2014 2:40:08 PM
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At 8/16/2014 6:33:08 PM, Naqshbandi-Mujahid wrote:
I Actaully wish I lived there inshallah some day :( I'm only 14 can't do much now god willing I can get citizenship and live in Riyadh.

Yea they will not let you in with your current Sufi/takfiri beliefs. They are known for imprisoning people like you.
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8/17/2014 2:43:41 PM
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At 8/17/2014 2:40:08 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 8/16/2014 6:33:08 PM, Naqshbandi-Mujahid wrote:
I Actaully wish I lived there inshallah some day :( I'm only 14 can't do much now god willing I can get citizenship and live in Riyadh.

Yea they will not let you in with your current Sufi/takfiri beliefs. They are known for imprisoning people like you.

I'm also a Salafi have you herd of Muhammad Narsuddin Al-Albani? It is possible to be a Naqshbandi and a Salafi The Islamic State accepts the Naqshbandi. I've done lots of research it's very possible just no Shias.
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8/17/2014 4:16:32 PM
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At 8/17/2014 2:43:41 PM, Naqshbandi-Mujahid wrote:
At 8/17/2014 2:40:08 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 8/16/2014 6:33:08 PM, Naqshbandi-Mujahid wrote:
I Actaully wish I lived there inshallah some day :( I'm only 14 can't do much now god willing I can get citizenship and live in Riyadh.

Yea they will not let you in with your current Sufi/takfiri beliefs. They are known for imprisoning people like you.

I'm also a Salafi

Cant be Naqshabandi and salafi at the same time. They are mutually exclusive.

have you herd of Muhammad Narsuddin Al-Albani?

Yes I have. I studied for years under his top student.

It is possible to be a Naqshbandi and a Salafi The Islamic State accepts the Naqshbandi.

What islamic state?

I've done lots of research it's very possible just no Shias.

So have I. I repeat, the Saudi Government is known for imprisoning people who share your beliefs.
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