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Volkov
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2/16/2010 3:07:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Is it a crime? No. But, I can certainly see why she should lose her job. Such things coming from an educator is pretty unacceptable.
Reasoning
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2/16/2010 3:09:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
This is just yet another problem that would be solved with the abolition of government schools.
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2/16/2010 3:11:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/16/2010 3:09:33 PM, Reasoning wrote:
This is just yet another problem that would be solved with the abolition of government schools.

No it wouldn't, unless you solution you're advocating is that either the teacher do the things she promised,and/or she gets fired, which is the same result you'd get with a government school.
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2/16/2010 3:12:35 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/16/2010 3:11:14 PM, Volkov wrote:
No it wouldn't, unless you solution you're advocating is that either the teacher do the things she promised,and/or she gets fired, which is the same result you'd get with a government school.

Then no one would have to pay such an individual against their will.
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2/16/2010 3:14:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/16/2010 3:12:35 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 2/16/2010 3:11:14 PM, Volkov wrote:
No it wouldn't, unless you solution you're advocating is that either the teacher do the things she promised,and/or she gets fired, which is the same result you'd get with a government school.

Then no one would have to pay such an individual against their will.

teacher swill still write stuff on their facebook and get fired. And fail to see how destroying public schools stops this cycle.
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2/16/2010 3:15:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
The student was the one who disrespected her by putting a Bible on her desk. How would that student like it if she left a copy of Mein Kampf on his desk?

Clearly his motives were to introduce this heathen to God because clearly she is not as enlightened as the student.
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Volkov
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2/16/2010 3:15:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/16/2010 3:12:35 PM, Reasoning wrote:
Then no one would have to pay such an individual against their will.

If they don't pay, then she'll lose her job anyways, or leave, because she isn't getting any pay. There is zero f*cking difference!
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2/16/2010 3:17:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/16/2010 3:14:23 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
teacher swill still write stuff on their facebook and get fired. And fail to see how destroying public schools stops this cycle.

"She shouldn't get fired because she has free speech!"
"We can't have people like that teaching our children!"

No government schools, no one has grounds to complain.

Just another way freedom would make life better.
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2/16/2010 3:20:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/16/2010 3:17:10 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 2/16/2010 3:14:23 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
teacher swill still write stuff on their facebook and get fired. And fail to see how destroying public schools stops this cycle.

"She shouldn't get fired because she has free speech!"
"We can't have people like that teaching our children!"

No government schools, no one has grounds to complain.

Just another way freedom would make life better.

......She still ends up being fired. A teacher is replaceable. 10-15 students and a bad reputation isn't.
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Volkov
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2/16/2010 3:22:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/16/2010 3:17:10 PM, Reasoning wrote:
"She shouldn't get fired because she has free speech!"
"We can't have people like that teaching our children!"

No government schools, no one has grounds to complain.

Just another way freedom would make life better.

... That's the most idiotic thing I've seen today.

With privately run schools, the final decision would still rest on the administrators. The arguments would still be there. The complaints would still occur. The bickering, the compromise, the talks - all would still exist. The threats of pulling funding, of students, for both sides for whatever reason, would still occur.

What, you think just because people can choose not to pay, no arguments will happen? That's ignorant of reality. The school would bargain to keep their funding. The teacher would argue. The parents would argue. Hell, the students would as well. Anyone with a stake in the action would argue for or against.

Complaints don't just go away because "freedom" is there. If you believe that, then you're clueless on the economics of any decision. The bargaining. The dealings. The issues. LRN2HUMAN.
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2/16/2010 3:23:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/16/2010 3:20:01 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
......She still ends up being fired. A teacher is replaceable. 10-15 students and a bad reputation isn't.

Does she? That depends. Some schools would fire her because of the incident and some wouldn't. The most efficient school policies would end up on top and would be replicated.
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2/16/2010 10:57:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
lol. children evangelists getting their teacher fired.

for serious though, people b1tch about their jobs on facebook with some regularity. people b1tch about their teachers on facebook with just as much, if not more fervor. i don't get the FIRE HER controversy.
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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2/17/2010 8:25:59 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
The state doesn't have customers. It's goal isn't, and shouldn't be, to sell anything (though it seems as though it often is).
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2/17/2010 8:27:29 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/17/2010 8:25:59 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
The state doesn't have customers. It's goal isn't, and shouldn't be, to sell anything (though it seems as though it often is).

Are you kidding me? Everyone has customers. The state has it's taxpayers as customers. If someone on the state is insulting taxpayers then he's insulting customers.

Government is a business like any other.

Any time you have a job, you have a customer.
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2/17/2010 11:31:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/17/2010 8:00:36 AM, youhavejustlostthegame wrote:
So you're saying if I posted on a public bulletin board that my customers suck that I would retain my job?

depends doesn't it- whether the customers see it and complain :P

as for this lady, she wasn't incompetent at her job, nor was she on the job when she made these comments, nor did she direct said comments to the students themselves; it was harmless venting in her free time, and i don't think thats sufficient grounds to lose a job over
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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2/18/2010 6:57:50 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
It's not just customers. They're kids. An incident should like this should show that the teacher is a pretty spiteful psycho, and definitely not someone to teach kids. Fire her.
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2/18/2010 7:12:33 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/17/2010 8:25:59 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
The state doesn't have customers. It's goal isn't, and shouldn't be, to sell anything (though it seems as though it often is).

Volkov thinks of states in the way we think of corporations in a free market.
And apparently, so does Askbob.
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