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Israel has the moral ground

slo1
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7/21/2014 7:28:52 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
http://www.chicagotribune.com...

" Israel accepts an Egyptian-proposed Gaza cease-fire; Hamas keeps firing. Hamas deliberately aims rockets at civilians; Israel painstakingly tries to avoid them, actually telephoning civilians in the area and dropping warning charges, so-called roof knocking.

"Here's the difference between us," explains Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. "We're using missile defense to protect our civilians, and they're using their civilians to protect their missiles."

Rarely does international politics present a moment of such moral clarity. Yet we routinely hear this Israel-Gaza fighting described as a morally equivalent "cycle of violence." This is absurd. What possible interest can Israel have in cross-border fighting? Everyone knows Hamas set off this mini-war. And everyone knows the proudly self-declared raison d'etre of Hamas: the eradication of Israel and its Jews.

Apologists for Hamas attribute the blood lust to the Israeli occupation and blockade. Occupation? Does no one remember anything? It was less than 10 years ago that worldwide television showed the Israeli army pulling die-hard settlers off synagogue roofs in Gaza as Israel uprooted its settlements, expelled its citizens, withdrew its military and turned every inch of Gaza over to the Palestinians. There was not a soldier, not a settler, not a single Israeli left in Gaza.

And there was no blockade. On the contrary. Israel wanted this new Palestinian state to succeed. To help the Gaza economy, Israel gave the Palestinians its 3,000 greenhouses that had produced fruit and flowers for export. It opened border crossings and encouraged commerce.

The whole idea was to establish the model for two states living peacefully and productively side by side. No one seems to remember that, simultaneous with the Gaza withdrawal, Israel dismantled four smaller settlements in the northern West Bank as a clear signal of Israel's desire to leave the West Bank as well and thus achieve an amicable two-state solution.
slo1
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7/21/2014 7:37:42 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Charles Krauthammer the fox news shrill is a blatant lair.

To position the withdraw of Israel from the Gaza strip as an honest attempt to set up a two state solution is a lie.

The entire reason why Israel left Gaza was security related. As you can see from the recent incursion in Gaza, Israeli soldiers die when they are there. They pulled out because it was more effective to control the border than it is to control inside the territory.

In fact if one recalls or cares to research, the world community was against Israel leaving the Gaza Strip because it was a unilateral security move, NOT an attempt at a two state solution.

This is upsetting that a man cares so little for the truth. The rest of his message is lost to me because of his lies.
iconic05
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7/21/2014 5:28:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
If not for Hamas, with it's fundamental goal of destroying israel, taking control of Gaza, I sincerely think we would be MUCH closer to a two state solution than we are.
HPWKA
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7/22/2014 12:14:03 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/21/2014 5:28:40 PM, iconic05 wrote:
If not for Hamas, with it's fundamental goal of destroying israel, taking control of Gaza, I sincerely think we would be MUCH closer to a two state solution than we are.

There was no Hamas for decades, and no two-state solution was ever achieved.

Hamas has been on record since 2006, saying they would accept a two-state solution on the legal 1967 borders, IF such a deal was approved by a Palestinian vote, and not just the Palestinian Authorities negotiations. These stipulations are in line with those proposed by the UN (every country except Israel) and the International Court of Justice.
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slo1
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7/22/2014 10:21:09 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/21/2014 5:28:40 PM, iconic05 wrote:
If not for Hamas, with it's fundamental goal of destroying israel, taking control of Gaza, I sincerely think we would be MUCH closer to a two state solution than we are.

Which makes it even more suspect that Israel negotiates prisoner swaps with Hamas and marginalized all Gazans rather than trying to de-legitmatize Hamas by negotiating with Fatah and showing Palestinians how it benefits them by supporting more moderate leadership.

Is real continues to make blunder after blunder and the reason why is that they want their perceived God given right to areas of the west bank.