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4/24/2010 1:23:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
As per the thread title, some Left Wingers have occupied a bank Headquarters in Ireland today and chained themselves inside. http://www.irishtimes.com...

Upon further investigation, the act was by the group 'Éirígí', a group of socialists who want an All Ireland republic. They're basically Sinn Féin but more underground and more extreme. They sound like someone Insertnamehere would hop in bed with (err...eh...metaphorically that is)

What ticks me off about these guys is that they go ahead pointing fingers and attempt to bring out peoples emotions, but fail to provide any alternative. On top of that, most of their policies (Including the All Ireland republic and of course all the socialist stuff)I disagree with.

Seems we have our form of the Tea Party, only with, well, the exact opposite values.
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4/24/2010 1:26:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Did the bank have no security whatsoever? How did they manage to chain themselves inside the bank?

I agree that the government shouldn't own or bail out the banks. Although probably for entirely different reasons than these people.
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4/24/2010 1:27:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/24/2010 1:26:38 PM, Nags wrote:
Did the bank have no security whatsoever? How did they manage to chain themselves inside the bank?

I agree that the government shouldn't own or bail out the banks. Although probably for entirely different reasons than these people.

I agree with Nag's agreement statement.
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4/24/2010 1:31:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/24/2010 1:26:38 PM, Nags wrote:
Did the bank have no security whatsoever? How did they manage to chain themselves inside the bank?

It was a bank headquarters, so it didn't have the regular security. And a couple of people walking in won't raise many eyebrows.


I agree that the government shouldn't own or bail out the banks. Although probably for entirely different reasons than these people.

Yeah, these guys are socialists. Go figure.
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4/25/2010 12:31:04 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
So not only do they want to impose socialism on people they even seek to deny their national self-determination and identity.
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4/25/2010 3:52:26 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/25/2010 12:31:04 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
So not only do they want to impose socialism on people they even seek to deny their national self-determination and identity.


Who's 'their'?
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4/25/2010 10:27:11 AM
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At 4/25/2010 3:52:26 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/25/2010 12:31:04 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
So not only do they want to impose socialism on people they even seek to deny their national self-determination and identity.


Who's 'their'?

You didn't read the first post... you started this thread.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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4/25/2010 10:49:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/25/2010 10:27:11 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 4/25/2010 3:52:26 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/25/2010 12:31:04 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
So not only do they want to impose socialism on people they even seek to deny their national self-determination and identity.


Who's 'their'?

You didn't read the first post... you started this thread.

How are an organisation set on expanding Irish culture denying "their national self-determination and identity."
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4/25/2010 10:54:38 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/25/2010 10:49:13 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/25/2010 10:27:11 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 4/25/2010 3:52:26 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/25/2010 12:31:04 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
So not only do they want to impose socialism on people they even seek to deny their national self-determination and identity.


Who's 'their'?

You didn't read the first post... you started this thread.

How are an organisation set on expanding Irish culture denying "their national self-determination and identity."

I think desiring to annex a region with a seperate sense of national identity counts.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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4/25/2010 10:56:28 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/25/2010 10:54:38 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 4/25/2010 10:49:13 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/25/2010 10:27:11 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 4/25/2010 3:52:26 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/25/2010 12:31:04 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
So not only do they want to impose socialism on people they even seek to deny their national self-determination and identity.


Who's 'their'?

You didn't read the first post... you started this thread.

How are an organisation set on expanding Irish culture denying "their national self-determination and identity."

I think desiring to annex a region with a seperate sense of national identity counts.

Then 'their' is specifically referring to Northern Ireland.

And I agree, to an extent. I think that counties with Catholic majorities shoudl be allowed to secede from the North and join the republic with a referendum, but I don't agree with invading the North, especially not Protestant-strong areas.
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4/25/2010 10:57:04 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/25/2010 10:56:23 AM, Volkov wrote:
Better they occupy banks than occupy government.

Then they'd get some Irish army on their a**es :D.
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4/25/2010 2:28:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/25/2010 10:56:23 AM, Volkov wrote:
Better they occupy banks than occupy government.

Ha.

Government closures are far more desirable than bank closures.
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4/25/2010 2:31:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/25/2010 2:28:51 PM, Nags wrote:
Ha.

Government closures are far more desirable than bank closures.

Let me rephrase that:

Better they occupy banks than occupy the White House/10 Downing Street/Whitehall/Parliament Hill/Bundestag/Kremlin/Elysee/etc.

Does everybody get it now?
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4/25/2010 2:38:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/25/2010 2:31:57 PM, Volkov wrote:
Let me rephrase that:

Better they occupy banks than occupy the White House/10 Downing Street/Whitehall/Parliament Hill/Bundestag/Kremlin/Elysee/etc.

Does everybody get it now?

Meh. The entertainment value of such an event would be epic. Just imagine an occupation of the White House with Barack Obama in there. I don't really see the negatives if such an event were to occur.
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4/25/2010 2:41:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/25/2010 2:38:30 PM, Nags wrote:
Meh. The entertainment value of such an event would be epic. Just imagine an occupation of the White House with Barack Obama in there. I don't really see the negatives if such an event were to occur.

Apparently we didn't get it.

Let's rephrase better:

Better they occupy banks than form the government and leaders of a nation, otherwise known as "occupying government," in the sense that a certain party and/or ideology occupies the official residence of state leaders.
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4/27/2010 12:05:56 PM
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At 4/24/2010 1:24:58 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I really dislike people who use emotional appeals over logic. It really pisses me off.

lol do you have a logical reason for this or is it a purely emotional response?
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4/27/2010 12:09:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/27/2010 12:05:56 PM, feverish wrote:
At 4/24/2010 1:24:58 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I really dislike people who use emotional appeals over logic. It really pisses me off.

lol do you have a logical reason for this or is it a purely emotional response?

burn
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4/28/2010 12:40:10 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/27/2010 12:05:56 PM, feverish wrote:
At 4/24/2010 1:24:58 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I really dislike people who use emotional appeals over logic. It really pisses me off.

lol do you have a logical reason for this or is it a purely emotional response?

lulz
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4/28/2010 9:55:09 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/24/2010 1:23:22 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
As per the thread title, some Left Wingers have occupied a bank Headquarters in Ireland today and chained themselves inside. http://www.irishtimes.com...

Upon further investigation, the act was by the group 'Éirígí', a group of socialists who want an All Ireland republic. They're basically Sinn Féin but more underground and more extreme. They sound like someone Insertnamehere would hop in bed with (err...eh...metaphorically that is)

What ticks me off about these guys is that they go ahead pointing fingers and attempt to bring out peoples emotions, but fail to provide any alternative. On top of that, most of their policies (Including the All Ireland republic and of course all the socialist stuff)I disagree with.

Seems we have our form of the Tea Party, only with, well, the exact opposite values.

These people are more right wing than left wing - they are nationalists in the same way as the Nazis were - they are trying to whip up support from the working classes just as the Nazis did but their true goal is to create a united island of Ireland with Dublin as its capital, just like Berlin was the capital of Hitler's "Greater Germany".
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4/28/2010 10:26:00 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/28/2010 9:55:09 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At 4/24/2010 1:23:22 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
As per the thread title, some Left Wingers have occupied a bank Headquarters in Ireland today and chained themselves inside. http://www.irishtimes.com...

Upon further investigation, the act was by the group 'Éirígí', a group of socialists who want an All Ireland republic. They're basically Sinn Féin but more underground and more extreme. They sound like someone Insertnamehere would hop in bed with (err...eh...metaphorically that is)

What ticks me off about these guys is that they go ahead pointing fingers and attempt to bring out peoples emotions, but fail to provide any alternative. On top of that, most of their policies (Including the All Ireland republic and of course all the socialist stuff)I disagree with.

Seems we have our form of the Tea Party, only with, well, the exact opposite values.

These people are more right wing than left wing - they are nationalists in the same way as the Nazis were -
Sounds like left wing to me. ^_^

they are trying to whip up support from the working classes just as the Nazis did but their true goal is to create a united island of Ireland with Dublin as its capital, just like Berlin was the capital of Hitler's "Greater Germany".
And Moscow was the capital of the Soviet Union? Irredentism is a separate issue from "left or right," it can exist within movements of both.
It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.
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4/28/2010 10:48:52 AM
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At 4/28/2010 10:26:00 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 4/28/2010 9:55:09 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At 4/24/2010 1:23:22 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
As per the thread title, some Left Wingers have occupied a bank Headquarters in Ireland today and chained themselves inside. http://www.irishtimes.com...

Upon further investigation, the act was by the group 'Éirígí', a group of socialists who want an All Ireland republic. They're basically Sinn Féin but more underground and more extreme. They sound like someone Insertnamehere would hop in bed with (err...eh...metaphorically that is)

What ticks me off about these guys is that they go ahead pointing fingers and attempt to bring out peoples emotions, but fail to provide any alternative. On top of that, most of their policies (Including the All Ireland republic and of course all the socialist stuff)I disagree with.

Seems we have our form of the Tea Party, only with, well, the exact opposite values.

These people are more right wing than left wing - they are nationalists in the same way as the Nazis were -
Sounds like left wing to me. ^_^

they are trying to whip up support from the working classes just as the Nazis did but their true goal is to create a united island of Ireland with Dublin as its capital, just like Berlin was the capital of Hitler's "Greater Germany".
And Moscow was the capital of the Soviet Union? Irredentism is a separate issue from "left or right," it can exist within movements of both.

Well, it can go full circle but extreme nationalism and hatred of foreigners or people from other races is something that is more normally associated with right wingers.

Left wingers, on the other hand, are internationalists who seek defend workers' rights on a global basis:

Internationalism is at the heart of any genuine socialist politics. Capitalism is a world system, and can only be effectively challenged by an international revolutionary movement. The founders of the revolutionary socialist tradition played a leading role in such movements — Marx in the International Working Men's Association, and Lenin and Trotsky in the Communist International.

http://www.swp.org.uk...
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4/28/2010 10:54:15 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Well, it can go full circle but extreme nationalism and hatred of foreigners or people from other races is something that is more normally associated with right wingers.
lawl, just keep telling yourself that.


Left wingers, on the other hand, are internationalists who seek defend workers' rights on a global basis:

Internationalism is at the heart of any genuine socialist politics. Capitalism is a world system
Seems to contradict the whole "right wing is nationalist" when they consider capitalism part of the right wing ^_^
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4/28/2010 11:08:19 AM
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At 4/28/2010 10:54:15 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Well, it can go full circle but extreme nationalism and hatred of foreigners or people from other races is something that is more normally associated with right wingers.
lawl, just keep telling yourself that.


Left wingers, on the other hand, are internationalists who seek defend workers' rights on a global basis:

Internationalism is at the heart of any genuine socialist politics. Capitalism is a world system
Seems to contradict the whole "right wing is nationalist" when they consider capitalism part of the right wing ^_^

It's true that it doesn't follow that capitalists are racists or racists are capitalists - but neither a capitalist nor a racist can be a proper socialist.

That's why I'm not a true socialist - as the director of my own company I am guilty of reaping the rewards of my employees' labour...obviously I ensure their pay and conditions of employment are fair but unless I turn the whole enterprise into a workers' collective I will never be accepted into The Socialist Workers Party!
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