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Rob1Billion
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5/21/2010 1:26:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
So it looks like it really was N Korea who sank that ship. Is it about time we start dropping some bombs around here? N Korea needs to be checked badly...
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Mirza
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5/21/2010 1:30:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I have heard about this.

North Korea is very provocative. It should be careful. I should technically not be a very tough problem beating it militarily, if USA is fighting it, but with its great amount of troops, having the largest artillery force in the world, it can lead a form of blitzkrieg on South Korea, and we could witness horrible things.

Diplomacy is needed, but military action only if necessary.
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5/21/2010 1:30:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 1:26:45 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
So it looks like it really was N Korea who sank that ship. Is it about time we start dropping some bombs around here? N Korea needs to be checked badly...

Who's "we" Kemosabe?
Volkov
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5/21/2010 1:31:06 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
This isn't without precedent, so the probability is that, no, there won't be any bombs dropped. A regional war is something that wants to be avoided at all costs by all parties, North Korea included.

My guess is that either there were rogue DPRK navy ships who decided to exact revenge or a pre-emptive strike or something, or that they sunk the ship in order to show off, brag a little, and come back to the bargaining table with the ROK with something under their belt.

However, it'll probably end up backfiring as patience with the country wanes. We'll probably see stricter negotiating rules and more stick than carrot after this. If the DPRK continues to show off, well, a war might be inevitable. But, hopefully Kim will die before then, and the North Koreans can busy their military with themselves rather than others.
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5/21/2010 1:32:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
pretty F'd up.

we should not let their navy out of port.

And seek greater sanctions from UN
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5/21/2010 1:38:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 1:32:49 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
pretty F'd up.

we should not let their navy out of port.

Enough of this "we" business, let some other country deal with it.

And seek greater sanctions from UN
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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5/21/2010 1:41:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 1:38:09 PM, innomen wrote:
At 5/21/2010 1:32:49 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
pretty F'd up.

we should not let their navy out of port.

Enough of this "we" business, let some other country deal with it.

Yeah.. I'm kinda split on this.

We haven't been accomplishing much...

But Nkorea's Evil.

And seek greater sanctions from UN
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

yep. what else we got?

purdy hopeless
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5/21/2010 1:43:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 1:41:50 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 5/21/2010 1:38:09 PM, innomen wrote:
At 5/21/2010 1:32:49 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
pretty F'd up.

we should not let their navy out of port.

Enough of this "we" business, let some other country deal with it.

Yeah.. I'm kinda split on this.

We haven't been accomplishing much...

But Nkorea's Evil.

And seek greater sanctions from UN
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

yep. what else we got?

purdy hopeless

We do what the rest of the world does, nothing. Actually the rest of the world just waits for us to do something. Enough. It's not our problem.
Mirza
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5/21/2010 1:44:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 1:43:31 PM, innomen wrote:
We do what the rest of the world does, nothing. Actually the rest of the world just waits for us to do something. Enough. It's not our problem.
It is if they get nuclear weapons that can reach the US.

It is also if they get what USA does not want at all, such as their will to take over South Korea, which is possible with their military.
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5/21/2010 1:51:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 1:43:31 PM, innomen wrote:
We do what the rest of the world does, nothing. Actually the rest of the world just waits for us to do something. Enough. It's not our problem.

However, you (meaning the United States) helped create the problem. Maybe you should take responsibility for the problems you create.
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5/21/2010 1:56:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 1:51:16 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 5/21/2010 1:43:31 PM, innomen wrote:
We do what the rest of the world does, nothing. Actually the rest of the world just waits for us to do something. Enough. It's not our problem.

However, you (meaning the United States) helped create the problem. Maybe you should take responsibility for the problems you create.

We (the United States) have been paying for the defense of South Korea for a very long time now. We (the United States) should learn from the foreign adventures you refer to by not engaging in any others. We (the United States) have been paying more for other country's defenses than any other country in the world, and we (the United States) can no longer afford it.
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5/21/2010 2:00:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 1:56:02 PM, innomen wrote:
We (the United States) have been paying for the defense of South Korea for a very long time now. We (the United States) should learn from the foreign adventures you refer to by not engaging in any others. We (the United States) have been paying more for other country's defenses than any other country in the world, and we (the United States) can no longer afford it.

So you (the United States) should leave behind your problems, the world you (the United States) made dependent upon yourselves, and which you (the United States) are so now hopelessly involved in that any abandonment by you (the United States) would probably lead to the eventual collapse of global economies, for the rest of us to clean up. That's setting an example right there.
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5/21/2010 2:00:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 1:58:03 PM, Mirza wrote:
It wants to be reunited with South Korea.

It wants to absorb South Korea - not unite. "Unite" denotes some sort of friendly agreement.
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5/21/2010 2:04:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 2:00:03 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 5/21/2010 1:56:02 PM, innomen wrote:
We (the United States) have been paying for the defense of South Korea for a very long time now. We (the United States) should learn from the foreign adventures you refer to by not engaging in any others. We (the United States) have been paying more for other country's defenses than any other country in the world, and we (the United States) can no longer afford it.

So you (the United States) should leave behind your problems, the world you (the United States) made dependent upon yourselves, and which you (the United States) are so now hopelessly involved in that any abandonment by you (the United States) would probably lead to the eventual collapse of global economies, for the rest of us to clean up. That's setting an example right there.

We (the United States) would like to return to the global community of nations and allow for the self determination of all people. We (the United States) would like to atone for our past misadventures by taking a more peaceful role in the world community. We (the United States) would like to allow the full cooperation of the entire world to peacefully reconcile their differences with the aid and assistance of all the peoples of the earth, while we (the United States) take a more humble role of sitting by and learning how it should be done. We (the United States) have far more serious problems in our own hemisphere that really should concern us.
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5/21/2010 2:06:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 1:58:03 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/21/2010 1:55:00 PM, Koopin wrote:
What does the North hope to accomplish?
It wants to be reunited with South Korea.

Then the USA should give them what they want by Bombing them, then giving the land to South Korea.
kfc
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5/21/2010 2:06:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 2:00:45 PM, Volkov wrote:
It wants to absorb South Korea - not unite. "Unite" denotes some sort of friendly agreement.
It wants lost relatives to be united. By "united" I simply refer to being one with South Korea geographically, and then have the people "united", even though it could be hard.
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5/21/2010 2:07:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 2:06:01 PM, Koopin wrote:
Then the USA should give them what they want by Bombing them, then giving the land to South Korea.
They do not want it that way.
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5/21/2010 2:08:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 2:04:56 PM, innomen wrote:
We (the United States) would like to return to the global community of nations and allow for the self determination of all people. We (the United States) would like to atone for our past misadventures by taking a more peaceful role in the world community. We (the United States) would like to allow the full cooperation of the entire world to peacefully reconcile their differences with the aid and assistance of all the peoples of the earth, while we (the United States) take a more humble role of sitting by and learning how it should be done. We (the United States) have far more serious problems in our own hemisphere that really should concern us.

Yet you (the United States) know by now that your wanted role in the world cannot be attained until you (the United States) fixes some problems that were created by yourselves and now effect the wider community at large. You (the United States) need to take a practical look at the world, find the messes that need to be cleaned, work to solve them with everyone that is now affected by it, and get it over with, until the problems you (the United States) had a hand in comes back to haunt you (the United States) during your somewhat idealistic move in foreign policy.
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5/21/2010 2:09:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 2:07:12 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/21/2010 2:06:01 PM, Koopin wrote:
Then the USA should give them what they want by Bombing them, then giving the land to South Korea.
They do not want it that way.

I have never laughed so hard on this site. That was priceless, I am laughing uncontrollably.
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5/21/2010 2:09:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 2:09:05 PM, innomen wrote:
At 5/21/2010 2:07:12 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/21/2010 2:06:01 PM, Koopin wrote:
Then the USA should give them what they want by Bombing them, then giving the land to South Korea.
They do not want it that way.

I have never laughed so hard on this site. That was priceless, I am laughing uncontrollably.

Agreed. That was brilliant. xD
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5/21/2010 2:10:06 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 2:09:05 PM, innomen wrote:
I have never laughed so hard on this site. That was priceless, I am laughing uncontrollably.
I can imagine. Hah.
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5/21/2010 2:13:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 2:08:44 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 5/21/2010 2:04:56 PM, innomen wrote:

Yet you (the United States) know by now that your wanted role in the world cannot be attained until you (the United States) fixes some problems that were created by yourselves and now effect the wider community at large. You (the United States) need to take a practical look at the world, find the messes that need to be cleaned, work to solve them with everyone that is now affected by it, and get it over with, until the problems you (the United States) had a hand in comes back to haunt you (the United States) during your somewhat idealistic move in foreign policy.

We (the United States) are obviously hopeless at this foreign policy thing, and we (the United States) seem to make matters worse when we try to fix them. So we (the United States) would prefer to watch as others as say you (the Canadians) show us how to lead the world. You (the Canadians) are probably our closest ally in the world, so perhaps you (the Canadians) can teach us by example and take a military leadership roles in such problems in the world, or maybe just one, so that we (the United States) can better learn how to do this whole foreign policy thing.
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5/21/2010 2:15:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 2:13:22 PM, innomen wrote:
At 5/21/2010 2:08:44 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 5/21/2010 2:04:56 PM, innomen wrote:

Yet you (the United States) know by now that your wanted role in the world cannot be attained until you (the United States) fixes some problems that were created by yourselves and now effect the wider community at large. You (the United States) need to take a practical look at the world, find the messes that need to be cleaned, work to solve them with everyone that is now affected by it, and get it over with, until the problems you (the United States) had a hand in comes back to haunt you (the United States) during your somewhat idealistic move in foreign policy.

We (the United States) are obviously hopeless at this foreign policy thing, and we (the United States) seem to make matters worse when we try to fix them. So we (the United States) would prefer to watch as others as say you (the Canadians) show us how to lead the world. You (the Canadians) are probably our closest ally in the world, so perhaps you (the Canadians) can teach us by example and take a military leadership roles in such problems in the world, or maybe just one, so that we (the United States) can better learn how to do this whole foreign policy thing.

lol, but if you read my sig you'd know that wouldn't work!
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5/21/2010 2:16:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 2:15:13 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 5/21/2010 2:13:22 PM, innomen wrote:
At 5/21/2010 2:08:44 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 5/21/2010 2:04:56 PM, innomen wrote:

We (the United States) are obviously hopeless at this foreign policy thing, and we (the United States) seem to make matters worse when we try to fix them. So we (the United States) would prefer to watch as others as say you (the Canadians) show us how to lead the world. You (the Canadians) are probably our closest ally in the world, so perhaps you (the Canadians) can teach us by example and take a military leadership roles in such problems in the world, or maybe just one, so that we (the United States) can better learn how to do this whole foreign policy thing.

lol, but if you read my sig you'd know that wouldn't work!

Tongue was firmly planted in cheek.
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5/21/2010 2:21:39 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 2:13:22 PM, innomen wrote:
We (the United States) are obviously hopeless at this foreign policy thing, and we (the United States) seem to make matters worse when we try to fix them. So we (the United States) would prefer to watch as others as say you (the Canadians) show us how to lead the world. You (the Canadians) are probably our closest ally in the world, so perhaps you (the Canadians) can teach us by example and take a military leadership roles in such problems in the world, or maybe just one, so that we (the United States) can better learn how to do this whole foreign policy thing.

You (the United States) have spearheaded every major foreign policy overture since 1945. We (the Canadians) are certainly happy to show you the ropes of peacekeeping and diplomacy, yet all that we (the Canadians) do is act a little less aggressive than you (the United States). However we (the Canadians) are not the sole superpower of the world, so we (the Canadians) cannot really know how to handle or take on the role that you (the United States) does in the world. They (various world miscreants) and the problems they cause are dependent upon the strong hand that you (the United States) possess, and not our (the Canadians) rather middle-power, gnat-swatting weight in foreign policy.

Maybe all of us (the United States, the Canadians, and etc.) should look at working more through each other. But you (the United States) will always play a large, and possibly the largest, role, either diplomatically, militarily or economically, just by virtue of your (the United States') existence.
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5/21/2010 2:22:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 2:15:13 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
lol, but if you read my sig you'd know that wouldn't work!

We (the Canadians) are not amused.
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5/21/2010 2:31:01 PM
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At 5/21/2010 2:21:39 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 5/21/2010 2:13:22 PM, innomen wrote:
We (the United States) are obviously hopeless at this foreign policy thing, and we (the United States) seem to make matters worse when we try to fix them. So we (the United States) would prefer to watch as others as say you (the Canadians) show us how to lead the world. You (the Canadians) are probably our closest ally in the world, so perhaps you (the Canadians) can teach us by example and take a military leadership roles in such problems in the world, or maybe just one, so that we (the United States) can better learn how to do this whole foreign policy thing.

You (the United States) have spearheaded every major foreign policy overture since 1945. We (the Canadians) are certainly happy to show you the ropes of peacekeeping and diplomacy, yet all that we (the Canadians) do is act a little less aggressive than you (the United States). However we (the Canadians) are not the sole superpower of the world, so we (the Canadians) cannot really know how to handle or take on the role that you (the United States) does in the world. They (various world miscreants) and the problems they cause are dependent upon the strong hand that you (the United States) possess, and not our (the Canadians) rather middle-power, gnat-swatting weight in foreign policy.

Maybe all of us (the United States, the Canadians, and etc.) should look at working more through each other. But you (the United States) will always play a large, and possibly the largest, role, either diplomatically, militarily or economically, just by virtue of your (the United States') existence.

Well, we (the United States) are pleased that you are confident in any role that we may take. However, we (the United States) or at least many therein, would like to change the role we have in the world and would like to take a sabbatical and allow the talents and ideals of you (the Canadians) in particular take all leadership and responsibilities that go with that in making the world a better place. We (the United States) are confident that our good friends to the north can rise to the occasion and bring a new light to the world. We (the United States) have clearly been a problem in any sort of a role that implicates us (the United States) with the growth and independent pursuits of all countries. We (the United States) would truly enjoy seeing our friends from the north take on these responsibilities and exercise all their efforts in making a new and bright future for the world without the difficulties that (we the United States) would bring.
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5/21/2010 2:33:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/21/2010 2:31:01 PM, innomen wrote:
Well, we (the United States) are pleased that you are confident in any role that we may take. However, we (the United States) or at least many therein, would like to change the role we have in the world and would like to take a sabbatical and allow the talents and ideals of you (the Canadians) in particular take all leadership and responsibilities that go with that in making the world a better place. We (the United States) are confident that our good friends to the north can rise to the occasion and bring a new light to the world. We (the United States) have clearly been a problem in any sort of a role that implicates us (the United States) with the growth and independent pursuits of all countries. We (the United States) would truly enjoy seeing our friends from the north take on these responsibilities and exercise all their efforts in making a new and bright future for the world without the difficulties that (we the United States) would bring.

We (the Canadians) might require your (the United States') nuclear weapons. When can we (the Canadians) come by the pick up the keys?