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innomen
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6/10/2010 1:35:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
http://www.myfoxboston.com...

So, if the Firefighters of Boston are sober they get a 1.5% bonus. They do have to submit to testing, but still such a deal.

I wonder if this could be a trend; standard pricing, and then the sober price.
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6/10/2010 1:37:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 1:36:13 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I'd get a bonus.

I wonder if i could negotiate a new salary. There's the standard salary that Innomen currently gets, then there is the salary of 1.5% higher if you want him sober in front of the client.
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6/10/2010 1:40:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 1:37:55 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/10/2010 1:36:13 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I'd get a bonus.

I wonder if i could negotiate a new salary. There's the standard salary that Innomen currently gets, then there is the salary of 1.5% higher if you want him sober in front of the client.

I don't think so. The company you work for will probably fire you if you are wasted while in front of a client. You'll be miserable and the company will feel better with one less drunk ;)
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6/10/2010 1:41:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 1:40:14 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 6/10/2010 1:37:55 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/10/2010 1:36:13 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I'd get a bonus.

I wonder if i could negotiate a new salary. There's the standard salary that Innomen currently gets, then there is the salary of 1.5% higher if you want him sober in front of the client.

I don't think so. The company you work for will probably fire you if you are wasted while in front of a client. You'll be miserable and the company will feel better with one less drunk ;)

And the firefighters?
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6/10/2010 1:43:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 1:41:03 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/10/2010 1:40:14 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 6/10/2010 1:37:55 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/10/2010 1:36:13 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I'd get a bonus.

I wonder if i could negotiate a new salary. There's the standard salary that Innomen currently gets, then there is the salary of 1.5% higher if you want him sober in front of the client.

I don't think so. The company you work for will probably fire you if you are wasted while in front of a client. You'll be miserable and the company will feel better with one less drunk ;)

And the firefighters?

Well, it's critical that firefighters don't show up to a flaming house while drunk. It's hard to fire firefighters because there can be an emergency at any time. So, the people in charge want to make sure that their firefighters have sort of an incentive to remain clean while on duty.

Most firefighters stay clean while on the job, anyway. Most of these men have pride in their work and don't want to be responsible for another person's death simply because of alcohol's influence.
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6/10/2010 1:43:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I'd say firefighters should be sober regardless. It would probably be pretty hard to do their job while intoxicated and firefighters can pretty much be on call at any time.
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6/10/2010 1:43:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
If the firefighters only drink on their own time, this seems like a good policy, but we should never have firefighters drinking on the job.
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6/10/2010 1:44:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 1:43:23 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I'd say firefighters should be sober regardless. It would probably be pretty hard to do their job while intoxicated and firefighters can pretty much be on call at any time.

Look at the post above ;)
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6/10/2010 1:45:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 1:44:04 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 6/10/2010 1:43:23 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I'd say firefighters should be sober regardless. It would probably be pretty hard to do their job while intoxicated and firefighters can pretty much be on call at any time.

Look at the post above ;)

Yea, I didn't see it until after I posted mine. Haha.
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6/10/2010 1:45:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 1:43:33 PM, mongeese wrote:
If the firefighters only drink on their own time, this seems like a good policy, but we should never have firefighters drinking on the job.

If they were only drinking on their own time it wouldn't be in the contract.
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6/10/2010 1:50:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 1:45:26 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/10/2010 1:43:33 PM, mongeese wrote:
If the firefighters only drink on their own time, this seems like a good policy, but we should never have firefighters drinking on the job.

If they were only drinking on their own time it wouldn't be in the contract.

But what if they were drinking and then got called into an emergency?
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6/10/2010 1:59:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 1:50:56 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/10/2010 1:45:26 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/10/2010 1:43:33 PM, mongeese wrote:
If the firefighters only drink on their own time, this seems like a good policy, but we should never have firefighters drinking on the job.

If they were only drinking on their own time it wouldn't be in the contract.

But what if they were drinking and then got called into an emergency?

I'm pretty sure that's a common occurence.
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6/10/2010 2:11:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 2:07:14 PM, Nags wrote:
"The Boston City Council approved..."

I knew whatever succeeded this was going to be appalling.

And set a precedent.
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6/10/2010 2:15:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 2:11:58 PM, Volkov wrote:
Appalling? Try f*cking awesome. I wish my work did this.

Well, which rate would you opt for: the drunk less bonus, or go for the gold? Or, i wonder which Badger would go for.
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6/10/2010 2:48:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 1:59:23 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/10/2010 1:50:56 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/10/2010 1:45:26 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/10/2010 1:43:33 PM, mongeese wrote:
If the firefighters only drink on their own time, this seems like a good policy, but we should never have firefighters drinking on the job.

If they were only drinking on their own time it wouldn't be in the contract.

But what if they were drinking and then got called into an emergency?

I'm pretty sure that's a common occurence.

It should be: If you arrive drunk, you're fired.
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6/10/2010 2:54:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
How much does this 1.5% bonus really amount to? Anyway this is stupid (for city workers). But anyone who knows anything about the fire department - especially in a city like Boston - knows that drinking is a problem for those guys whether on the job or not. It's just part of their culture per se. I know a fireman and he says all they really do while at the station is drink and watch porn; occasionally cook and hang out (like play pool and stuff). I mean think about it -- how often is there really a fire? Most of the things the fire dept. does is get cats out of trees and stuff or deal with electrical things. It seems silly to reward people for a sober lifestyle when it's one they probably already live. I highly doubt that 1.5% is enough of a bonus to change the mind of those who drink heavily.
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6/10/2010 2:55:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 2:48:34 PM, mongoose wrote:
At 6/10/2010 1:59:23 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/10/2010 1:50:56 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/10/2010 1:45:26 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/10/2010 1:43:33 PM, mongeese wrote:
If the firefighters only drink on their own time, this seems like a good policy, but we should never have firefighters drinking on the job.

If they were only drinking on their own time it wouldn't be in the contract.

But what if they were drinking and then got called into an emergency?

I'm pretty sure that's a common occurence.

It should be: If you arrive drunk, you're fired.

Yea, I don't think I could trust an intoxicated firefighter to do his job properly.
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6/10/2010 2:58:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 2:54:30 PM, theLwerd wrote:
How much does this 1.5% bonus really amount to?

The average Boston firefighter gets over 90k, so it works out to a pretty good bonus.
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6/11/2010 10:29:21 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 1:50:56 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/10/2010 1:45:26 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/10/2010 1:43:33 PM, mongeese wrote:
If the firefighters only drink on their own time, this seems like a good policy, but we should never have firefighters drinking on the job.

If they were only drinking on their own time it wouldn't be in the contract.

But what if they were drinking and then got called into an emergency?

They have days off like everyone else.
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6/11/2010 10:44:16 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
It is reasonable to expect certain professionals to turn up to work sober.

Police snipers, brain surgeons and nuclear missile technicians spring to mind, but in my game - travel - it is quite normal for people to go to the pub at lunchtime.

I could give a bonus of 15% for my staff to stay sober all day and the whole exercise wouldn't cost me a penny!
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6/11/2010 11:10:08 AM
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You know, I'll bet somebody's going to try to sue the fire department for discrimination against those who enjoy alcohol.
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6/11/2010 11:18:57 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
After reading the OP's link http://www.myfoxboston.com... I think a lot of people have got the wrong end of the stick here.

This is not about a sobriety test to make sure the firefighters aren't intoxicated at work (which I would approve of). It is a mandatory annual drugs test (presumably a blood test) to make sure they are 'clean', which I regard as a serious invasion of privacy.
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6/11/2010 11:33:38 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/11/2010 11:18:57 AM, feverish wrote:
After reading the OP's link http://www.myfoxboston.com... I think a lot of people have got the wrong end of the stick here.

This is not about a sobriety test to make sure the firefighters aren't intoxicated at work (which I would approve of). It is a mandatory annual drugs test (presumably a blood test) to make sure they are 'clean', which I regard as a serious invasion of privacy.

It's about a long history of being found drunk on the job by many of the BFD. It has been a serious problem. In the collective bargaining by the union, they were given the incentive, or bonus, of 1.5% if they were to submit to a urine test.
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6/11/2010 3:41:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/11/2010 11:33:38 AM, innomen wrote:
At 6/11/2010 11:18:57 AM, feverish wrote:
After reading the OP's link http://www.myfoxboston.com... I think a lot of people have got the wrong end of the stick here.

This is not about a sobriety test to make sure the firefighters aren't intoxicated at work (which I would approve of). It is a mandatory annual drugs test (presumably a blood test) to make sure they are 'clean', which I regard as a serious invasion of privacy.

It's about a long history of being found drunk on the job by many of the BFD. It has been a serious problem. In the collective bargaining by the union, they were given the incentive, or bonus, of 1.5% if they were to submit to a urine test.

But how is an annual urine test to establish if they ever get drunk on the job?

"The contract includes a 1.5 percent bonus for mandatory drug and alcohol testing - compensation that won't kick in until June 30, 2011. New firefighters would receive the 1.5 percent bonus if they undergo an annual physical, ability test and drug test."

It seems to me that this is less about sobriety on the job than it is about filtering weed smokers and the like out of the service.

A breathalyser or sobriety test in the station, now that I would approve of.
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6/12/2010 3:12:06 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
One of the blokes who gets in the pub is a train driver. He gets tested pretty much every time he starts a shift.

They are (rightly) very strict which means he can't go out for a pint the night before an early start.
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6/15/2010 6:15:29 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/11/2010 3:41:59 PM, feverish wrote:
At 6/11/2010 11:33:38 AM, innomen wrote:
At 6/11/2010 11:18:57 AM, feverish wrote:
After reading the OP's link http://www.myfoxboston.com... I think a lot of people have got the wrong end of the stick here.

This is not about a sobriety test to make sure the firefighters aren't intoxicated at work (which I would approve of). It is a mandatory annual drugs test (presumably a blood test) to make sure they are 'clean', which I regard as a serious invasion of privacy.

It's about a long history of being found drunk on the job by many of the BFD. It has been a serious problem. In the collective bargaining by the union, they were given the incentive, or bonus, of 1.5% if they were to submit to a urine test.

But how is an annual urine test to establish if they ever get drunk on the job?

"The contract includes a 1.5 percent bonus for mandatory drug and alcohol testing - compensation that won't kick in until June 30, 2011. New firefighters would receive the 1.5 percent bonus if they undergo an annual physical, ability test and drug test."

It seems to me that this is less about sobriety on the job than it is about filtering weed smokers and the like out of the service.

A breathalyser or sobriety test in the station, now that I would approve of.

Drugs are just as bad as booze in this case. I mean, you can't put out a fire while singing 'Yellow Submarine' at the top of your lungs and failing to put on your flip-flops.
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