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1/1/2009 3:21:48 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Apparently Israel aren't interested in a long war. They're plan is
1. Attack government buildings
2. Send aid to Gaza strip civilians to make them know they're not against them
3. Use heavy diplomacy in the background.

Apparently the Arab League is trying to get a solution, and the U.N. reused Libya's proposal to condemn Israel.

So, thoughts?
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1/1/2009 4:04:51 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
This all won't matter once the Martians come and wipe us all out.
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1/1/2009 4:29:20 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 1/1/2009 4:04:51 PM, crackofdawn_Jr wrote:
This all won't matter once the Martians come and wipe us all out.

There aren't martians stupid! It's proven that Mars cannot sustain humanoid style life. It'll be Mercurians or they'll be from uranus. Or they'll just be a band of hodge podge rapists. but back to the topic at hand.
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1/3/2009 9:45:50 AM
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Yes but they'll base their attack from Mars... duh!
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1/3/2009 1:37:18 PM
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Maybe the Hamas are aliens?
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1/3/2009 1:41:57 PM
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1/3/2009 2:17:31 PM
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1/3/2009 6:48:05 PM
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At 1/3/2009 2:17:31 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
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Oh my! What are these people listening to these days...
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1/6/2009 12:32:19 AM
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I don't know enough about the situation as I'd like to at this point (I've been following the story, but I'd prefer more information from less biased sources) -- At the moment I'd have to say that Israel is completely out of line, and I'm really sick and tired of the U.S. abandoning all UN regulations, restrictions, etc. to rush to Israel's defense regardless of the circumstance. However, perhaps after looking into it more, my opinion can be swayed.
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1/6/2009 1:35:39 AM
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At 1/6/2009 12:32:19 AM, theLwerd wrote:
I don't know enough about the situation as I'd like to at this point (I've been following the story, but I'd prefer more information from less biased sources) -- At the moment I'd have to say that Israel is completely out of line, and I'm really sick and tired of the U.S. abandoning all UN regulations, restrictions, etc. to rush to Israel's defense regardless of the circumstance. However, perhaps after looking into it more, my opinion can be swayed.

No, you've got it about right there.
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1/6/2009 3:42:55 AM
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Sometimes it is difficult to see the injustices that sometimes occur in places so far away, so perhaps I can provide an analogy that is a little closer to home for most members.

Let's take a typical American family. They are Homer and Marge Simpson and they live with their son Bart (10) and their daughters Lisa (8) and little Maggie (18 months) in a little town called Springfield.

Another family, called the Flanders, used to live next door but the lease on the their house was owned by a British landlord who revoked it, thus forcing them to live on the streets. The Flanders' former home was then occupied by the Corleones, a Sicilian American family who had just moved down from New York.

Now, one sunny afternoon, Mr. Corleone and a few of his business associates were sitting round a table in the back yard enjoying a nice cup of tea and some freshly-baked scones with clotted cream and homemade jam. Meanwhile, mischievous as ever, Bart from next door, took aim with his catapult and fired a stone. The stone hit the delicate crystal sugar bowl on the table and knocked it over.

However, what Bart didn't realise was that the Corleones were, in fact, a ruthless and violent Mafia family and that the bowl was actually full of crack cocaine, which blew away in the wind when the bowl got knocked over.

Needless to say, Mr. Corleone was unimpressed and he and his henchmen, grabbed Bart, took him indoors and tortured him in the most unspeakably cruel and gruesome manner until he was dead. Then they went next door to the Simpson's house and burned it down with them in it, which wasn't very nice of them was it boys and girls?

I hope the analogy with the British with withdrawing their mandate over Palestine and giving part of the land to Zionist Jewish settlers in 1947/8 in order create the state of Israel is clear.

Now, in the story, Bart was obviously wrong to fire his catapult into his neighbours' property. Similarly, the Hamas terrorists that fired their improvised rockets into Israeli territory were also wrong. The question is, was the response of the Corleones proportionate to Bart's misdemeanour and is Israel's policy of "collective punishment", whereby innocent Palestinian civilians are murdered to revenge the act of a few extremists justified?
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1/7/2009 7:55:48 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 1/6/2009 4:50:31 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Which side is which?

Well the Simpsons and the Flanders are the Palestinians and the Corleones are the Israelis.
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1/7/2009 10:20:45 AM
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No, Brian, it's definitely not justified.

Who is and isn't a terrorist all depends on what side of the missile you're on. The Hamas believe that they were justified with their actions... and while I may not agree, we cannot sit back and pretend that Israel has always done the right thing or has never overstepped their bounds (acted illegally and used U.S. backing and protection to violate international law and get away with it). I can just as easily make the argument that it's Israel who's doing the terrorizing here, except it's even worse because they've got entire armies representing a nation(s) wiping out innocent civilians in the name of counter-terrorism. Well damn. If that's not backwards logic, I dunno what is.
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1/7/2009 10:28:35 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 1/7/2009 10:20:45 AM, theLwerd wrote:
No, Brian, it's definitely not justified.

Who is and isn't a terrorist all depends on what side of the missile you're on. The Hamas believe that they were justified with their actions... and while I may not agree, we cannot sit back and pretend that Israel has always done the right thing or has never overstepped their bounds (acted illegally and used U.S. backing and protection to violate international law and get away with it). I can just as easily make the argument that it's Israel who's doing the terrorizing here, except it's even worse because they've got entire armies representing a nation(s) wiping out innocent civilians in the name of counter-terrorism. Well damn. If that's not backwards logic, I dunno what is.

That's so refreshing to read. Especially coming from an American as the American media is traditionally overwhelmingly pro-Israel. Thank you for looking beyond the headlines.
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1/7/2009 10:34:28 AM
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Both Palestine and Israel are totalitarians.

As such, I support both their efforts to eliminate the other. :)
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1/7/2009 10:36:37 AM
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That's so refreshing to read. Especially coming from an American as the American media is traditionally overwhelmingly pro-Israel. Thank you for looking beyond the headlines.

I'm unsure as to why America is still so unflinchingly biased towards supporting Israel in almost every questionable endeavor they pursue. I'm thinking it has to do with the fact that so many powerful Jews currently reside in the States, and project what is and isn't right via (of course) the biased media, amongst their communities and one another (uninformed word of mouth), etc. People don't know any other way. It also doesn't hurt that we are now fighting an imaginary War on Terror and have completely depicted followers of Islam as automatic terrorists or dangerous extremists of some kind. It's disgraceful.
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1/7/2009 10:38:23 AM
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At 1/7/2009 10:34:28 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Both Palestine and Israel are totalitarians.

As such, I support both their efforts to eliminate the other. :)

Novel outlook on the situation to say the least - I've been interested in this conflict since i was a kid (yes I know that's very sad) but I've never heard anyone express that opinion!
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1/7/2009 10:41:17 AM
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@ theLwerd - I hope my previous story didn't offend you - I'm sure not all Italian Americans from New York are ruthless gangsters!
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1/7/2009 10:44:17 AM
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Both Palestine and Israel are totalitarians.

As such, I support both their efforts to eliminate the other. :)

Wouldn't a Libertarian be in favor of them governing themselves how they please?
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1/7/2009 11:42:01 AM
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At 1/7/2009 10:44:17 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Both Palestine and Israel are totalitarians.

As such, I support both their efforts to eliminate the other. :)

Wouldn't a Libertarian be in favor of them governing themselves how they please?

Um... no. Libertarianism means LIMITED government (except in those cases where it means no government). The government doing whatever it pleases is the OPPOSITE of libertarianism :).
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1/7/2009 12:23:16 PM
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The key problem here is that "govern THEMSELVES is an ambigous collective, whereas unambigous reality has it that the majority governs the minority without the minority's consent :)
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1/7/2009 12:45:10 PM
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whereby innocent Palestinian civilians are murdered to revenge the act of a few extremists justified?

Considering the so called innocent Palestinians are sheltering terrorists and allowing them to keep stockholds of weapons in local schools and mosques, yes I think its completely justified.
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1/7/2009 12:51:28 PM
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Considering the so called innocent Palestinians are sheltering terrorists and allowing them to keep stockholds of weapons in local schools and mosques, yes I think its completely justified.

Then let them take their case to the UN and receive authority to attack.

Anyway, my issue is more about American interference in Middle Eastern affairs than anything else.
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1/7/2009 12:59:17 PM
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Anyway, my issue is more about American interference in Middle Eastern affairs than anything else.

Hamas doesn't receive there weaponry and supplies and finances through Allah. Why should Israel be left in a 4v1 situation?
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