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North Korea wants nuclear war

Mirza
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7/24/2010 12:18:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
According to many news sources, North Korea threatens Washington D.C. and Seoul with some sort of a "holy war" with definite use of nuclear weapons, as a response to the military exercises between U.S. and South Korean military forces.

It comes after a sinking of a South Korean ship in March this year, where dozens of people died. According to South Korea, it was due to a North Korean torpedo being fired on the ship. However, North Korea rejects this claim. In fact, some people who have been part of the investigation of the ship have said that they found no evidence of a torpedo being fired at the ship.

Do you think that this is a South Korean-U.S. stealth plan to start a war with North Korea? It does seem to be very mysterious because North Korea are usually not afraid of speaking out for whatever they want or do. If more reports of this being some sort of an inside job come out, I think I will say that the U.S. and South Korea are the aggressors here, who deliberately want to start a war against North Korea. It is early to conclude too much right now, though.

This is an article with more information: http://www.cnn.com...
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7/24/2010 12:25:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Everytime the US and South Korea do a practice drill, North Korea threatens nuclear warfare.

Regardless, I'm the other side of the Earth so I don't really care.
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Mirza
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7/24/2010 12:27:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/24/2010 12:25:04 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Everytime the US and South Korea do a practice drill, North Korea threatens nuclear warfare.

Regardless, I'm the other side of the Earth so I don't really care.
You do know that the world economy is highly dependent on the U.S. economy? Also, Iraq and Afghanistan are probably not nearly as costly as a possible full-out war with North Korea. You will be affected in many ways if this turns out to be bad. What happens to USA happens to the world.
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7/24/2010 12:31:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/24/2010 12:27:51 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 7/24/2010 12:25:04 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Everytime the US and South Korea do a practice drill, North Korea threatens nuclear warfare.

Regardless, I'm the other side of the Earth so I don't really care.
You do know that the world economy is highly dependent on the U.S. economy?

Yes. North Korean missiles can on'ly hit parts of Alaska and Hawaii. Big whoop.

Also, Iraq and Afghanistan are probably not nearly as costly as a possible full-out war with North Korea. You will be affected in many ways if this turns out to be bad. What happens to USA happens to the world.

If North Korea retaliates most of the force will be Australian, Japanese and Korean. The US will commit troops, but no to the extent of Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Mirza
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7/24/2010 12:33:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/24/2010 12:31:02 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Yes. North Korean missiles can on'ly hit parts of Alaska and Hawaii. Big whoop.
Yes, it is. And invading North Korea would cost a lot for U$A.

If North Korea retaliates most of the force will be Australian, Japanese and Korean. The US will commit troops, but no to the extent of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Millions of troops from North Korea against a few thousand U.S. troops? This is unlikely. They will need much more power.
RoyLatham
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7/24/2010 1:23:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
The way that North Korea makes a living is to extract payoffs from countries it threatens. It has been firing missiles over Japan with the suggestion that f the Japanese provided "aid" then the missiles would stop. Developing longer range missiles and nuclear weapons is a way to extract payoffs directly from the U.S. The North Koreans can also make money selling missiles and nukes to terrorists. The North Koreans are providing technology to Iran, so Iran can threaten Europe.

North Korea depends entirely upon China for economic survival. If North Korea collapsed, a hoard of refugees would flood China. The Chinese view South Korea and Japan as potential threats, so the North Koreans serve the Chinese purpose of buffering such "threats."

The authoritarian regime of North Korea has no right to exist. It would benefit the people of North Korea if he regime could be taken out. In the long run, that will probably be a chinese decision. china may have to achieve enough maturity to recognize that their interests would be bettr served by a posperous united Korea than a degenerate puppet state.

The US keeps a small force in South Korea for the purpose of triggering nuclear retaliation if the North invades.

My solution is to give Japan nukes and let the Japanese negotiate with China and North Korea. US resolve is much in doubt, but the Japanese would be respected.
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7/24/2010 1:26:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/24/2010 12:33:34 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 7/24/2010 12:31:02 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Yes. North Korean missiles can on'ly hit parts of Alaska and Hawaii. Big whoop.
Yes, it is. And invading North Korea would cost a lot for U$A.

They don't have to get into another Iraq\Afghanistan


If North Korea retaliates most of the force will be Australian, Japanese and Korean. The US will commit troops, but no to the extent of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Millions of troops from North Korea against a few thousand U.S. troops? This is unlikely. They will need much more power.

Eh, plus Japanese, South Korean and Australian troops artard, as well as any other countries that join in. Most of the NK troops are poorly trained, under-equipped, and I'd say many would defect.
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vivalayeo
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7/25/2010 6:14:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
North Korea should not be nuked, even if it launches against the south. There is no point in killing hundred's of thousand's of innocent, already oppressed people. Hell their government couldn't care less what happened.

Honestly, N.Korea amazes me, what do they really expect to achieve by pissing everyone else off? Who decided to put immature idiot's in power and allow them to have nuke's?

We should just devise a way of wiping out the entire high command and nuclear base's and therefore prevent a major war
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7/25/2010 8:40:36 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I'm on Korea watch atm, news report every 2 minutes makes me jump, but North Korea probably won't go past threats.
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Volkov
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7/25/2010 8:46:51 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/24/2010 1:23:17 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
My solution is to give Japan nukes and let the Japanese negotiate with China and North Korea. US resolve is much in doubt, but the Japanese would be respected.

I was with you up until here. I would not trust the current crop of Japanese leaders with the button that makes things go boom - they have a new PM every couple of months.
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7/25/2010 8:50:25 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
N Korea is an example of what happens when conservatives overrun the state. The liberal elements of government have been eliminated and patriotism has become more than just a suggestion as it is in the US...
Master P is the end result of capitalism.
Volkov
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7/25/2010 8:53:15 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 8:50:25 AM, Rob1Billion wrote:
N Korea is an example of what happens when conservatives overrun the state. The liberal elements of government have been eliminated and patriotism has become more than just a suggestion as it is in the US...

Patriotism =/= you're a conservative.

Juche is a form of socialism, just so you know.
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7/25/2010 12:58:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 8:53:15 AM, Volkov wrote:

Juche is a form of socialism, just so you know.

It is, but I would say it's more of an oligarchy.
I-am-a-panda
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7/25/2010 1:05:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
If Kim is handing power over to his son (Kim Jong-Un), then wow. Jong-Un isn't even 30, and Jong-Il isn't even 70. His want to hand power over peacefully suggests he is progressive, in bad health, or both.

However, Jong-Un is supposed to have greater sympathy with the working class so we could see reform in Korea.
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vivalayeo
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7/26/2010 8:02:55 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 8:50:25 AM, Rob1Billion wrote:
N Korea is an example of what happens when conservatives overrun the state. The liberal elements of government have been eliminated and patriotism has become more than just a suggestion as it is in the US...

Last I heard, being communist is far from being conservative :P.
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7/26/2010 11:50:19 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/26/2010 8:02:55 AM, vivalayeo wrote:
At 7/25/2010 8:50:25 AM, Rob1Billion wrote:
N Korea is an example of what happens when conservatives overrun the state. The liberal elements of government have been eliminated and patriotism has become more than just a suggestion as it is in the US...

Last I heard, being communist is far from being conservative :P.

Yeah, i don't even get that, other than conservative bad, liberal good.
Mirza
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7/26/2010 12:19:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/24/2010 1:26:14 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
They don't have to get into another Iraq\Afghanistan
North Korea is not to be undestimated. History should teach that plainly well, especially when it comes to Americans and warfare. They have to deal with someone who actually have some nuclear weapons ready now.

Eh, plus Japanese, South Korean and Australian troops artard, as well as any other countries that join in. Most of the NK troops are poorly trained, under-equipped, and I'd say many would defect.
We do not know for sure whether Australia or any other country would join, besides South Korea and USA. Japan may join if there are many threats to its security. Furthermore, even if they join, they are also nations whose economies are important to the world, and think about all the people that would flee from e.g. North Korea in a war. It would not be cheap for anyone to accept them.
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7/26/2010 12:23:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/26/2010 12:19:48 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 7/24/2010 1:26:14 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
They don't have to get into another Iraq\Afghanistan
North Korea is not to be undestimated. History should teach that plainly well, especially when it comes to Americans and warfare. They have to deal with someone who actually have some nuclear weapons ready now.

Despite NK having nukes, most of their technology is still from the Soviet era. They wouldn't be stupid enough to nuke South Korea in any case, and America would make it a first priority to ensure all nuclear sites are destroyed.


Eh, plus Japanese, South Korean and Australian troops artard, as well as any other countries that join in. Most of the NK troops are poorly trained, under-equipped, and I'd say many would defect.
We do not know for sure whether Australia or any other country would join, besides South Korea and USA. Japan may join if there are many threats to its security. Furthermore, even if they join, they are also nations whose economies are important to the world, and think about all the people that would flee from e.g. North Korea in a war. It would not be cheap for anyone to accept them.

Japan will join in. It's in there interest that South Korea stays in existence. Australia is a bit iffy, but there's strong chance of them joining.

As for refugees, it's true that no country wants to accept them.
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7/26/2010 12:27:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/26/2010 12:23:13 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/26/2010 12:19:48 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 7/24/2010 1:26:14 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
They don't have to get into another Iraq\Afghanistan
North Korea is not to be undestimated. History should teach that plainly well, especially when it comes to Americans and warfare. They have to deal with someone who actually have some nuclear weapons ready now.

Despite NK having nukes, most of their technology is still from the Soviet era. They wouldn't be stupid enough to nuke South Korea in any case, and America would make it a first priority to ensure all nuclear sites are destroyed.


Eh, plus Japanese, South Korean and Australian troops artard, as well as any other countries that join in. Most of the NK troops are poorly trained, under-equipped, and I'd say many would defect.
We do not know for sure whether Australia or any other country would join, besides South Korea and USA. Japan may join if there are many threats to its security. Furthermore, even if they join, they are also nations whose economies are important to the world, and think about all the people that would flee from e.g. North Korea in a war. It would not be cheap for anyone to accept them.

Japan will join in. It's in there interest that South Korea stays in existence. Australia is a bit iffy, but there's strong chance of them joining.

As for refugees, it's true that no country wants to accept them.

Japan?
Mirza
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7/26/2010 12:46:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/26/2010 12:23:13 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Despite NK having nukes, most of their technology is still from the Soviet era. They wouldn't be stupid enough to nuke South Korea in any case, and America would make it a first priority to ensure all nuclear sites are destroyed.
If they were ever about to lose a war, do you think they would avoid bombing South Korea to drag it to the same defeat?

Japan will join in. It's in there interest that South Korea stays in existence. Australia is a bit iffy, but there's strong chance of them joining.
As I said, it depends on the threat.

As for refugees, it's true that no country wants to accept them.
Then bring up economy.
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7/26/2010 12:52:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/26/2010 12:46:24 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 7/26/2010 12:23:13 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Despite NK having nukes, most of their technology is still from the Soviet era. They wouldn't be stupid enough to nuke South Korea in any case, and America would make it a first priority to ensure all nuclear sites are destroyed.
If they were ever about to lose a war, do you think they would avoid bombing South Korea to drag it to the same defeat?

Eh, if America would have taken most of, if not all, the nuclear sites, then yes,


Japan will join in. It's in there interest that South Korea stays in existence. Australia is a bit iffy, but there's strong chance of them joining.
As I said, it depends on the threat.

If the threat is South Korea falling, then that's a huge threat.


As for refugees, it's true that no country wants to accept them.
Then bring up economy.

Eh, not necessarily. It would just means hundreds of thousand, if not millions, of Koreans in refugee camps. There aren't a lot of jobs going about at the moment. Besides, most of them are brainwashed into the Juche ideology, so they pose a political risk in any democracy.
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7/26/2010 1:34:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I love Japan, and i am japanese, so yeah, this worries me slightly. But Japan has a self-defense force, and not a standing army, so unless North Korea directly attacks Japan, there wont be a reason for Japan to go in and fight... But im not that worried. Kim Jong Il may be crazy but hes not retarded. Currently, many countries, including japan send North Korea aid and food and money. Its like a 40 year old who is smooching off his friends, and knows to nag for more, but not far enough so that he will piss them off too much that they will come in and kick him out.