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5/15/2015 3:00:03 PM
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At 5/15/2015 2:51:07 PM, kasmic wrote:
Thoughts?

http://www.npr.org...

I used to be pro death penalty but have recently been convinced otherwise.

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5/15/2015 4:00:19 PM
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At 5/15/2015 2:51:07 PM, kasmic wrote:
Thoughts?

http://www.npr.org...

Approval.
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5/15/2015 4:00:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/15/2015 4:00:19 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 5/15/2015 2:51:07 PM, kasmic wrote:
Thoughts?

http://www.npr.org...

Approval.

Of him getting the death penalty that is.
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5/15/2015 4:03:40 PM
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He's not gonna be executed anyway, and if he is it will be like 20 years from now
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5/15/2015 4:15:28 PM
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At 5/15/2015 4:03:40 PM, thett3 wrote:
He's not gonna be executed anyway, and if he is it will be like 20 years from now

yeah, seems to be the case in most death penalty situations.
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5/15/2015 4:38:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/15/2015 2:51:07 PM, kasmic wrote:
Thoughts?

http://www.npr.org...

I approve. Those willing to kill should be ready to be killed.

I don't understand how those against the death penalty can believe there isn't a possible crime that doesn't warrant the death penalty. If 1 kills a 100, what possible justice can be served other than the DP?

Outside the issue of justice, I'v always felt 16k did a good job of arguing for the DP's deterrence and has a well formulated cost-benefit analysis of it.
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5/15/2015 5:21:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/15/2015 4:38:43 PM, Kozu wrote:
At 5/15/2015 2:51:07 PM, kasmic wrote:
Thoughts?

http://www.npr.org...

I approve. Those willing to kill should be ready to be killed.

I don't understand how those against the death penalty can believe there isn't a possible crime that doesn't warrant the death penalty. If 1 kills a 100, what possible justice can be served other than the DP?

Outside the issue of justice, I'v always felt 16k did a good job of arguing for the DP's deterrence and has a well formulated cost-benefit analysis of it.
http://www.debate.org...

Yeah, I thought about doing a death penalty debate but that one was pretty solid and recent so I decided against doing a debate. I did write an article that briefly outlines why I am against it. Though not thorough enough to argue the deterrence point from 16k's argument.
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5/15/2015 5:23:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Dang it. You beat me to it.
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5/15/2015 5:34:00 PM
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At 5/15/2015 5:23:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Dang it. You beat me to it.

So what do you think?
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5/15/2015 5:54:44 PM
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At 5/15/2015 5:21:10 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 5/15/2015 4:38:43 PM, Kozu wrote:
At 5/15/2015 2:51:07 PM, kasmic wrote:
Thoughts?

http://www.npr.org...

I approve. Those willing to kill should be ready to be killed.

I don't understand how those against the death penalty can believe there isn't a possible crime that doesn't warrant the death penalty. If 1 kills a 100, what possible justice can be served other than the DP?

Outside the issue of justice, I'v always felt 16k did a good job of arguing for the DP's deterrence and has a well formulated cost-benefit analysis of it.
http://www.debate.org...

Yeah, I thought about doing a death penalty debate but that one was pretty solid and recent so I decided against doing a debate. I did write an article that briefly outlines why I am against it. Though not thorough enough to argue the deterrence point from 16k's argument.
Could you provide me with the link to your article? I am interested :)
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5/15/2015 6:00:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Could you provide me with the link to your article? I am interested :)

Like I said it is very brief.

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5/15/2015 6:29:16 PM
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At 5/15/2015 6:02:57 PM, kasmic wrote:
Let me know what you think...

I absolutely agree with 1-3 and I don't think the pro side can give a good argument without falling back on a retributivist reasoning.
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5/15/2015 7:04:06 PM
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At 5/15/2015 6:42:01 PM, Zeroskye wrote:
I would've much rather preferred that he get life in prison.

I agree.
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5/15/2015 7:05:13 PM
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At 5/15/2015 6:29:16 PM, Fkkize wrote:
At 5/15/2015 6:02:57 PM, kasmic wrote:
Let me know what you think...

I absolutely agree with 1-3 and I don't think the pro side can give a good argument without falling back on a retributivist reasoning.

So what did you think of the right to life arguement. I imagine you may take issue with "unalieable rights" though maybe not.
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5/15/2015 7:13:03 PM
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At 5/15/2015 2:51:07 PM, kasmic wrote:
Thoughts?

http://www.npr.org...

Ya, the taxpayers win for a change.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

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If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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5/15/2015 7:14:42 PM
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At 5/15/2015 7:13:03 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 5/15/2015 2:51:07 PM, kasmic wrote:
Thoughts?

http://www.npr.org...

Ya, the taxpayers win for a change.

Oh no, wait. Endless appeals for years and years. we loose either way.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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5/15/2015 7:19:03 PM
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At 5/15/2015 7:05:13 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 5/15/2015 6:29:16 PM, Fkkize wrote:
At 5/15/2015 6:02:57 PM, kasmic wrote:
Let me know what you think...

I absolutely agree with 1-3 and I don't think the pro side can give a good argument without falling back on a retributivist reasoning.

So what did you think of the right to life arguement. I imagine you may take issue with "unalieable rights" though maybe not.
Yes, I do not think unalienable rights exists. However I think it is nonsensical to criticise those who side with you, just because you disagree with their motives.
Punishment is always an infringement of ones "rights", one might say and it is only justifiable if it at least deters potential criminals to an appropriate extend. I am going to read more on punishment soon so perhaps my views will change, although probably not in favor of more severe punishments
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5/15/2015 8:33:35 PM
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At 5/15/2015 5:34:00 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 5/15/2015 5:23:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Dang it. You beat me to it.

So what do you think?

Death.
Personally, I have no connection with the victims. Hearing of their deaths did not make me particularly angry at anyone. However, it is in fact justice that someone who takes the life of a person should have his or her life taken away.
The death penalty has a low deterrence rate as it exists presently, because few people are sentenced to it, those who are sentenced have a fair chance of having their sentence reduced to life, and even those who are sentenced often live for literally decades in prison before being executed. That is, it's a half-hearted system.
However, regardless of deterrence it is just. Failure to execute shows more value towards the murderer than the victim. You may say "execution won't bring the victim back". No, it does not. However, they often have friends and family who want to see the killer meet justice. In fact, even if there are no friends or family it is just, seeing as how it is a posthumous acknowledgement of the severity of the victim's right to life having been taken away. I mean, rights can be taken away in response to rights not being respected, right? The right to live a normal life is interfered with as punishment for a crime, so why not the right to life for a crime which was proportional to the punishment?
One might say "murder shouldn't be met with murder", but nations engage in war and people kill in self-defense, showing that killing is okay in certain circumstances, such as for the purpose of delivering justice.

On the other hand, one might argue that the death penalty is not harsh enough and that as a result life in prison is a better option. If this is the case, then death is an act of mercy which still acknowledges the full severity of the crime and gives proportionate retribution.

So yeah, death penalty it is for Dzokhar Tsarnaev.
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6/2/2015 5:40:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Sweet.

Too bad current legislation prohibits us from stringing him up by his nuts in a public square and letting the surviving victims whack him with baseball bats until he dies.

The only problem with the Death Penalty in America is that it not used enough. Oh, Texas and Florida are pretty close to being as expeditious as we should be, but even they are a bit slow.

Anybody sentenced to Death should be killed within two weeks of sentencing.

The states should be allowed to choose their own methods. Anything voted on should be upheld. Hanging (which if memory serves was Kansas' preferred method until the 1970s); lethal injection; electric chair; live burial; firing squad; burning at the stake in the Town Square, whatever.

Repeat child molesters--after their 3rd offense--should be eligible for Death as well.
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6/3/2015 8:57:37 AM
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I agree he should get the death penalty but come on not that bad. He should just get the poison like how most people who commit murders get.
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6/3/2015 9:01:36 AM
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Never mind I see what you are saying, but no for me it should be more of a choice for the murders. If they either want poison, electric chair, or firing squad. Just another idea to think about. I know it won't ever happen but just another way to handle it.
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6/4/2015 12:53:19 PM
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At 5/15/2015 2:51:07 PM, kasmic wrote:
Thoughts?

http://www.npr.org...

The death penalty has many practical problems which can justify it being abolished. That said, this is rather the "classic case" of where justice is served through the death penalty. I don't believe there's any real question of his guilt, nor of the awfulness of his crime. From a justice perspective, I can't see how any other punishment would be appropriate. That said, of course, if he was in a jurisdiction where, because of the practical problems of implementation, the death penalty was abolished, it would of course mean that it wasn't proper. But this really is a classic case.

It of course always depends on what you mean by "justice". I find the notion that the death penalty is "offensive" to be just as offensive in return. That said, again, the fact that the system is imperfect is entirely a legitimate issue in my opinion.
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6/4/2015 1:01:35 PM
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At 5/15/2015 3:00:03 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 5/15/2015 2:51:07 PM, kasmic wrote:
Thoughts?

http://www.npr.org...

I used to be pro death penalty but have recently been convinced otherwise.

http://www.sensiblesoapbox.com...

Incidentally, what's up with that "sensiblesoapbox" site? I've never heard of it before; it seems interesting but rather small...are you involved in it and/or know someone who is, or did you just discover it or...?
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6/4/2015 1:07:38 PM
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At 6/4/2015 1:01:35 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 5/15/2015 3:00:03 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 5/15/2015 2:51:07 PM, kasmic wrote:
Thoughts?

http://www.npr.org...

I used to be pro death penalty but have recently been convinced otherwise.

http://www.sensiblesoapbox.com...

Incidentally, what's up with that "sensiblesoapbox" site? I've never heard of it before; it seems interesting but rather small...are you involved in it and/or know someone who is, or did you just discover it or...?

I created it and run it. Its been up for around 3 months, I am doing a huge overhaul on it soon, currently its just a few writers blogging but it is pretty neat.
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6/4/2015 1:12:10 PM
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At 6/4/2015 1:07:38 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/4/2015 1:01:35 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 5/15/2015 3:00:03 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 5/15/2015 2:51:07 PM, kasmic wrote:
Thoughts?

http://www.npr.org...

I used to be pro death penalty but have recently been convinced otherwise.

http://www.sensiblesoapbox.com...

Incidentally, what's up with that "sensiblesoapbox" site? I've never heard of it before; it seems interesting but rather small...are you involved in it and/or know someone who is, or did you just discover it or...?

I created it and run it. Its been up for around 3 months, I am doing a huge overhaul on it soon, currently its just a few writers blogging but it is pretty neat.

Very neat! Are you liking squarespace? I haven't used them but they sponsor like all of the podcasts I listen to.
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