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Vox_Veritas
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6/11/2015 1:04:52 PM
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According to a new law signed by Texas Governor Greg Abbot, churches are exempt from lawsuits against them for refusing to perform gay weddings.
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http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com...
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6/14/2015 6:10:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/11/2015 1:04:52 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
According to a new law signed by Texas Governor Greg Abbot, churches are exempt from lawsuits against them for refusing to perform gay weddings.
Link:
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com...
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Waste of time. Mere publicity stunt. Already covered by 1st Amendment.
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6/15/2015 6:57:35 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/11/2015 1:04:52 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
According to a new law signed by Texas Governor Greg Abbot, churches are exempt from lawsuits against them for refusing to perform gay weddings.
Link:
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com...
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This has never been an issue in the first place that I'm aware... concerns about it are simply raised by the right wing media to bolster their non-existent case against SS marriage. The debate for SS marriage has always been about legal marriage. It is only about religious marriage in instances where the law tries to prevent people's religious freedom by denying people the right to voluntarily host SS religious marriages.
Please avoid quoting all of large posts - it needlessly means we have to scroll through them to navigate a thread.
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6/15/2015 12:45:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
So far as I know no one was successfully sued after the Loving Decision who refused to marry interracial couples. This is a 1st Amendment issue, the "Church Rights Law" is probably redundant.
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6/15/2015 1:27:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/11/2015 1:04:52 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
According to a new law signed by Texas Governor Greg Abbot, churches are exempt from lawsuits against them for refusing to perform gay weddings.
Link:
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com...
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he should try actually GOVERNING instead of just flourishing for the press.

is he a peacock or a governor?
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6/15/2015 7:34:58 PM
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I mean, I don't think churches should be forced to perform gay marriages. But I DEFINITELY think that the state should be required to perform those marriages. Hopefully the Supreme Court will agree, and empower LGBTQ couples to use writs of mandamus to get idiotic states to comply.
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6/15/2015 8:22:59 PM
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At 6/15/2015 7:34:58 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I mean, I don't think churches should be forced to perform gay marriages. But I DEFINITELY think that the state should be required to perform those marriages. Hopefully the Supreme Court will agree, and empower LGBTQ couples to use writs of mandamus to get idiotic states to comply.

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6/15/2015 8:44:07 PM
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At 6/15/2015 7:34:58 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I mean, I don't think churches should be forced to perform gay marriages. But I DEFINITELY think that the state should be required to perform those marriages. Hopefully the Supreme Court will agree, and empower LGBTQ couples to use writs of mandamus to get idiotic states to comply.

I think a lot of churches are concerned because in some other countries, churches are required to perform gay weddings now. Granted, from what I can tell those are all state-run churches, but I understand the concern.
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6/15/2015 9:52:28 PM
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Much better than NC's law which allows civil magistrates to choose not to marry anyone they wish because it violates their religious beliefs.

It is obviously intended to keep gov employees from having to marry same sex partners, but it is just a matter of time before one decides to not marry a Jewish couple. That law only has the potential to make them look like the back woods state that they are.

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6/19/2015 4:54:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Good.

Churches have every right to refuse to administer gay weddings, and especially not be sued for it.
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6/19/2015 7:42:44 AM
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At 6/19/2015 4:54:13 AM, Philocat wrote:
Good.

Churches have every right to refuse to administer gay weddings, and especially not be sued for it.

True however they should be striped away from being able to issue a state marriage license and should stick to religious marriage ceremonies only,
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6/19/2015 8:36:29 AM
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At 6/19/2015 7:42:44 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 6/19/2015 4:54:13 AM, Philocat wrote:
Good.

Churches have every right to refuse to administer gay weddings, and especially not be sued for it.

True however they should be striped away from being able to issue a state marriage license and should stick to religious marriage ceremonies only,

Although that's a lot of hassle for religious couples who wish to have one wedding that serves as both a sacramental and civil marriage. Otherwise they would effectively have to have two marriages.
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6/19/2015 9:04:10 AM
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At 6/19/2015 8:36:29 AM, Philocat wrote:
At 6/19/2015 7:42:44 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 6/19/2015 4:54:13 AM, Philocat wrote:
Good.

Churches have every right to refuse to administer gay weddings, and especially not be sued for it.

True however they should be striped away from being able to issue a state marriage license and should stick to religious marriage ceremonies only,

Although that's a lot of hassle for religious couples who wish to have one wedding that serves as both a sacramental and civil marriage. Otherwise they would effectively have to have two marriages.

Well, I don't necessarily believe that religious institutions should lose that power as it saves states a bunch of money.

There is an argument for it though and religious people should be more concerned about God's law and making sure their marriage conforms to that law versus the benefits of a civil marriage anyway. By confusing the two and mixing religious versus state marriage most people belonging to a religious institution by pass its divorce law and subject themselves to the states rules when it comes to dissolving a marriage.

It seems to me that there would be great benefit to religious institutions to have its members consult the church when it comes to divorce and abiding by the institutions rules via mediation rather than turning to the state's court system.

This is common in the Muslim community in the US, but for some reason in the Christian community they have deferred divorce to the state's courts and in turn often are breaking God's law and diminishing the sanctity of marriage itself.