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VW violates clean air Act on 2009+ TDIs

Geogeer
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9/21/2015 6:11:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Basically VW had the onboard computer act differently during tests than during real world driving. This resulted in better power and fuel efficiency in real world conditions, but also resulted in larger than allowable NOx emissions.

http://forums.tdiclub.com...

Hitler's reaction:

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TBR
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9/22/2015 3:45:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Yea, it looks like a thing. A real "fudge the programming" thing. Sucks for everyone. Guys that were getting 50mpg are going to get a "fix" that robs power, and reduced efficiency. Not a good day for Audi.
Greyparrot
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9/22/2015 10:07:33 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Th recall is voluntary, so you are going to see a small fraction of people pulling up to buy more expensive fuel for the rest of the life of the car. Heck, they may also hang onto the fudged VW as a collectors item.

Most people believe the EPA is too strict, so they won't pay to do the recall.
The extinction of the species is worse than the extinction of the nation, which is worse than the extinction of the tribe, which is worse than the extinction of the family, which is worse than the extinction of the individual. The second he reverses that list of priorities, he becomes a coward, and would be summarily disposed of by any civilized society that values its own survival. -Skepsikyma
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9/22/2015 10:24:16 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
It will be interesting to see how many EPA supporters are willing to put their money where their mouth is.
The extinction of the species is worse than the extinction of the nation, which is worse than the extinction of the tribe, which is worse than the extinction of the family, which is worse than the extinction of the individual. The second he reverses that list of priorities, he becomes a coward, and would be summarily disposed of by any civilized society that values its own survival. -Skepsikyma
TBR
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9/22/2015 7:46:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/22/2015 10:07:33 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
Th recall is voluntary, so you are going to see a small fraction of people pulling up to buy more expensive fuel for the rest of the life of the car. Heck, they may also hang onto the fudged VW as a collectors item.

Most people believe the EPA is too strict, so they won't pay to do the recall.

In states like California I would presume it will be mandatory. Really bad call by VW.
Greyparrot
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9/22/2015 11:21:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/22/2015 7:46:05 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/22/2015 10:07:33 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
Th recall is voluntary, so you are going to see a small fraction of people pulling up to buy more expensive fuel for the rest of the life of the car. Heck, they may also hang onto the fudged VW as a collectors item.

Most people believe the EPA is too strict, so they won't pay to do the recall.

In states like California I would presume it will be mandatory. Really bad call by VW.

I agree. Losing public trust kills businesses in a free market.

I wonder if this could spur consumers to demand emission ratings of cars posted next to the MPG ratings so that car makers would compete for the cleaner car?
The extinction of the species is worse than the extinction of the nation, which is worse than the extinction of the tribe, which is worse than the extinction of the family, which is worse than the extinction of the individual. The second he reverses that list of priorities, he becomes a coward, and would be summarily disposed of by any civilized society that values its own survival. -Skepsikyma
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9/22/2015 11:24:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/22/2015 11:21:34 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 9/22/2015 7:46:05 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/22/2015 10:07:33 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
Th recall is voluntary, so you are going to see a small fraction of people pulling up to buy more expensive fuel for the rest of the life of the car. Heck, they may also hang onto the fudged VW as a collectors item.

Most people believe the EPA is too strict, so they won't pay to do the recall.

In states like California I would presume it will be mandatory. Really bad call by VW.

I agree. Losing public trust kills businesses in a free market.

I wonder if this could spur consumers to demand emission ratings of cars posted next to the MPG ratings so that car makers would compete for the cleaner car?

Not a bad idea... Thing is on these TDIs, that is what they have going for them. If you are getting robbed of the MPG when "tuned" properly, there is little left to love.
KnowledgeGuy
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9/26/2015 9:58:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Its going to take some serious grovelling to customers who are green as they have have been ripped off by VW.
It'll be interesting to see how VW worm their way out of this.
sadolite
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9/29/2015 2:29:55 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Who cares except the lawyers.
Beware of the people who are in your circle but are not in your corner.

And with the stroke of a pen people 18 to 21 who own a gun became criminals and public enemy #1 having committed no crime and having said nothing. Just like the Jews in Germany during WW2. Must be a weird feeling.

When I hear people crying and whining about their first world problems I think about the universe with everything in it and people in wheelchairs and all of their problems go away.