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11/13/2015 10:19:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Read: http://www.bbc.com...

Any thoughts or reactions? Could Russia be barred from participating in the Olympics?
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11/13/2015 10:35:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
This came at a very bad time.
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11/13/2015 10:35:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/13/2015 10:35:24 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
This came at a very bad time.

For Russia?
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11/13/2015 10:40:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/13/2015 10:35:57 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:35:24 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
This came at a very bad time.

For Russia?

In light of current NATO-Russia relations this could be very easily interpreted by the Russian people as another politically-motivated attack on Russia. The Russian Government in turn may retaliate in some manner for this.
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11/13/2015 10:41:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/13/2015 10:40:02 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:35:57 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:35:24 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
This came at a very bad time.

For Russia?

In light of current NATO-Russia relations this could be very easily interpreted by the Russian people as another politically-motivated attack on Russia. The Russian Government in turn may retaliate in some manner for this.

Fine. I don't mind Russia further isolating itself from the sane world.
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11/13/2015 10:56:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/13/2015 10:41:44 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:40:02 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:35:57 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:35:24 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
This came at a very bad time.

For Russia?

In light of current NATO-Russia relations this could be very easily interpreted by the Russian people as another politically-motivated attack on Russia. The Russian Government in turn may retaliate in some manner for this.

Fine. I don't mind Russia further isolating itself from the sane world.

I think that's a little harsh and unnecessary, if you actually visit Russia you'd realize that there's not that much that's *not* 'sane' about it. It's actually made considerable progress.

In my opinion this come has at a very convenient (almost slightly suspect) time for the West to start punishing Russia. The fact is that doping is widespread in practically all sports and invariably every country has athletes that do it. The singling out of Russia is wholly politically motivated.
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11/13/2015 10:59:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/13/2015 10:56:35 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:41:44 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:40:02 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:35:57 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:35:24 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
This came at a very bad time.

For Russia?

In light of current NATO-Russia relations this could be very easily interpreted by the Russian people as another politically-motivated attack on Russia. The Russian Government in turn may retaliate in some manner for this.

Fine. I don't mind Russia further isolating itself from the sane world.

I think that's a little harsh and unnecessary, if you actually visit Russia you'd realize that there's not that much that's *not* 'sane' about it. It's actually made considerable progress.

My sanity comment specifically relates to how Putin has recently be conducting his international affairs.

In my opinion this come has at a very convenient (almost slightly suspect) time for the West to start punishing Russia. The fact is that doping is widespread in practically all sports and invariably every country has athletes that do it. The singling out of Russia is wholly politically motivated.

I don't agree. Sure, doping happens everywhere, but not to the extent that it does in Russia, and not with that level of state backing.
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11/13/2015 11:13:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/13/2015 10:59:17 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:56:35 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:41:44 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:40:02 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:35:57 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:35:24 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
This came at a very bad time.

For Russia?

In light of current NATO-Russia relations this could be very easily interpreted by the Russian people as another politically-motivated attack on Russia. The Russian Government in turn may retaliate in some manner for this.

Fine. I don't mind Russia further isolating itself from the sane world.

I think that's a little harsh and unnecessary, if you actually visit Russia you'd realize that there's not that much that's *not* 'sane' about it. It's actually made considerable progress.

My sanity comment specifically relates to how Putin has recently be conducting his international affairs.

I see, however it's still a slightly misguided opinion. 'Insane' (which is obviously the opposite term to 'sane') is not the term that would come to mind when thinking of how Putin conducts his international affairs, provocative maybe but that's entirely different. Pretty much the only thing that Putin does 'not' do is what the West wants him to do, but that bares no relation to sanity; and there's also the fact that his actions are heavily misrepresented by Western governments (I.E the U.S, U.K, etc.) and indeed Western media.

In my opinion this come has at a very convenient (almost slightly suspect) time for the West to start punishing Russia. The fact is that doping is widespread in practically all sports and invariably every country has athletes that do it. The singling out of Russia is wholly politically motivated.

I don't agree. Sure, doping happens everywhere, but not to the extent that it does in Russia, and not with that level of state backing.

Again though, my main point is that this has surfaced at the perfect time for the West to penalize Russia *exclusively* on the basis of political differences. I'm not disputing that Russia didn't do a lot of doping, but pointing out the hypocrisy and 'politics' behind this suspension.
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11/13/2015 11:17:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/13/2015 11:13:06 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:59:17 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:56:35 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:41:44 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:40:02 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:35:57 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/13/2015 10:35:24 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
This came at a very bad time.

For Russia?

In light of current NATO-Russia relations this could be very easily interpreted by the Russian people as another politically-motivated attack on Russia. The Russian Government in turn may retaliate in some manner for this.

Fine. I don't mind Russia further isolating itself from the sane world.

I think that's a little harsh and unnecessary, if you actually visit Russia you'd realize that there's not that much that's *not* 'sane' about it. It's actually made considerable progress.

My sanity comment specifically relates to how Putin has recently be conducting his international affairs.

I see, however it's still a slightly misguided opinion. 'Insane' (which is obviously the opposite term to 'sane') is not the term that would come to mind when thinking of how Putin conducts his international affairs, provocative maybe but that's entirely different.

You're pointless nitpicking and worrying about technical semantics while missing the broad picture of my remark. Do I think his foreign policy is actually insane? No. Do I think it is poorly conducted? Yes. Implying it to be insane was a rhetorical technique used to draw attention to the depth of my dislike for his policies.

In my opinion this come has at a very convenient (almost slightly suspect) time for the West to start punishing Russia. The fact is that doping is widespread in practically all sports and invariably every country has athletes that do it. The singling out of Russia is wholly politically motivated.

I don't agree. Sure, doping happens everywhere, but not to the extent that it does in Russia, and not with that level of state backing.

Again though, my main point is that this has surfaced at the perfect time for the West to penalize Russia *exclusively* on the basis of political differences. I'm not disputing that Russia didn't do a lot of doping, but pointing out the hypocrisy and 'politics' behind this suspension.

I don't think there is hypocrisy behind this decision. And, there is always politics in decisions like this, but a 22-1 vote is not "exclusively" political.
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11/14/2015 5:57:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/13/2015 10:19:45 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Read: http://www.bbc.com...

Any thoughts or reactions? Could Russia be barred from participating in the Olympics?

I don't claim to know the extent of the Russian athletics federations involvement and knowledge of doping but the fact that it is alleged coaches as well as athletes were involved In the doping suggests a likely culture of turning a blind eye to doping at best or a corrupt federation involved in the doping at worst. Russian athletes perform well in international competition but not at a spectacular level when compared to the size of the countries population. Russia though is an easy target die to its political differences with the west and controversy over Syria and Ukraine. Jamaica has considerable problems with doping and its small population achieving huge success in athletics looks a lot more suspicious to me. However as it is home to athletics biggest star usain bolt a national ban is out of the question. However despite this I admire Seb Coe and the iaaf for sending out a strong message against doping. Hopefully this will be the catalyst Russia needs to eradicate corruption and doping from its athletes and officials. I predict that they will adhere to the Iafs demands and will be reinstated in time for the Olympics.