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3/11/2016 3:12:23 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
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The identities of 22,000 ISIL supporters in over 50 countries have been leaked to Western governments by a defector from the terror group who stole a memory stick and passed it on to a British journalist. The defector calls himself Abu Hamed and the memory stick contains documents from the ISIL that record the names of ISIL supporters and their relatives.
The list, if authentic, could prove enormously helpful to anti-terror efforts against ISIL.
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3/11/2016 7:18:09 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/11/2016 3:12:23 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com...
The identities of 22,000 ISIL supporters in over 50 countries have been leaked to Western governments by a defector from the terror group who stole a memory stick and passed it on to a British journalist. The defector calls himself Abu Hamed and the memory stick contains documents from the ISIL that record the names of ISIL supporters and their relatives.
The list, if authentic, could prove enormously helpful to anti-terror efforts against ISIL.

I heard about this and it's incredible. Do you believe the data provided will be legitimate?
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3/11/2016 7:21:00 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/11/2016 7:18:09 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/11/2016 3:12:23 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com...
The identities of 22,000 ISIL supporters in over 50 countries have been leaked to Western governments by a defector from the terror group who stole a memory stick and passed it on to a British journalist. The defector calls himself Abu Hamed and the memory stick contains documents from the ISIL that record the names of ISIL supporters and their relatives.
The list, if authentic, could prove enormously helpful to anti-terror efforts against ISIL.

I heard about this and it's incredible. Do you believe the data provided will be legitimate?

Yeah, I think it is.
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3/11/2016 7:23:36 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/11/2016 7:21:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/11/2016 7:18:09 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/11/2016 3:12:23 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com...
The identities of 22,000 ISIL supporters in over 50 countries have been leaked to Western governments by a defector from the terror group who stole a memory stick and passed it on to a British journalist. The defector calls himself Abu Hamed and the memory stick contains documents from the ISIL that record the names of ISIL supporters and their relatives.
The list, if authentic, could prove enormously helpful to anti-terror efforts against ISIL.

I heard about this and it's incredible. Do you believe the data provided will be legitimate?

Yeah, I think it is.

The report I heard leaned in that direction, as well. This has the potential to be an incredible blow against ISIL and its informants/associates/recruiters.
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3/11/2016 7:24:28 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/11/2016 3:12:23 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com...
The identities of 22,000 ISIL supporters in over 50 countries have been leaked to Western governments by a defector from the terror group who stole a memory stick and passed it on to a British journalist. The defector calls himself Abu Hamed and the memory stick contains documents from the ISIL that record the names of ISIL supporters and their relatives.
The list, if authentic, could prove enormously helpful to anti-terror efforts against ISIL.

Let the midnight raids begin.
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3/11/2016 8:37:45 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
They should have kept this under wraps until the information was verified, such as the 22,000 supposed supporters. Now they enemy knows that we are in possession of this material and can take counter-measures.

Dumb move.

There are times when transparency is good, and even necessary. However, there are also times when stuff should truly be kept under wraps until a more appropriate time comes. This is one of those latter situations. In the grand game of war, this was a poor maneuver.
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3/11/2016 9:22:25 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/11/2016 8:37:45 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
They should have kept this under wraps until the information was verified, such as the 22,000 supposed supporters. Now they enemy knows that we are in possession of this material and can take counter-measures.

Dumb move.

There are times when transparency is good, and even necessary. However, there are also times when stuff should truly be kept under wraps until a more appropriate time comes. This is one of those latter situations. In the grand game of war, this was a poor maneuver.

In all fairness, if the information was given to a journalist instead of a government organization then I don't see how they could've kept it a secret.
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3/12/2016 3:30:59 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/11/2016 9:22:25 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/11/2016 8:37:45 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
They should have kept this under wraps until the information was verified, such as the 22,000 supposed supporters. Now they enemy knows that we are in possession of this material and can take counter-measures.

Dumb move.

There are times when transparency is good, and even necessary. However, there are also times when stuff should truly be kept under wraps until a more appropriate time comes. This is one of those latter situations. In the grand game of war, this was a poor maneuver.

In all fairness, if the information was given to a journalist instead of a government organization then I don't see how they could've kept it a secret.

Lol, what? It's incredibly easy...

As a journalist, you simply hand it over to MI6 or it's equivalent depending on your country. You don't publicize it until you get the go-ahead. The problem is that by handing it over instead of publishing it you are losing out on a huge payday and could quite possibly be the difference between getting a raise or being fired for letting it go without publishing it.

I just think this is a case where the journalists wanted to capitalize on the story, which is fine, but in my opinion is a truly dumb move because it lets the enemy know what we have in our war chest.
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3/12/2016 3:45:14 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/12/2016 3:30:59 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 3/11/2016 9:22:25 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/11/2016 8:37:45 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
They should have kept this under wraps until the information was verified, such as the 22,000 supposed supporters. Now they enemy knows that we are in possession of this material and can take counter-measures.

Dumb move.

There are times when transparency is good, and even necessary. However, there are also times when stuff should truly be kept under wraps until a more appropriate time comes. This is one of those latter situations. In the grand game of war, this was a poor maneuver.

In all fairness, if the information was given to a journalist instead of a government organization then I don't see how they could've kept it a secret.

Lol, what? It's incredibly easy...

As a journalist, you simply hand it over to MI6 or it's equivalent depending on your country. You don't publicize it until you get the go-ahead. The problem is that by handing it over instead of publishing it you are losing out on a huge payday and could quite possibly be the difference between getting a raise or being fired for letting it go without publishing it.

Exactly. What journalist would just hand it over?

I just think this is a case where the journalists wanted to capitalize on the story, which is fine, but in my opinion is a truly dumb move because it lets the enemy know what we have in our war chest.
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3/12/2016 3:58:43 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/12/2016 3:45:14 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/12/2016 3:30:59 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 3/11/2016 9:22:25 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/11/2016 8:37:45 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
They should have kept this under wraps until the information was verified, such as the 22,000 supposed supporters. Now they enemy knows that we are in possession of this material and can take counter-measures.

Dumb move.

There are times when transparency is good, and even necessary. However, there are also times when stuff should truly be kept under wraps until a more appropriate time comes. This is one of those latter situations. In the grand game of war, this was a poor maneuver.

In all fairness, if the information was given to a journalist instead of a government organization then I don't see how they could've kept it a secret.

Lol, what? It's incredibly easy...

As a journalist, you simply hand it over to MI6 or it's equivalent depending on your country. You don't publicize it until you get the go-ahead. The problem is that by handing it over instead of publishing it you are losing out on a huge payday and could quite possibly be the difference between getting a raise or being fired for letting it go without publishing it.

Exactly. What journalist would just hand it over?

Sadly, not alot... if any at all.

I just think this is a case where the journalists wanted to capitalize on the story, which is fine, but in my opinion is a truly dumb move because it lets the enemy know what we have in our war chest.
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3/13/2016 11:25:45 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/11/2016 8:37:45 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
They should have kept this under wraps until the information was verified, such as the 22,000 supposed supporters. Now they enemy knows that we are in possession of this material and can take counter-measures.

Dumb move.

There are times when transparency is good, and even necessary. However, there are also times when stuff should truly be kept under wraps until a more appropriate time comes. This is one of those latter situations. In the grand game of war, this was a poor maneuver.

This is true. But, how do you know they haven't killed the 22,000 people yet? In other words, have already taken care of the problem and are just now releasing it?
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3/14/2016 3:29:51 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/13/2016 11:25:45 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/11/2016 8:37:45 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
They should have kept this under wraps until the information was verified, such as the 22,000 supposed supporters. Now they enemy knows that we are in possession of this material and can take counter-measures.

Dumb move.

There are times when transparency is good, and even necessary. However, there are also times when stuff should truly be kept under wraps until a more appropriate time comes. This is one of those latter situations. In the grand game of war, this was a poor maneuver.

This is true. But, how do you know they haven't killed the 22,000 people yet? In other words, have already taken care of the problem and are just now releasing it?

Look at the language used in the original article, including the quotes. They address the topic in the present tense, never in past tense, the tone throughout the article is summed up by the ex-MI6 agent who said:

"It will be an absolute goldmine of information of enormous significance and interest to very many people, particularly the security and intelligence services," Barrett told Sky News.

YYW actually said it best, let the midnight raids begin. He's right too, this certainly won't stop them from raiding, the problem is just if ISIL already knows what names were on that list and warned them first. That's the main issue here in my perspective.
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3/14/2016 6:12:33 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/14/2016 3:29:51 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 3/13/2016 11:25:45 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/11/2016 8:37:45 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
They should have kept this under wraps until the information was verified, such as the 22,000 supposed supporters. Now they enemy knows that we are in possession of this material and can take counter-measures.

Dumb move.

There are times when transparency is good, and even necessary. However, there are also times when stuff should truly be kept under wraps until a more appropriate time comes. This is one of those latter situations. In the grand game of war, this was a poor maneuver.

This is true. But, how do you know they haven't killed the 22,000 people yet? In other words, have already taken care of the problem and are just now releasing it?

Look at the language used in the original article, including the quotes. They address the topic in the present tense, never in past tense, the tone throughout the article is summed up by the ex-MI6 agent who said:

"It will be an absolute goldmine of information of enormous significance and interest to very many people, particularly the security and intelligence services," Barrett told Sky News.

YYW actually said it best, let the midnight raids begin. He's right too, this certainly won't stop them from raiding, the problem is just if ISIL already knows what names were on that list and warned them first. That's the main issue here in my perspective.

Ah. You see, I didn't take the time to read the article, and you did.
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