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6/12/2016 4:10:21 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
And no one in the forums are talking about it?

http://abcnews.go.com...

50 dead, 53 wounded. The officials said the death toll will likely rise.

The shooter is affiliated with ISIS.
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6/12/2016 4:12:22 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/12/2016 4:10:21 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
And no one in the forums are talking about it?

http://abcnews.go.com...

50 dead, 53 wounded. The officials said the death toll will likely rise.

The shooter is affiliated with ISIS.
well I see one topic with 12 posts-that's it
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6/12/2016 4:13:34 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/12/2016 4:10:21 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
And no one in the forums are talking about it?

http://abcnews.go.com...

50 dead, 53 wounded. The officials said the death toll will likely rise.

Ya... What makes this ridiculous is some places are censoring any information about this shooting (the news subreddit is one example).

The shooter is affiliated with ISIS.

Speculated to be. We know he is Muslim, it seemed he sympathized with Islamic extremists, but we do not know what his affiliation with any Islamic Terrorist group is.
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6/12/2016 4:42:03 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/12/2016 4:10:21 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
And no one in the forums are talking about it?

http://abcnews.go.com...

50 dead, 53 wounded. The officials said the death toll will likely rise.

The shooter is affiliated with ISIS.
I heard a briefing about a shooting in a nightclub, and the shooting of Christina Grimmie on the News when I was listening to Coast to Coast at 3 am while I was falling asleep. I woke up this morning and heard that there were 50 killed and 53 hospitalized in the nightclub shootings, but little info other than that.

Maybe members are waiting for more info before posting to the forum.
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6/12/2016 4:42:13 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/12/2016 4:10:21 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
And no one in the forums are talking about it?

http://abcnews.go.com...

50 dead, 53 wounded. The officials said the death toll will likely rise.

The shooter is affiliated with ISIS.

You didn't check the politics forum I assume: http://www.debate.org...

How do you know the shooter is affiliated with ISIS? None of the news articles (Including the one you provided) mention them? (Unless I am mistaken).
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6/12/2016 4:55:14 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/12/2016 4:42:13 PM, Axonly wrote:
At 6/12/2016 4:10:21 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
And no one in the forums are talking about it?

http://abcnews.go.com...

50 dead, 53 wounded. The officials said the death toll will likely rise.

The shooter is suspected of being affiliated with ISIS.

You didn't check the politics forum I assume: http://www.debate.org...
yeah i said I noticed that in post #2


How do you know the shooter is affiliated with ISIS? None of the news articles (Including the one you provided) mention them? (Unless I am mistaken).
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6/12/2016 5:09:16 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/12/2016 4:10:21 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
And no one in the forums are talking about it?

http://abcnews.go.com...

50 dead, 53 wounded. The officials said the death toll will likely rise.

The shooter is affiliated with ISIS.

Trump's support isn't going to rise because of this *sarcasm*
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6/12/2016 5:17:12 PM
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If it turns out the shooter is a homo, this will quickly disappear from the news.

When the DC Sniper turned out to be a black man who kept a teenage boy, that huge news story came to an abrupt end. The media (and the black police chief) could no longer pimp speculation of a white racist.

Last year when the media was crying hate-crime arson against black churches, that story came to an abrupt end when a black man was charged with the crimes. The media could no loner pimp speculation of a white racist. The authorities also declined to charge the offender with with hate crimes against blacks or hate crimes against Christians. Ah, black privileged.
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6/12/2016 5:32:16 PM
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I predict that this will simultaneously feed into anti-Muslim and anti-gun rhetoric.
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6/12/2016 6:51:36 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/12/2016 5:17:12 PM, Rukado wrote:
If it turns out the shooter is a homo, this will quickly disappear from the news.

When the DC Sniper turned out to be a black man who kept a teenage boy, that huge news story came to an abrupt end. The media (and the black police chief) could no longer pimp speculation of a white racist.

Last year when the media was crying hate-crime arson against black churches, that story came to an abrupt end when a black man was charged with the crimes. The media could no loner pimp speculation of a white racist. The authorities also declined to charge the offender with with hate crimes against blacks or hate crimes against Christians. Ah, black privileged.

Sounds like you care alot.
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6/12/2016 11:40:38 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/12/2016 4:13:34 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 6/12/2016 4:10:21 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
And no one in the forums are talking about it?

http://abcnews.go.com...

50 dead, 53 wounded. The officials said the death toll will likely rise.

Ya... What makes this ridiculous is some places are censoring any information about this shooting (the news subreddit is one example).
Most likely because it involves to LGBT community

The shooter is affiliated with ISIS.

Speculated to be. We know he is Muslim, it seemed he sympathized with Islamic extremists, but we do not know what his affiliation with any Islamic Terrorist group is.
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6/13/2016 2:14:19 AM
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Too bad they weren't able to defend themselves.
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6/13/2016 4:00:38 AM
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Yeah, Omar Mateen, a 29 year old US citizen of Afghan descent attacked the Pulse, a gay night club in Orlando and killed at least 50 people and wounded 53 more. Apparently when the police were going through the crime scene, phones on the dead bodies kept ringing, because the deceased peoples friends and family were calling them.
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6/13/2016 4:35:19 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/12/2016 6:51:36 PM, Axonly wrote:
Sounds like you care alot.

I've got enough to care about, without caring about warmongering Republican neocons stirring up a Muslim to anti-America comeuppance taken out on perverted Democrat liberals.
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6/13/2016 5:45:06 AM
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At 6/13/2016 4:35:19 AM, Rukado wrote:
At 6/12/2016 6:51:36 PM, Axonly wrote:
Sounds like you care alot.

I've got enough to care about, without caring about warmongering Republican neocons stirring up a Muslim to anti-America comeuppance taken out on perverted Democrat liberals.

Do you listen to yourself?
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6/13/2016 7:48:25 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/13/2016 5:45:06 AM, Axonly wrote:
Do you listen to yourself?

Yes. The people who "care" on the ones responsible for this.
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6/14/2016 5:11:55 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/14/2016 1:37:33 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org...

Actually this was the worst mass shooting in US history

I agree with dispensing with calling this latest shooting "the worst mass shooting in US history". That freak who killed a couple dozen wonderful children at the Sandyhook elementary school did much worse than freak who killed those diseased brownshirts at the gay club. This latest killing was the deadliest, not the worst.

As for Wounded Knee, that was an unfortunate military battle, not a mass killing by a civilian, so it's not the same category.
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6/14/2016 1:18:09 PM
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At 6/14/2016 5:11:55 AM, Rukado wrote:
That freak who killed a couple dozen wonderful children at the Sandyhook elementary school did much worse than freak who killed those diseased brownshirts at the gay club.

What does "worse" mean? Let's look to that first. According to the Oxford Dictionary, "worse" means "less good or desirable." [http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...] By "desirable," we are referencing what is "desired" by the population as a whole, i.e. the interests of the population. There are two universal interests: the interest to gain positive mental states, and the interest to avoid/reduce negative mental states. So we must follow a utilitarian standard of measurement.

Twenty children and six adult staff members were shot at the Sandy Hook mass shooting. [https://en.wikipedia.org...] 49 innocents were killed and 53 non-fatal injuries were caused by the Orlando nightclub shooting. [https://en.wikipedia.org...] While it is impossible or very difficult to measure the exact resultant harm (e.g. family members affected), at face value more people were harmed by the Orlando shooting than the Sandy Hook shooting. That is not to undermine the horror of the Sandy Hook shooting.

You say the people who died at the gay club were "diseased brownshirts." Immediately, that strikes me as extremely homophobic, but I'll analyze it in any case to explain why you're wrong. "Diseased" means "suffering from disease." [http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...] There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that anyone at the gay club suffered from some sort of disease, nor that suffering from a disease somehow reduces the overall negative mental states generated by the shooting. If you're referring to homosexuality, it is not a mental disorder at all -- that's wrong. [https://www.psychologytoday.com...] It is no longer classified as a mental disorder or "disease."

I understand that you were using "brownshirts" informally, but let us analyze that as well, regardless. According to the Oxford Dictionary, "brownshirt" refers to "a member of a Nazi militia founded by Hitler in Munich in 1921, with brown uniforms resembling those of Mussolini's Blackshirts. They aided Hitler's rise to power, but were eclipsed by the SS after the "night of the long knives" in June 1934." [http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...] They were properly referred to as the "Sturmabteilung." The organization was dissolved on May 8, 1945. [https://en.wikipedia.org...] As such, there are no "brownshirts" today, and there is no evidence to suggest that any of these people were "brownshirts."

As such, your claim is not only homophobic and offensive, but also factually inaccurate. Have a good day.
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6/14/2016 1:32:47 PM
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At 6/14/2016 1:18:09 PM, tejretics wrote:
You say the people who died at the gay club were "diseased brownshirts." Immediately, that strikes me as extremely homophobic, but I'll analyze it in any case to explain why you're wrong. "Diseased" means "suffering from disease." [http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...] There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that anyone at the gay club suffered from some sort of disease,

Don't you libbies ever get tired of playing dumb? Homosexuality itself is a disease where the brain and the body are not in tune with each other (pointing to PhDs in a circle jerk saying it's not a disease is the error of appeal to authority). And, statistically, male homosexuals suffer from STDs at a vastly greater rate than heterosexuals. Probably the majority of those killed carried, or has carried, an STD, while not a single child at Sandyhook at an STD.

I understand that you were using "brownshirts" informally, but let us analyze that as well, regardless. According to the Oxford Dictionary, "brownshirt" refers to "a member of a Nazi militia founded by Hitler in Munich in 1921, with brown uniforms resembling those of Mussolini's Blackshirts.

The nazi Brownshirts are infamous for being a bunch of homos on a mission of tyranny, just like homos today who support anti-consent laws.

As such, your claim is not only homophobic and offensive, but also factually inaccurate. Have a good day.

Yes, I'll have a good day. :)
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6/14/2016 1:46:27 PM
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At 6/12/2016 5:17:12 PM, Rukado wrote:
If it turns out the shooter is a homo, this will quickly disappear from the news.

When the DC Sniper turned out to be a black man who kept a teenage boy, that huge news story came to an abrupt end. The media (and the black police chief) could no longer pimp speculation of a white racist.

Last year when the media was crying hate-crime arson against black churches, that story came to an abrupt end when a black man was charged with the crimes. The media could no loner pimp speculation of a white racist. The authorities also declined to charge the offender with with hate crimes against blacks or hate crimes against Christians. Ah, black privileged.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

We'll see if you're right. On Orlando local news stations they had one of his classmates say that he asked him out on a date and his wife said he admitted to gay tendencies to her. We shall see
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6/14/2016 1:54:10 PM
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At 6/14/2016 1:46:27 PM, vortex86 wrote:
We'll see if you're right. On Orlando local news stations they had one of his classmates say that he asked him out on a date and his wife said he admitted to gay tendencies to her. We shall see

It has now become public that the shooter hung out at the homo club for years. Another article I read reports a drag queen that was friends with the shooter for years. But, so far, the media narrative is still that he was a "homophobe" rather than a homosexual.
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6/14/2016 11:17:03 PM
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At 6/14/2016 5:11:55 AM, Rukado wrote:
At 6/14/2016 1:37:33 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org...

Actually this was the worst mass shooting in US history

I agree with dispensing with calling this latest shooting "the worst mass shooting in US history". That freak who killed a couple dozen wonderful children at the Sandyhook elementary school did much worse than freak who killed those diseased brownshirts at the gay club. This latest killing was the deadliest, not the worst.

As for Wounded Knee, that was an unfortunate military battle, not a mass killing by a civilian, so it's not the same category.

Wounded Knee was not a battle, it was a massacre carried out by the US army against civilians.
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6/14/2016 11:23:57 PM
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At 6/12/2016 4:10:21 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
And no one in the forums are talking about it?

http://abcnews.go.com...

50 dead, 53 wounded. The officials said the death toll will likely rise.

The shooter is affiliated with ISIS.

This isn't the worse mass shooting in U.S. History...The media has made this claim, history hasn't.
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6/15/2016 6:17:48 AM
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At 6/12/2016 4:10:21 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
And no one in the forums are talking about it?

http://abcnews.go.com...

50 dead, 53 wounded. The officials said the death toll will likely rise.

The shooter is affiliated with ISIS.

No one wants to face reality and look at the 800 pound gorilla in the room. They don't want to accept the lie they have been living and just want it to go away. But it won't go away, you,I or someone else is next. They would rather live the lie and hope it's not them. rather than admit they are wrong and have to throw their whole world out the window admit they are wrong and do what needs to be done, which of course will be extremely political incorrect.
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6/15/2016 1:26:24 PM
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At 6/14/2016 1:32:47 PM, Rukado wrote:
At 6/14/2016 1:18:09 PM, tejretics wrote:
You say the people who died at the gay club were "diseased brownshirts." Immediately, that strikes me as extremely homophobic, but I'll analyze it in any case to explain why you're wrong. "Diseased" means "suffering from disease." [http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...] There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that anyone at the gay club suffered from some sort of disease,

Don't you libbies ever get tired of playing dumb?

Do you get tired of making things up? To wit: " Homosexuality itself is a disease where the brain and the body are not in tune with each other"

(pointing to PhDs in a circle jerk saying it's not a disease is the error of appeal to authority).

And pointing to yourself is nothing more than an appeal to an assertion. lets see your research on the matter, independently verified, etc etc. An appeal to authority is not always a fallacy, especially when you are deferring to similar judgments of authorities in their field.

And, statistically, male homosexuals suffer from STDs at a vastly greater rate than heterosexuals. Probably the majority of those killed carried, or has carried, an STD, while not a single child at Sandyhook at an STD.

Because men, homo or hetero, are more likely to carry STDs in general. I noticed you didn't bring up homosexual women. It has nothing to do with the preference and all to do with the action.

I understand that you were using "brownshirts" informally, but let us analyze that as well, regardless. According to the Oxford Dictionary, "brownshirt" refers to "a member of a Nazi militia founded by Hitler in Munich in 1921, with brown uniforms resembling those of Mussolini's Blackshirts.

The nazi Brownshirts are infamous for being a bunch of homos on a mission of tyranny, just like homos today who support anti-consent laws.

As such, your claim is not only homophobic and offensive, but also factually inaccurate. Have a good day.

Yes, I'll have a good day. :)
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