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2/12/2011 7:40:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
has been one of the most important, life-altering experiences of my life. I say this because I see a lot of people talking about preparing for college on this website and some have said they might stay in their hometown. My 17 y/o brother told me that he thinks he'll stay home for college. What?!

I'll admit that practically speaking, going away to school is usually NOT worth it at all because of how expensive it is compared to just commuting to a local good school. However as Oscar Wilde said - "Education is an admirable thing, but it is well to remember from time to time that nothing that is worth knowing can be taught." I'd say 90% of the most important things I've learned these past 5 years have been life lessons outside of a classroom, and facilitated by me being away from home (for better or worse). In other words, I'd encourage you to seriously consider going away to school if you haven't already.

As a side note, I'm going to a lingerie party tonight! This means dozens and dozens of girls wearing nothing but racy lingerie! Woohoo! I'm too excited for words :D I'm telling you college really has its perks...
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2/12/2011 8:02:22 PM
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Enjoy the party, although no great envy on my end. Do Lesbians have white parties?

Anyway, I did both, and if at all possible you can afford to live away do it, but if you don't need to, and it mean more debt, or a prolonged college experience, it's just not worth it. It's 4 years usually, and the big old world will still be there when you get out, but if you have the bucks - indulge.
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2/12/2011 8:06:29 PM
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At 2/12/2011 7:40:40 PM, theLwerd wrote:
has been one of the most important, life-altering experiences of my life. I say this because I see a lot of people talking about preparing for college on this website and some have said they might stay in their hometown. My 17 y/o brother told me that he thinks he'll stay home for college. What?!

I'll admit that practically speaking, going away to school is usually NOT worth it at all because of how expensive it is compared to just commuting to a local good school. However as Oscar Wilde said - "Education is an admirable thing, but it is well to remember from time to time that nothing that is worth knowing can be taught." I'd say 90% of the most important things I've learned these past 5 years have been life lessons outside of a classroom, and facilitated by me being away from home (for better or worse). In other words, I'd encourage you to seriously consider going away to school if you haven't already.


Werd. Going away for college was one of the best things I ever did.
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2/12/2011 8:08:49 PM
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At 2/12/2011 8:02:22 PM, innomen wrote:
Enjoy the party, although no great envy on my end. Do Lesbians have white parties?

Lol this isn't a lesbian party. It's at my friend Nick's house. It will be co-ed and probably 98% heterosexual :) But yes I've been to black and white parties before. I don't do "gay" parties though. The parties I go to are inclusive and non-discriminatory lol.

Anyway, I did both, and if at all possible you can afford to live away do it, but if you don't need to, and it mean more debt, or a prolonged college experience, it's just not worth it. It's 4 years usually, and the big old world will still be there when you get out, but if you have the bucks - indulge.

I agree. It's VERY hard to consider whether or not I'd make the same choice if I could do it all over again. On one hand it cost me SO. MUCH. MONEY. completely unnecessarily which will impact and burden me for pretty much my whole life... But on the other, I would be a totally different (less worldly, experienced, mature and informed) individual without the experience. So I dunno. That's good advice though -- if you can, do it! If your parents are willing to pay for it (mine didn't) then no friggin excuses lol gtfo and go away to school.
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2/12/2011 8:18:09 PM
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I think given that Ive spent half my life in Minnesota and half my life in Las Vegas, I'm not too worried about leaving my city for different experiences. Not to mention, I travel to California and Arizona frequently every year. Plus, I live in the entertainment capital of the world, why would I want to leave??
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2/12/2011 8:36:21 PM
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At 2/12/2011 8:18:09 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I think given that Ive spent half my life in Minnesota and half my life in Las Vegas, I'm not too worried about leaving my city for different experiences.

Srsly? You think Vegas and Minnesota are at the top of the totem pole on what this country has to offer? Hehe...

Not to mention, I travel to California and Arizona frequently every year. Plus, I live in the entertainment capital of the world, why would I want to leave??

I've been to Vegas. There are a ton of hotels with casinos, pools and live entertainment: cheesey shows like Sigfried and Roy, Cirque du Soleil and Celine Dion. I mean don't get me wrong - Vegas is bad a$s and all lol but it's a bunch of debauchery in the middle of a desert... are you gonna stay there for life?! Ick. The thought of staying anywhere for an extended amount of time depresses me. I was born and raised in New York City and I still chose to go away to school (not very far lol but far enough) and move to the midwest... for my gf, but still. I'm really digging this cultural shift. I'm thinking of writing a book! Experiencing this sub-culture within the American culture has been a lot more interesting than I thought it'd be. Ah, life is a great social experiment :) But anyway you're gonna be living on your own soon and starting a whole new chapter so this doesn't apply to you as much.
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2/12/2011 8:36:25 PM
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I have gotten letters from a few.
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2/12/2011 8:36:49 PM
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At 2/12/2011 8:21:27 PM, juvanya wrote:
College is pointless. Save your money.

Lol. Actually... yeah, pretty much.
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2/12/2011 9:35:53 PM
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At 2/12/2011 8:36:49 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 2/12/2011 8:21:27 PM, juvanya wrote:
College is pointless. Save your money.

Lol. Actually... yeah, pretty much.

Its true. Where are you gonna get a job with that degree? There are thousands of janitors with PhDs. I only have 3 semesters left, so Im gonna finish. It may have a use in 10 20 years or in another country, but other than that...
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2/12/2011 9:36:31 PM
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At 2/12/2011 8:36:25 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
I have gotten letters from a few.

Send back the reply envelops filled with dirt. Thats what I did...well I was going to...
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2/12/2011 11:38:17 PM
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At 2/12/2011 7:40:40 PM, theLwerd wrote:
has been one of the most important, life-altering experiences of my life. I say this because I see a lot of people talking about preparing for college on this website and some have said they might stay in their hometown. My 17 y/o brother told me that he thinks he'll stay home for college. What?!

I'll admit that practically speaking, going away to school is usually NOT worth it at all because of how expensive it is compared to just commuting to a local good school. However as Oscar Wilde said - "Education is an admirable thing, but it is well to remember from time to time that nothing that is worth knowing can be taught." I'd say 90% of the most important things I've learned these past 5 years have been life lessons outside of a classroom, and facilitated by me being away from home (for better or worse). In other words, I'd encourage you to seriously consider going away to school if you haven't already.

As a side note, I'm going to a lingerie party tonight! This means dozens and dozens of girls wearing nothing but racy lingerie! Woohoo! I'm too excited for words :D I'm telling you college really has its perks...

I went to Arizona State University (ASU) for a semester and it was a very liberating experience, but also very lonely (hence why I only lasted a semester lol). I didn't have a roomie in my dorm and I was terribly homesick most of the time. There were a few benefits though like: being able to dance around dorm in my undies, parties, and exploring a new city. I say if you have the opportunity to go to college out of state, do it!!
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2/12/2011 11:38:41 PM
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At 2/12/2011 9:35:53 PM, juvanya wrote:
At 2/12/2011 8:36:49 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 2/12/2011 8:21:27 PM, juvanya wrote:
College is pointless. Save your money.

Lol. Actually... yeah, pretty much.

Its true. Where are you gonna get a job with that degree? There are thousands of janitors with PhDs. I only have 3 semesters left, so Im gonna finish. It may have a use in 10 20 years or in another country, but other than that...

Actually to become a janitor you have to be quite educated as well as the fact it has some of the best pay and benefits of any field but the hours are hell and it is quite dangerous in many incidents.
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: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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2/12/2011 11:46:43 PM
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At 2/12/2011 8:36:21 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 2/12/2011 8:18:09 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I think given that Ive spent half my life in Minnesota and half my life in Las Vegas, I'm not too worried about leaving my city for different experiences.

Srsly? You think Vegas and Minnesota are at the top of the totem pole on what this country has to offer? Hehe...

Uh, I never said that.

Not to mention, I travel to California and Arizona frequently every year. Plus, I live in the entertainment capital of the world, why would I want to leave??

I've been to Vegas. There are a ton of hotels with casinos, pools and live entertainment: cheesey shows like Sigfried and Roy, Cirque du Soleil and Celine Dion. I mean don't get me wrong - Vegas is bad a$s and all lol but it's a bunch of debauchery in the middle of a desert... are you gonna stay there for life?! Ick. The thought of staying anywhere for an extended amount of time depresses me. I was born and raised in New York City and I still chose to go away to school (not very far lol but far enough) and move to the midwest... for my gf, but still. I'm really digging this cultural shift. I'm thinking of writing a book! Experiencing this sub-culture within the American culture has been a lot more interesting than I thought it'd be.

Yeah, I definitely would like to visit the East, but I don't think I'd wanna live there. I think I'll be fine living in Vegas, just long as I take lots of trips out of state.
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2/13/2011 1:52:09 AM
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What's a party?

That said, two more years at home would really suck. Only a couple hours on the bus away from home, but that's enough space to do the trick.
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2/13/2011 3:33:56 AM
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If I had to do it all over again with the hindsight I currently possess, I would become a plumber or electrician and invest the money I earned. With the current interest rate I made over the past 3 years (46% each year roughly) I would have 201,112.08 + 3 years salary as an electrician (150,000) (http://www.payscale.com...) = 351,112.08

With with the additional knowledge that I could have lived with my girlfriend this whole time (she goes to a different college to study to be a Physicians Assistant)

Plus I would have more spare time, would live in my own apartment and not have to deal with others messes,

I would have a pretty regular schedule

Would probably work for myself after a few years

According to Roth IRA calculators if all my money would be in taxable accounts (which it would not most would be in nontaxable) I would retire at age 45 with 8% annual interest in a 25% tax bracket with 1.7 million dollars and if it was in non-taxable accounts (most would be) I would retire with 2.6 million dollars.

Furthermore I wouldn't have to waste my time going to tons of interviews, join clubs to get on my resume, study needlessly for subjects such as german that has literally no value to me, and waste 3 years of my life with courses that are complete nonsense and that I had no interest in taking.

Furthermore I would be at a lower tax rate over the course of my life and would make more money.

Anyone that is telling you that college is worth it and is an investment is someone who is either:

1. Studying for a very limited number of professions where it is actually worth it (physicians assistant, i'm sure there are others i can't think of right now)

2. Completely stupid and have no clue how to work out the numbers for themselves

3. Have no clue how to invest

4. Have some stake in wanting you to go to college (professors, work at a college, etc.)

The "life lessons" you learn are from living on your own and going out to bars with friends. Nothing of value comes from college besides an inordinate amount of useless knowledge and maybe 4 hours of actual material that you learn and retain that is useful and relevant

The internet exists and anything you could possibly want to learn about anything can be learned more quickly and efficiently just by googling it than by going to class. Anyone who is telling you differently has no motivation or personal drive to learn in the first place and needs college to baby them along in the learning process.
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2/13/2011 3:39:25 AM
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Also my GPA is a 3.92, I am in a pretty prestigious honors college with students who have an average of a 1500/1600 on their SATs and that's an average. Every class I've had is 30 people or less with the exception of 2 classes. I've joined numerous clubs and activities and have gone to nearly every meeting. I am pursuing a thesis currently. I am majoring in Finance. I have lived in an apartment with roommates for all the years. Currently a junior graduating a semester early. Have been in both a small college (for freshman and sophmore years) and a huge college (junior and soon to be senior years).
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2/13/2011 3:40:14 AM
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This is college
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2/13/2011 11:40:24 AM
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At 2/13/2011 3:40:14 AM, askbob wrote:


This is college

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: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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2/13/2011 11:45:06 AM
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At 2/13/2011 3:39:25 AM, askbob wrote:

can you make out some sort of an investment plan for me so that i can retire at 45? if i lose my money i'll probably kill you...
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2/13/2011 12:03:24 PM
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I agree with askbob - college is a huge waste of time and money! I could have taken the university out of the equation and learned just as much regarding life experience considering it was all outside of a classroom. Even academically speaking I learned infinitely more in the 2 years that I took off school than I did while I was there. I'm not looking forward to resuming classes -- it's just going to make learning stressful again. Not only that but only 25% of our generation goes into their wanted field. However a few minutes ago I was watching a reality TV show (Million Dollar Listing) about buying multi-million dollar mansions and the people on there just made me sick. I literally had a negative visceral reaction to how preoccupied with money they were. I used to be obsessed with money but I don't even care anymore. So long as I'm not working my a$s to the bone and living comfortably, I can still be really happy. I am now :)
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2/13/2011 12:33:19 PM
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At 2/12/2011 11:46:43 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Uh, I never said that.

You said, "Given that Ive spent half my life in Minnesota and half my life in Las Vegas, I'm not too worried about leaving my city for different experiences." That implies that Minnesota and Las Vegas offer plenty of experience-worthy things. Other than the Mall of America (which is only the biggest because of the indoor roller-coaster -- otherwise it'd be in Illinois) I can't name anything in Minnesota... oh, and the Vikings. As I said Vegas is casinos, strip clubs, dance clubs and cheesey shows. All of those are fun but I would certainly want to move and experience other things too. That's just my opinion.

Yeah, I definitely would like to visit the East, but I don't think I'd wanna live there. I think I'll be fine living in Vegas, just long as I take lots of trips out of state.

I don't know if I want to live there either. Now that I've experienced otherwise, I realize I don't like it as much as I thought I did. That's part of why I want to keep moving around :)
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2/13/2011 12:35:13 PM
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At 2/13/2011 12:03:24 PM, theLwerd wrote:
I agree with askbob - college is a huge waste of time and money!
It depends on how you look at it. Just because it's a waste of time and money for you doesn't mean it applies to others. Some people develop in many ways while going to college. Maybe you didn't get something miraculous from it, but it applies to you, not others.
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2/13/2011 1:42:43 PM
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lol American schools are soo expensive. My university is about 25 minutes away (less than 20 minutes if I take the toll freeway, which I don't) so I live at home. It doesn't bother me in the slightest. There are three universities in Toronto so a lot of people stay at home. I really don't see the point in wasting money to live when I can live for free.
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2/13/2011 1:43:34 PM
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At 2/13/2011 12:03:24 PM, theLwerd wrote:
I agree with askbob - college is a huge waste of time and money! I could have taken the university out of the equation and learned just as much regarding life experience considering it was all outside of a classroom. Even academically speaking I learned infinitely more in the 2 years that I took off school than I did while I was there. I'm not looking forward to resuming classes -- it's just going to make learning stressful again. Not only that but only 25% of our generation goes into their wanted field. However a few minutes ago I was watching a reality TV show (Million Dollar Listing) about buying multi-million dollar mansions and the people on there just made me sick. I literally had a negative visceral reaction to how preoccupied with money they were. I used to be obsessed with money but I don't even care anymore. So long as I'm not working my a$s to the bone and living comfortably, I can still be really happy. I am now :)

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It's about getting a piece of paper saying that you're qualified to work in the field that you desire.
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2/13/2011 1:50:26 PM
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At 2/13/2011 1:43:34 PM, zGodMode wrote:
It's about getting a piece of paper saying that you're qualified to work in the field that you desire.

Which usually turns out to be irrelevant. My aunt got a degree in finance. She became a physical massage therapist and now works as an elementary school teacher. As I said, only 25% go into their college field. Also a lot of the requirements for said piece of paper are bullsh!t. As askbob pointed out, one doesn't have to learn a foreign language to become an engineer (for example). While you DO learn about your major in school, obviously, most people learn on the job and from hands-on experience.
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2/13/2011 1:52:58 PM
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At 2/13/2011 1:42:43 PM, nonentity wrote:
I really don't see the point in wasting money to live when I can live for free.

Life experience. It might not be worth it to you, and I can totally see why. Like I said I would probably make a different choice if I could do it all over again. However I'm glad I experienced what I did. I went through some crazy sh!t these past few years. It was hard but I really feel I learned and grew a lot through it all (I'm talking about stuff outside of a classroom obviously). I feel like I know myself and about the world a lot more than other people my age who still live at home and who I feel are very sheltered and naive. Most of my lessons have come from mistakes, admittedly.
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2/13/2011 2:02:54 PM
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At 2/13/2011 1:52:58 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 2/13/2011 1:42:43 PM, nonentity wrote:
I really don't see the point in wasting money to live when I can live for free.

Life experience. It might not be worth it to you, and I can totally see why. Like I said I would probably make a different choice if I could do it all over again. However I'm glad I experienced what I did. I went through some crazy sh!t these past few years. It was hard but I really feel I learned and grew a lot through it all (I'm talking about stuff outside of a classroom obviously). I feel like I know myself and about the world a lot more than other people my age who still live at home and who I feel are very sheltered and naive. Most of my lessons have come from mistakes, admittedly.

I still think that I learned and grew a lot by living at home. Then again, I don't have the experience of living on campus to compare it to. And based on what friends have told me about living on campus, I don't feel like I've missed out on anything special. Just roommates using your hair products and eating your food and partying when you're trying to study and drama drama drama.
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2/13/2011 3:51:38 PM
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College has value. My engineering degree is worth: $497,930 and I don't even pay tuition (mother is professor, so I get tuition free). Plus since i got another scholarship, which covers enough for fees and books. Only thing I really pay for is housing and food, and the opportunity cost of a full time job. However if msn did the calculations right, it should pay off.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...
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2/13/2011 3:54:21 PM
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At 2/13/2011 3:51:38 PM, darkkermit wrote:
College has value. My engineering degree is worth: $497,930 and I don't even pay tuition (mother is professor, so I get tuition free). Plus since i got another scholarship, which covers enough for fees and books. Only thing I really pay for is housing and food, and the opportunity cost of a full time job. However if msn did the calculations right, it should pay off.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...

Wow, you are extremely lucky then. If I want to do any college I'm on my own, having almost no support from my family.