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2/13/2011 2:01:37 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Is it wrong that I plan on causing someone what I hope will be moderate emotional suffering for my own sick satisfaction?
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2/13/2011 2:02:51 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
meh, depending how much effort you put into it it might reflect poorly on your character. lol. hard to say when dealing in such vague terms.
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2/13/2011 2:03:22 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
What sort of sick satisfaction?

Has the person done anything to you?

To something else?

What are the means of causing emotional suffering?
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2/13/2011 2:17:36 AM
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At 2/13/2011 2:03:22 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
What sort of sick satisfaction?
The satisfaction of knowing that I've hurt them more than they've hurt me.

Has the person done anything to you?
Well, yes. From my perspective anyway. I'm sure this person doesn't feel that they've done anything wrong.

What are the means of causing emotional suffering?
That would be telling. I know this person quite well, so it wasn't difficult to formulate a plan.
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2/13/2011 2:18:54 AM
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At 2/13/2011 2:02:51 AM, belle wrote:
meh, depending how much effort you put into it it might reflect poorly on your character. lol. hard to say when dealing in such vague terms.

I'm sorry about the vagueness, but I've suspected that this person internet stalks me for a while. They'll know I'm talking about them, but if I avoid directly referencing anything to do with them, including their sex, our relationship, ect, I have plausible denial.
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2/13/2011 2:19:28 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/13/2011 2:01:37 AM, tvellalott wrote:
Is it wrong that I plan on causing someone what I hope will be moderate emotional suffering for my own sick satisfaction?

That depends on your morality.
Do you have some sort of justification for it?
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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2/13/2011 2:22:39 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/13/2011 2:19:28 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:01:37 AM, tvellalott wrote:
Is it wrong that I plan on causing someone what I hope will be moderate emotional suffering for my own sick satisfaction?

That depends on your morality.
LOL. What morality?

Do you have some sort of justification for it?
Yes, my own ridiculous, unfounded conspiracy theories.
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2/13/2011 2:23:35 AM
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Nope, not wrong. But it does have the potential for amusement.
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2/13/2011 2:26:10 AM
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At 2/13/2011 2:23:35 AM, annhasle wrote:
Nope, not wrong. But it does have the potential for amusement.

I knew you'd support me! :D
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2/13/2011 2:27:18 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/13/2011 2:17:36 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:03:22 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
What sort of sick satisfaction?
The satisfaction of knowing that I've hurt them more than they've hurt me.
For what purpose?

If there is no link to other terms in your purpose than "satisfaction" and "hurts more than they hurt you", yes, it's wrong. But if you aren't initiating force, meh, that's your bidness.
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2/13/2011 2:27:40 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/13/2011 2:22:39 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:19:28 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:01:37 AM, tvellalott wrote:
Is it wrong that I plan on causing someone what I hope will be moderate emotional suffering for my own sick satisfaction?

That depends on your morality.
LOL. What morality?

If you don't acknowledge morality than why are you asking if your course of action is wrong or not? If you are a moral nihilist then surely you don't care? The question becomes, "is it in my self interest to inflict what I hope will be moderate emotional suffering for my own sick satisfaction?"

Though I would suggest that despite any academic protestations of nihilism you are still held to account by guilt and such like.


Do you have some sort of justification for it?
Yes, my own ridiculous, unfounded conspiracy theories.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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2/13/2011 2:28:22 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/13/2011 2:22:39 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:19:28 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:01:37 AM, tvellalott wrote:
Is it wrong that I plan on causing someone what I hope will be moderate emotional suffering for my own sick satisfaction?

That depends on your morality.
LOL. What morality?

If you don't have a standard of value and some idea of how to get to that value--

why the hell make a topic asking whether something is wrong?
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2/13/2011 2:28:46 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
lol damn cereb beat me.
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2/13/2011 2:29:39 AM
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He CAN create a thread for the purpose of seeing others opinions even if he doesn't agree with them. Lol, being a nihilist doesn't mean you can't ask questions about morality. xD
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2/13/2011 2:29:51 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/13/2011 2:27:40 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:22:39 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:19:28 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:01:37 AM, tvellalott wrote:
Is it wrong that I plan on causing someone what I hope will be moderate emotional suffering for my own sick satisfaction?

That depends on your morality.
LOL. What morality?

If you don't acknowledge morality than why are you asking if your course of action is wrong or not? If you are a moral nihilist then surely you don't care? The question becomes, "is it in my self interest to inflict what I hope will be moderate emotional suffering for my own sick satisfaction?"

A very good point. Y'all convinced me.

Imma do it.
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2/13/2011 2:31:18 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/13/2011 2:27:40 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:22:39 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:19:28 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:01:37 AM, tvellalott wrote:
Is it wrong that I plan on causing someone what I hope will be moderate emotional suffering for my own sick satisfaction?

That depends on your morality.
LOL. What morality?

If you don't acknowledge morality than why are you asking if your course of action is wrong or not? If you are a moral nihilist then surely you don't care? The question becomes, "is it in my self interest to inflict what I hope will be moderate emotional suffering for my own sick satisfaction?"

on second thought, "self-interest" still implies a standard of value, you didn't beat me to it.
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2/13/2011 2:37:42 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/13/2011 2:26:10 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:23:35 AM, annhasle wrote:
Nope, not wrong. But it does have the potential for amusement.

I knew you'd support me! :D

But of course! Keep me updated!! xD
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2/13/2011 2:38:26 AM
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At 2/13/2011 2:29:39 AM, annhasle wrote:
He CAN create a thread for the purpose of seeing others opinions even if he doesn't agree with them. Lol, being a nihilist doesn't mean you can't ask questions about morality. xD

True, but why would he care? Unless of course he is a Dexter-style sociopath who simply does not understand how normal humans act and simply wants to fit in!
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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2/13/2011 2:39:22 AM
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At 2/13/2011 2:29:51 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:27:40 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:22:39 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:19:28 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:01:37 AM, tvellalott wrote:
Is it wrong that I plan on causing someone what I hope will be moderate emotional suffering for my own sick satisfaction?

That depends on your morality.
LOL. What morality?

If you don't acknowledge morality than why are you asking if your course of action is wrong or not? If you are a moral nihilist then surely you don't care? The question becomes, "is it in my self interest to inflict what I hope will be moderate emotional suffering for my own sick satisfaction?"

A very good point. Y'all convinced me.

Imma do it.

Damn... I've violated my morality.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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2/13/2011 2:40:22 AM
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At 2/13/2011 2:31:18 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:27:40 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:22:39 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:19:28 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:01:37 AM, tvellalott wrote:
Is it wrong that I plan on causing someone what I hope will be moderate emotional suffering for my own sick satisfaction?

That depends on your morality.
LOL. What morality?

If you don't acknowledge morality than why are you asking if your course of action is wrong or not? If you are a moral nihilist then surely you don't care? The question becomes, "is it in my self interest to inflict what I hope will be moderate emotional suffering for my own sick satisfaction?"

on second thought, "self-interest" still implies a standard of value, you didn't beat me to it.

But it's not a moral value is it? Hmm I am confused.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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2/13/2011 2:41:37 AM
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At 2/13/2011 2:38:26 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:29:39 AM, annhasle wrote:
He CAN create a thread for the purpose of seeing others opinions even if he doesn't agree with them. Lol, being a nihilist doesn't mean you can't ask questions about morality. xD

True, but why would he care?

A fellow user might put forward a different approach to the situation which may not be ethical -- and that could persuade him to do otherwise. Plus, if he's having qualms, it's most likely an emotional issue which he is now trying to see if it can be substantiated. It obviously can't be since morality is BS and now he will do it. :)

Unless of course he is a Dexter-style sociopath who simply does not understand how normal humans act and simply wants to fit in!

I wouldn't doubt it. *high five for tvellalott if that's true*
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2/13/2011 2:41:59 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/13/2011 2:40:22 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:31:18 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:27:40 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:22:39 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:19:28 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:01:37 AM, tvellalott wrote:
Is it wrong that I plan on causing someone what I hope will be moderate emotional suffering for my own sick satisfaction?

That depends on your morality.
LOL. What morality?

If you don't acknowledge morality than why are you asking if your course of action is wrong or not? If you are a moral nihilist then surely you don't care? The question becomes, "is it in my self interest to inflict what I hope will be moderate emotional suffering for my own sick satisfaction?"

on second thought, "self-interest" still implies a standard of value, you didn't beat me to it.

But it's not a moral value is it? Hmm I am confused.

No it isn't.
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2/13/2011 2:42:37 AM
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At 2/13/2011 2:38:26 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:29:39 AM, annhasle wrote:
He CAN create a thread for the purpose of seeing others opinions even if he doesn't agree with them. Lol, being a nihilist doesn't mean you can't ask questions about morality. xD

True, but why would he care? Unless of course he is a Dexter-style sociopath who simply does not understand how normal humans act and simply wants to fit in!

Clearly I wanted to see what a group of my peers who have a high amount of respect for thought about me potentially torturing someone for no reason.

Sentiments seem to be "If it feels good, do it." ^_-
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2/13/2011 2:44:44 AM
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I would urge you to pay no attention to these situational ethicists. Your intentions are based on wrath. You may or may not succeed in your immediate goals but overall you will fail because you will end up causing more harm to yourself than the good it will temporarily accomplish. Since you have the benefit of being able to question the moral validity of your actions, you also have the responsibility of keeping true to your better senses. If you truly are right about them deserving your punishment, then they probably have a diminished sense of honor and you will be hard pressed to degrade it further without throwing sh*t all over your own. For this reason you can only blame yourself for your judgment of character... it makes no sense to dive into social networks of moral invalids and try to bring justice to them when there are good people out there everywhere who can benefit from your company.
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2/13/2011 2:44:46 AM
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At 2/13/2011 2:42:37 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:38:26 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 2/13/2011 2:29:39 AM, annhasle wrote:
He CAN create a thread for the purpose of seeing others opinions even if he doesn't agree with them. Lol, being a nihilist doesn't mean you can't ask questions about morality. xD

True, but why would he care? Unless of course he is a Dexter-style sociopath who simply does not understand how normal humans act and simply wants to fit in!

Clearly I wanted to see what a group of my peers who have a high amount of respect for thought about me potentially torturing someone for no reason.

Sentiments seem to be "If it feels good, do it." ^_-

Damn straight. TAKE THEM DOWN, DAMMIT!!

^_^
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2/13/2011 2:46:52 AM
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At 2/13/2011 2:44:44 AM, Caramel wrote:
Blah, blah, blah, I'm a buzzkill. Blah. Blah. BLAH.

Sure 'nuff.
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2/13/2011 2:49:13 AM
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At 2/13/2011 2:44:44 AM, Caramel wrote:
I would urge you to pay no attention to these situational ethicists. Your intentions are based on wrath. You may or may not succeed in your immediate goals but overall you will fail because you will end up causing more harm to yourself than the good it will temporarily accomplish.

Only if he is weak and stupid.

Since you have the benefit of being able to question the moral validity of your actions, you also have the responsibility of keeping true to your better senses. If you truly are right about them deserving your punishment, then they probably have a diminished sense of honor and you will be hard pressed to degrade it further without throwing sh*t all over your own. For this reason you can only blame yourself for your judgment of character... it makes no sense to dive into social networks of moral invalids and try to bring justice to them when there are good people out there everywhere who can benefit from your company.

People only become 'good' because they are held to account by others.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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2/13/2011 2:52:25 AM
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Of course self interest is a moral value. If not, what is? Bowing to the lord of the Caramel Commune?
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