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New Study: Why Alcohol Alters Your Actions

GeoLaureate8
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9/15/2011 2:49:01 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
"...alcohol doesn't reduce your awareness of mistakes - it reduces how much you care about making those mistakes."

http://www.news-medical.net...
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9/15/2011 9:30:06 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/15/2011 2:49:01 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"...alcohol doesn't reduce your awareness of mistakes - it reduces how much you care about making those mistakes."



Sounds like something most of American students are doing.
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9/15/2011 8:44:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/15/2011 2:49:01 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"...alcohol doesn't reduce your awareness of mistakes - it reduces how much you care about making those mistakes."

http://www.news-medical.net...

That's how I always figured it. People still know what they're doing.. they're just more apt to say F*ck it.
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9/16/2011 2:25:35 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
false. you've clearly never blacked out.
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9/16/2011 3:31:30 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/16/2011 2:25:35 AM, bluesteel wrote:
false. you've clearly never blacked out.

I have a higher tolerance than that. I've drank to the point of throwing up multiple times, yet was still able to walk around and talk, no black out.
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9/16/2011 3:48:00 AM
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I haven't ever got drunk but the way I see it, research suggests that alcohol can impair your brain functioning making it run slower.
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9/17/2011 2:28:14 AM
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Well blacking out definitely reduces your awareness of mistakes.
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9/17/2011 12:38:05 PM
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Well, you know, and then certain people will just make up sh!t if they even smell alcohol on you. You know, those @ssholes who have a moral crusade against the stuff, and believe that the ends justify the means.

I really don't care for people who make up sh!t when they are around you, and then make it like you couldn't possibly know that what they are saying isn't true, because you are drunk.....

....After you've had 2 beers.... ಠ.ಠ

Oh no, but certainly, alcohol does help you give less of a fvck. In fact, I wrote a song called "I don't give a fvck" after drinking a 6 pack.

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9/19/2011 4:36:18 AM
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At 9/17/2011 2:28:14 AM, bluesteel wrote:
Well blacking out definitely reduces your awareness of mistakes.

Do you mean passing out, or do you mean memory loss?
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9/19/2011 5:45:59 AM
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At 9/16/2011 2:25:35 AM, bluesteel wrote:
false. you've clearly never blacked out.

Just b/c you don't remember it happening Later doesn't mean you weren't aware of it While it was happening.
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9/19/2011 11:41:46 PM
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At 9/19/2011 5:45:59 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 9/16/2011 2:25:35 AM, bluesteel wrote:
false. you've clearly never blacked out.

Just b/c you don't remember it happening Later doesn't mean you weren't aware of it While it was happening.

this. also i thought everyone knew that alcohol reduces inhibitions? thats what its famous for after all...
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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9/19/2011 11:49:52 PM
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At 9/19/2011 11:41:46 PM, belle wrote:
At 9/19/2011 5:45:59 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 9/16/2011 2:25:35 AM, bluesteel wrote:
false. you've clearly never blacked out.

Just b/c you don't remember it happening Later doesn't mean you weren't aware of it While it was happening.

this. also i thought everyone knew that alcohol reduces inhibitions? thats what its famous for after all...

I have blacked out. I cannot claim to be aware, but I know that I have no recollection of that time period. Based on first hand witnesses, I have done some things I would not do sober. Hmmm... Which is the real me?
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9/19/2011 11:53:48 PM
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At 9/19/2011 11:49:52 PM, gavin.ogden wrote:
At 9/19/2011 11:41:46 PM, belle wrote:
At 9/19/2011 5:45:59 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 9/16/2011 2:25:35 AM, bluesteel wrote:
false. you've clearly never blacked out.

Just b/c you don't remember it happening Later doesn't mean you weren't aware of it While it was happening.

this. also i thought everyone knew that alcohol reduces inhibitions? thats what its famous for after all...

I have blacked out. I cannot claim to be aware, but I know that I have no recollection of that time period. Based on first hand witnesses, I have done some things I would not do sober. Hmmm... Which is the real me?

i used to be an extremely heavy drinker lol and i've thought about this alot. i think your inhibitions are a part of you... for example, not behaving like a retard (as many drunk people seem to have no problem doing :P).... i think thats the "real me". i also think that being shy is, in a sense, the "real me" although there are other aspects of me separate from that that may come out more when i am drunk. your drunk self is a distorted version of you because some aspects are knocked out, and others are overemphasized. at least thats my understanding. sorry if you weren't looking for a rant, i've had a bit of wine :P
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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9/21/2011 3:56:47 PM
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I have interacted with enough blacked out people and have done it enough myself to tell you that you are not aware of what you are doing. People do things and act in ways they never would if remotely sober. Blacking out is not "forgetting" something you've done; it's its own unique state of inebriation where you have literally lost awareness of what you are doing, but somehow manage to still function. When someone is blacked out and belligerent, it's actually pretty scary since they don't seem to recognize their friends as friends.
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9/21/2011 4:04:10 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/19/2011 5:45:59 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 9/16/2011 2:25:35 AM, bluesteel wrote:
false. you've clearly never blacked out.

Just b/c you don't remember it happening Later doesn't mean you weren't aware of it While it was happening.

That can't be proven either way though, can it?
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9/21/2011 7:20:35 PM
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I completely agree with bluesteel's assessment.

However Ore_Ele is probably right in that it can not be proven.
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Danielle
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9/21/2011 7:22:10 PM
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Actually I don't think it matters if it can be proven or whatever. I agree that while you're blacked out drunk you really "are not yourself" insofar as not consciously aware of your actions; the inebriation is too great. This, of course, is different than just being really drunk.
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9/21/2011 8:58:18 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/21/2011 3:56:47 PM, bluesteel wrote:
I have interacted with enough blacked out people and have done it enough myself to tell you that you are not aware of what you are doing. People do things and act in ways they never would if remotely sober. Blacking out is not "forgetting" something you've done; it's its own unique state of inebriation where you have literally lost awareness of what you are doing, but somehow manage to still function. When someone is blacked out and belligerent, it's actually pretty scary since they don't seem to recognize their friends as friends.

I've lost a night before.. and my friends got me back ok, and didn't say I acted out of character.. though I'm sure I acted differently than I do when sober.

However Certainly awareness of What's going on broadly does diminish as you get progressively intoxicated.. For example there was a story recently of some olympic athlete who, while on a flight, ended up getting out of his seat to walk down the aisle and pee on a young girl thinking he was at the restroom..

This I can see happening.. However... he was still Aware of what he Thought he was doing.. he gettin up to go pee.. he just wasn't (fully) aware of what was around him.. you know.. the details...

This happens as you get progressively drunk... but from all that I can tell you're still aware of Acting.. your disposition, and ability, to pay attention to what's going on around you diminishes
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9/21/2011 10:10:16 PM
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At 9/21/2011 8:58:18 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
This I can see happening.. However... he was still Aware of what he Thought he was doing.. he gettin up to go pee.. he just wasn't (fully) aware of what was around him.. you know.. the details...

So someone who sleep walks knows what they're doing? I say he was probably on auto-pilot. His body physically reacted to him having to pee, i.e. attempting to do so in the bathroom, but he "wasn't aware" of his surroundings or what he was doing exactly. He was only aware that he had to pee. Even then it could have been a fleeting thought. I dunno, I think the semi-awareness that occurs is not really enough to be called 'aware' per se. But how did this convo even come up again? :P
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9/21/2011 10:11:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/15/2011 2:49:01 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"...alcohol doesn't reduce your awareness of mistakes - it reduces how much you care about making those mistakes."

Oh yeah, the OP. I don't really agree with this if you're blacked out, like I said. But it's true for people who are just ballsy and drunk or who have lowered inhibitions while drunk. People also like to rely on the "I was so drunk" excuse. So annoying.
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9/21/2011 10:40:18 PM
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At 9/21/2011 8:58:18 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 9/21/2011 3:56:47 PM, bluesteel wrote:
I have interacted with enough blacked out people and have done it enough myself to tell you that you are not aware of what you are doing. People do things and act in ways they never would if remotely sober. Blacking out is not "forgetting" something you've done; it's its own unique state of inebriation where you have literally lost awareness of what you are doing, but somehow manage to still function. When someone is blacked out and belligerent, it's actually pretty scary since they don't seem to recognize their friends as friends.

I've lost a night before.. and my friends got me back ok, and didn't say I acted out of character.. though I'm sure I acted differently than I do when sober.

Fights, peeing where you shouldn't, breaking stuff, and sleeping with someone you really otherwise wouldn't - those seem to be the main things people do.

A lot of blacked out people are pretty subdued, since many are about to pass out. But often caffeine (red bull vodkas, or jager bombs) makes for some crazy blacked out people.

We lost track of one of my friends once when he blacked out on New Years. I thought he was passed out in the hotel room, went to the bathroom, next thing I knew he was gone. I chased him out of the hotel, but he managed to lose me. He shows up 6 hours later, having lost his phone, and with some story about a limo full of hot girls who gave him a ride... I guess it could have been worse.

Another blacked out friend ran away and almost jumped into a taxi 4 blocks away from the club, except we managed to chase him down.

I have to say the weirdest thing is when you partially black out but remember certain snippets because you're not really in any sort of control of what you're doing, but you can kind of remember what you were thinking at the time later. Like this one time I thought I was hooking up with the Tri-Delt president, only to find out an hour later, when I somehow came out of my blacked out state, that it was in fact a girl that looked somewhat like her, but not really.

I basically only remember two things from that one hour time block. Meeting the president of Tri-Delt, and then a quick flash, some time later, of one of my friends telling me to not hook up with her, and I'm like, "dude, she's the president of Tri-Delt, she's hot." And then that's the last thing I remember for quite awhile.

Obviously, it was two different girls, but I got confused, since my brain only really remembered meeting the president of the sorority.
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9/21/2011 10:46:32 PM
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At 9/21/2011 10:11:40 PM, Danielle wrote:
At 9/15/2011 2:49:01 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"...alcohol doesn't reduce your awareness of mistakes - it reduces how much you care about making those mistakes."

Oh yeah, the OP. I don't really agree with this if you're blacked out, like I said. But it's true for people who are just ballsy and drunk or who have lowered inhibitions while drunk. People also like to rely on the "I was so drunk" excuse. So annoying.

Yeah I hate that excuse. My friend blacked out once and tackled me on pavement, and tried to wrestle me, until I managed to pin him to the ground. He skinned my knee, ripped my favorite jeans, and broke my favorite bracelet. I was SOOOOO pissed I didn't think I would ever forgive him, and I was just waiting the next morning for him to be like, "oh sorry, I was drunk" and then I was determined not to forgive him and say that was a pathetic excuse.

But I get up the next morning and his wrist is all swollen (turns out its broken), he has this FAT, horrible, pus-y scrape on his face, and he just looks soooo pathetic, and asks "what happened last night" that I somehow couldn't stay mad at him.
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